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WaCKy-Angel
post Apr 9 2023, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 9 2023, 11:45 PM)
There is a reason why such plans are not sold to individuals due to its non-sustainable business model. Individuals who apply for it normally abuse it with unnecessary claims or sickly people who has a very high claim ratio.

There are many plans like this that has withdrawn in 1 - 2 years time in the past as they simply didn't last though the pilot phase.

The withdrawal clause is there to pull the plug should there be such a problem.

Missed out your last question

Yes there is. But more catered for VIPs with better benefits.
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Why corporate plan is sustainable though?
How much is the premium for corporate plan btw?

WaCKy-Angel
post Apr 10 2023, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Apr 10 2023, 09:44 AM)
I think corporate plans means companies that cover their employees and dependents for outpatient and GP, but utilise insurance company management to execute it.

Obviously it is a pure loss making scheme as it is just an expense for the companies to bear as a benefit for their employees.
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Yea. But the question was why insurance companies accepts corporate medical cards (w/wo dependant) for GP but insurance companies dont provide the same for personal medical cards?
Im sure many abuse it as well.

Is it because corporate medical card higher premium?

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 10 2023, 09:54 AM)
At least most companies have insurance for their staff. Mine had none (pay and claim first). Typical Chinaman company.
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I think different way for company to report their earnings. If pay and claim is consider expenses thus can be tax deductible? Ayam not accountant so ayam not sure.

Ayam partner company gives RM2500 claimable limit inclusive of dental/spec/medical.

I dont supposed corporate medical card costs that much no?
WaCKy-Angel
post Aug 30 2023, 03:54 PM

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Just got to know my son insurance auto debit was not successful for the past 8 months.

Its a medical card btw.
So it was deducting from the cash value until now.

The agent has been asking me to "topup" back the missed payments and when i ask is it OK not to topup the answer was no issue just that now no more cash value.

So im wondering is it really necessary to topup the missed payment?
Especially since its a medical card it wouldnt make any difference to the coverage isn't that right?

Pls do enlighten me if got any necessary to topup.
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post Aug 30 2023, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Aug 30 2023, 04:16 PM)
Hush hush. You just "discovered" the secret feature of ILP. Answer is as long as the Medical Card portion can deduct the fees from somewhere, no change in your coverage.

So just make sure the card is feed every month.
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Yes i know about it, just want to double confirm.

QUOTE(adele123 @ Aug 30 2023, 04:23 PM)
You double check your contract. If there is no consequence missed payment or there is no reward to payment on time, you dont have to do it.
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Just wonder when insurance companies revise the premium for medical card it does not change anything for my case right?

I mean i wont be targeted specifically for premium increase just because cash value is low.
But rather premium revision affect all the policy holder for the same plan.
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post Aug 30 2023, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Aug 30 2023, 04:57 PM)
Since your investment portion is drained, very likely it will not be able to sustain the plan until maturity and they will ask you to increase premium.
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It's just projected value with clause allowing them to suka hati increase premium any how so i will not bother about that excuse.

Furthermore Medical Card benefits/claimable amount/new diseases may be insufficient or need addon which eventually the existing plan no longer worthy compare to buying a new plan.

For eg. My previous medical card annual limit is 500K but now newer plans all bo annual limit. Its not even possible to addon rider to get unlimited annual limit or have to pay more to retain existing plan for the same benefit.

So with above these reasons i dont really see a need why i must be afraid "cannot sustain" because seems like future newer plans sounds more promising i dont need to purpose by hook or crook must keep this plan.

Btw the insured is only 5 years old ya. If insured is 60 years old probably different story
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post Aug 31 2023, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Aug 30 2023, 06:23 PM)
The premium "revision", in case you didn't notice, is only a suggestion, regardless of what insurance agents say. So you can choose to follow/disregard, or you can decide to make a big lump sum contribution later in your life to so called top up the "buffer" in the investment portion. The latter is my plan, as currently my investment portion is already bigger than my life assured notional (I just use it as a gauge: ie the surrender value of my plan is greater than my life assured).
So I just continue paying the usual monthly payment via auto-debit to my CC.

Now for the premium revision, it is on a pool basis (the specific medical plan you are on) and not supposed to target any individual person of the pool. The pricing is based on the pool.

(this part is just the devil in me thinking. There are other ways to target you: like rejecting you when you get hospitalized by claiming all sorts of story. So there is no reason logically to target extra 100 rm premium from just you to improve profit. This part is all conjecture on my part and I brought it up just for casual discussion).
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Afaik some insurance does not force premium increase but Prudential definitely does.

QUOTE(gogocan @ Aug 31 2023, 07:19 AM)
PRUBSN already sent notification for premium increase..i think this is the 3rd time since i took the plan in 2011.

2011 - RM 200
2018 - RM 215
2021 - RM 251
2023 - RM 278

Tell u insurance is a loss-proof business
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Ofcourse lah where got business lose one
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post Sep 3 2023, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Sep 3 2023, 09:18 AM)
Critical illness coverage purpose mainly is to cover expenses when you are diagnosed with an illness and is unable to work. Imagine you cannot work and you have bills to pay, this is there the critical illness coverage comes in handy, and usually it comes in a lump sum. Please do check if it covers early stage critical illness. If it only covers late stage critical illness, no point getting it.

So it really depends on how much your monthly spending is, what your commitments are, and use all those information to calculate how much coverage you need. Some people just take their monthly salary and multiply by the number of months for easier calculation. The higher coverage you purchase, the more expensive the plan gets. Hence you need to strike a balance.

On the plan swap, tbh I wouldn’t do that unless I really need to. If I really need the additional coverage I would just purchase a new plan. However, I can’t really give any advice without knowing your actual situation.
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Ayam always confused whether can claim 2 policies or not as u say not enough coverage buy new plan.
CI can claim more than 1?
What about Permanent Disability can claim more than 1?
And Life?

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post Sep 3 2023, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 3 2023, 03:53 PM)
Recommended coverage is around 3-5x your annual salary. If you want more kiasu then 10x your annual salary (more expensive). You can actually DIY your own critical illness illness yourself too.

Depends on how you see important or not. If you lose your job or need go for prolong leave because of your illness, can you afford it?

Don't bother about AIA critical illness. Expensive for the same coverage and lower payout.
Take a look at Singlife Insurance
Some recommended ones are
Singlife Multipay
-only critical illness with coverage for all stage of cancer and even cover cancer relapse
Singlife elite
-it have life, tpd, basic critical illness or + early critical illness rider
Downside is you need to travel down to Singapore to sign the documents and it's priced in SGD. But way cheaper than what AIA offer. I will give you one example.
AIA quote me RM500k coverage with early critical illness included and it cost RM14k/year
I got same coverage from singlife for RM7k/year and it have multiplier.

Keep in mind you don't need to cover until 70 years old. You just need to cover until you retire. The longer you choose to cover the more expensive it is.

Also keep in mind for critical illness if your ill doesn't meet certain definition, you won't get paid out. One example is heart attack. If you have heart attack and your angiogram is only 67% block, you won't get paid out cause the definition required paid out is min 70% (this is real life example told to me by my agent).

Also, basic critical illness is very cheap Vs early critical illness. The more early critical illness coverage you get, the more expensive it is. Something to think about.
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Singapork insurance? Not hard to claim later?
They sell to non-sg ppl?
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post Sep 5 2023, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Sep 5 2023, 10:52 AM)
Wanna ask a typical critical illness insurance does not have death benefit right? Eg if the policy states that must survive 30 days to be eligible for claim, and the person dies at day 29, he and the beneficiary will receive nothing right?
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It means u cant claim death benefit within 30 days of policy inception.

If pure CI i think no death benefit but some may give abit sweet of very low amount like 10K. Refer to policy schedule to clear doubt.
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post Sep 5 2023, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 5 2023, 10:59 AM)
Some critical illness come bundle with death benefit. Don't la look for 30 days survivability. Look for those 14-15 days survival period.

If your insurance does not have death benefit, then yeah nothing.
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I think that is pretty standard for MY company i guess.
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post Sep 11 2023, 11:21 PM

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AIA Flex PA does it cover death due to Covid?

I see the policy wording mentioned SARS and MERS-CoV but did not mention Covid.
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post Sep 12 2023, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 11 2023, 11:54 PM)
In the brochure, covid not in the list of 23 disease that they cover.

Keep in mind it's a PA policy. Means they cover accident only. Infectious disease is not an accident. It just that they happen to offer some benefits that cover some infectious disease.
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Yea im aware its accident only.

Just wonder for policies that covers Covid does it mention specifically CoV-19 in the covered list?

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post Sep 13 2023, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Sep 13 2023, 05:49 PM)
Great Eastern Life Insurance.

Which is the best & convenient method to surrender?

I called their customer service line, keep listening to music.

Anyone has experience of surrendering GE pls help?
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Call your agent should be fastest way.

Or livechat/email
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post Oct 3 2023, 01:18 PM

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Hi ayam back again with the prob with Prudential.

Chronological story.
Auto debit was not succesful, last successful payment was on Dec 2022
Only noticed it on Aug 2023 coz receive pre-lapse notification.

So i login portal and made 1 month payment, and enroll auto debit again successful.
That was Sept 2023 so 1 month payment was done and on the same month auto debited 1 month payment as well
(So total made 2 months payment)

Fast forward few days ago receive lapse notification again.
So i just called Prudential and the person advised to make atleast 3 months payment so it wont lapse again.

What ayam confused is if there are no payment made, the premium will still be paid using available cash value right?
Once cash value finished then policy will lapse right?

And i made 2 months payment it is still not enough to keep the policy going?
Assuming i dont mind cash value to be depleted.

How do i find out how much i need to pay to keep the policy without lapse?

Btw the policy is PruWith You
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post Oct 3 2023, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 3 2023, 01:28 PM)
I think all insurance online website got write there amount needed to pay? I know AIA, GE have.

One way I do, pay lump sum every year so you no need to worry about payment not made.

Alternatively if lump sum too much, make manual payment on first of every month. That is what I am doing for my other bills and credit card. I manually pay one by one. No auto deductions for me.

If the  policy is very old need to do top-up cause no more cash left. Usually they got write there sustainability until xyz year. Cash value how much.
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Yes i can see how much is the monthly premium and overdue (is that correct term?) but if ayam going to pay for all the missed payment month that means cash value will be increased again.
I dont need the cash value as i can generate higher return from elsewhere.

Policy is not old..just 4 years old.

QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Oct 3 2023, 01:30 PM)
check whats the balance/value of the investment pot of your ILP....  from what I understand, as long as it is still positive and with sufficient amount, your policy is still in effect.
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That is the problem. Dont know how to check or its not available from online portal.
Even ask for statement of account also susah need policy holder to contact them (ayam 1 of the joint payor and my name is in the system)



Monthly payment is RM173 and the Prudential CS says only the monthly premium was deducted from the cash value up until now it lapsed.

What i want is i do not need the cash value.
I just want to continue make monthly payment. Is that not possible?

This post has been edited by WaCKy-Angel: Oct 3 2023, 01:39 PM
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post Oct 3 2023, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Oct 3 2023, 01:44 PM)
Just to share my experience, not with PRU but with GE.

Last year I remove auto debit on my GE ILP and let it deduct from the investment value for one whole year until I terminated it and get back the remaining balance. Didn't receive any lapse notification and the policy is still in-force until it's terminated manually. My agent told me the policy will stay in-force as long as the value is enough to pay the premium.
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Yeap that should be how it works.
But now seems like its "insufficient" to keep the policy in force even after i paid 2 months premium.

QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Oct 3 2023, 01:46 PM)
Try throwing like 1K rm (since your monthly payment is supposed to be 173rm). It could be timing issue/how their batch system run to check if there is enough funds or not.

But the worrying part is the phrase "lapsed". You better call the CS or agent to double confirm that your ILP is still "alive" and in effect.
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But that is what exactly i do not want to do.
I dont need cash value.
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post Oct 3 2023, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 3 2023, 01:57 PM)
Check with customer service does your insurance have conditions that you need to pay for like 5 years or more then only you are allow a premium holiday. Since yours is only 4 years. Cause for the first and second year, >50% of what you pay goes to agent if am not wrong. So maybe that's why not enough cash value.
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Got such thing one ah? What is that term called?

If that case might as well i cancel policy and buy new policy? Dont think will have major claim so soon.

Btw PruWith You is all-in-one policy right? Got Life + Medical + CI ?
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post Oct 3 2023, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Oct 3 2023, 02:29 PM)
I genuinely think an ILP is not for you.
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Yes i think so too.

Could u explain more how it works?
As i know the investment portion is actually much higher than the premium for insurance maybe 70:30

So now since auto debit failed, that premium for insurance uses the cash value from investment portion right?

Is it im not allowed to let the investment portion to be 0 value and just continue monthly premium?
Meaning i have to pay back for all the missed payment?

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post Oct 3 2023, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Oct 3 2023, 02:40 PM)
Nope, that's not how ILP works.
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Means i have to topup back the missed payment?

If yes, better cancel and buy new policy lol
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post Oct 3 2023, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Oct 3 2023, 02:56 PM)
It's not about needing the cash value.
Cash in is into the fund or place holder. Medical card fee component take out from such fund or place holder. Hence why sometimes you can skip payment because the fund still have cash value to cover any missed payment. It's transparent to their process.

Sometimes, trying to optimize 100% takes too much effort, and we outsiders don't know exactly the internal process. Even agents most probably won't know.
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That is why i want to know now lol.

Even the PRU CS unable to answer my question "how much i need to topup to keep the policy in force" he just advise try min 3 months payment.

Being said that 3 months + 2 months i paid earlier, means the actual "missed payment" will be only 4 months if u get what i mean.

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