I start working in 2018. That year, no PCB tax deduction as my income just below the threshold to need pay tax.

In 2019, after increment, PCB deduction start. But I never filed returns for 2018 thinking I didn’t need to as I didn’t need to pay taxes.

In 2020, PCB deductions increase Liao. I wanted to file returns for YA 2019, but then I realised even if I file and claim some relief, I will get a couple of hundred only refund and was not worth the hassle.

In 2021, this year, I will definitely file returns for YA 2020. I have my efiling pin all sorted.

Question is, can I only start filing for 2020 and ignore previous years? It is not a case of cheating or anything. If anything LHDN would owe me money for refund due to relief claimed.

I didn’t have malicious intent, just the system seem too complicated in my initial years of working and I took things lightly.

Pls advise guys.

This post has been edited by contestchris: Jan 25 2021, 12:42 PM

> I realised even if I file and claim some relief, I will get a couple of hundred only refund and was not worth the hassle.


what kind of statement is that.

2020 filing can still declare previous undeclared year. just declare 2019 there.

you really don't wanna mess with lhdn

i think 2019.. u need to declare with physical form..
the eLHDN is only for 2020 if i am not mistaken.

its your duty to declare every year the moment you are require to declare. If you dont even want to claim the relief you still need to declare. You better go to lhdn and check with them which year before you need to declare if not later when they check you, then you get fine kaw kaw.

declare je.....seriously, dont wait until they come korek and saman you

the onus is on the individual to declare his/her income. you are given a chance to declare yourself but you didnt take it up. you can be penalised for not filing/filling incorrectly and so on, so you took the chances.

like what siewlee mentioned, do not mess with LHDN, you will end up in more pain than you do now (figuring out on how to declare your precedent income).

Thats why, whether or not you are or you will be paying taxes or not, you should start filing the moment you started working, this way, you reduce the chance of getting audit as you have come clean since day one.

What is my penalty?

And seriously I am such a small fish. Earn also barely. And I want to make things right. Not like I hiding also

As what other had advise. You don’t want to mess with lhdn.

Go to the branch you are assigned and check with the officer there and do bring all your paperwork. Ea forms, pay slips and such.

My question is, can I file for YA2020?

Will system force me to fill for previous years?

If I get questioned I will answer honestly. That I’m not worried.

Just remember that there are 2 things in life you cannot escape.

1 is TAX

2 is DEATH

It is not your rights to say not worth the hassle. It is something you need to do as a citizen.

as long as your salary is low, no worry

just will get warning from LHDN because didnt open account

Of course you can start filing for 2020 and ignore previous years. Its your choice. But the correct question is would LHDN ignore your previous years? The answer is no.

Fret not, LHDN won't trouble you much as they probably think you are not worth the hassle as well. They probably just calculate whatever your previous years amount would be, slapped you with whatever penalty for not paying on time and demand for payment within a stipulated timeframe. As simple as that.

If I file for 2019 now, will they provide me a refund for the relief?

2019 sudah tutup la.. Just declare for 2020. Even if they kacau you, which I doubt because you're small fish, it will be penalty only. Low income is LHDN worst enemy

It depends on the amount of the relief and the penalty imposed on you. LHDN will offset it. If the relief amount is higher than the penalty, yes, they will provide the refund.

Its troublesome later on when u want to purchase home, credit cards or get loans for business. u have no track of records

What’s the current penalty like? Any idea?

And if I file for 2019 now, how long before I get my refund and pay my penalty?

I’m salaried. So far no issue. Got cc and house loan. Car loan also will be approved soon. Usually they need payslip, epf, bank statement is enough.

GG la

300% penalty.

2019 and 2018 ada SVDP, and discount lagi

I think there's a 10% penalty for late submission and additional 5% if still not paid after 2 months.

Call LHDN or check their website.

Is this your only source of income and have worked with the same employer in this same tax year? Then go google MTD as final tax

Late filing also charged 500 MYR already.
And don't think u small fish they will forget.
If 500myr for late charge, if 20k ppl file it late, easy get 10mil MYR.

Can get fined from 200-2k with jail penalty.
You honestly say I lazy to file taxes. But when you going to court you will be labelled as avoiding tax.

How can be avoiding tax? I have legally paid my tax. I have not legally filed my tax returns. Is different If I never pay at all. That is bad

Doesnt matter you pay or not, youre compulsory to do the filing, definitely gonna kena penalty, around 40% I think

Why everyone say different number for penalty?

There is a page for undeclared tax of previous year.just fill in your 2020 b form. Then the IR will get back to you to ask you for clarification.

they will query you how u are able to buy all these and why didnt you declare your income. its not so simple

Just file your 2020 income this year. If LHDN wants you to file your 2019 income then do it. At most there will be a small fine for late filing. It's no big deal. Stop worrying about it.

TS, if u choose to declare previous years other than YA2020, u will have penalty for late submission. Think twice

maybe someone can report this thread to lhdn and lhdn rep will show you how you're going to be punished?

I have not declare my income for more than 10 years! and i didnt submit my BE Tax form to LHDN as well. My job was not stable ( changed about 10 jobs ! ) for the past 15 years, and my salary was like 3k per month.
My last job ( about 2 years ), company paid EPF under my name.

Now i am jobless again and thinking of register a company for some small side income. ( repairing electrical goods ).

Anyone can advise will i go into trouble for the above situation ?
BTW, i am now 57 yo and considered retired now.
TQ bro, sis....

2025 then they will ask about 2019 filing. Have to spend few thou to settle it. Good luck

No problem taking out epf?

Even if you your income does not need to pay income tax, just file it.... it is good for documentation purposes... save you a lot of hassle and also make you money savvy....

As long as you remain poor, lhdn got no time for you. It takes some red flags for them to even take notice of you. For example if your new business suddenly boom and makes alot money then they will take interest because you now have money to pay. Otherwise they won't be bothered to put manpower on someone who's penalty and collection can't even cover time and resources spent.

EPF and LHDN have nothing to do with each other.

If i perform an e filling this year, will LHDN backcharge me or penalty me ?

Do i need to update my account back to normal ?

Any idea ? Tks..

Didn't kwspnneed the tax clearance for withdrawing at 55?

Better file it now. If they found out that time too late.

In my case, what difference does it make if I file or don’t file previous years?

Either way, I kena penalty right? Doesn’t look I can escape that.

This post has been edited by contestchris: Jan 26 2021, 01:29 PM

Better settle it now then later. 2019 and 2020 documents needed for now. If later years LHDN inquiry, 2025 maybe. All document from 2025 to 2019 will be asked.

Back charge automatically happens when you try to file on any year but the current.

many ppl have this wrong impression:

"oh my income is not enough to be taxed, so I don't need to file income tax."

you are supposed to file as long as you have a source of income.

Guys, I have just filed in my first ever tax return!

I filed for 2017. That year I didn't pay PCB tax and memang pun when input in the system, zero tax. Didn't get bonus also. So was just my basic pay.

For 2018 and 2019, I need to check EA form for the exact income (with bonus) and tax paid. So will file tomorrow for that.

So far, I can submit without issue. Was not asked about penalty.

For 2018, I have filled in the form provisionally. The system records that I had paid around RMxxx in taxes. But after my pelepasan, memang zero tax. Yet to submit as I need to verify the details.

For 2019 curiously, the system DOES NOT CAPTURE my PCB tax payment. It says zero tax paid.

How come yeah?

Either human/system error or your company didn't pay to LHDN.

Actually LHDN eLejar did capture my PCB payments.

But somehow in the e-BE doesn't capture.

I've now submitted all from 2017 to 2019 tax returns. Feels like a proper grown up.

And best part is, I will get RM600+ tax refund.

Government is paying me to file my tax!

How long before I get my refund?

You are young and single, we all know that feeling, all mls nak bt if its too complicated, have the same exp but only for the year when i started to work, year after that and beyond, i file all my taxes even if i can't claimed it back, since if you got audited and fined, you will pay even more.

so please contact lhdn and file all your taxes after this, if you are a gov servant, they will look into your account starting from your lapor diri year, so be prepare for that too, you will be fined if they found out the missing tax filing.

Lucky in their system got proof payment came in if not really headache, have to proof to them you pay and company pay.

Before covid era should be around 2 weeks to 1 month for refund. Now don't know la. Congrate, my friend declare from 2007 until 2018, even though got tax refund every years still have to pay LHDN because of fine. Hahahaa. Lucky you no need to pay anything and get money.

This post has been edited by Noryume: Jan 26 2021, 09:11 PM

Good to hear that, was posting my reply same time as you, so please ignore that 1, refund should take around 2-4 weeks? if i remember correctly

Guys, do I need to pay penalty or not?

Paragraph 103 of the ITA 1967 says as such:

(3) Where any tax due and payable under subsection (1) has not been paid by the due date, so much of the tax as is unpaid upon the expiration of that date shall without any further notice being served be increased by a sum equal to ten per cent of the tax so unpaid, and that sum shall be recoverable as if it were tax due and payable under this Act.

(4) Where the tax due and payable has been increased under subsection (3), any balance remaining unpaid upon the expiration of sixty days from the due date shall without any further notice being served be further increased by a sum equal to five per cent of the balance unpaid, and that sum shall be recoverable as if it were tax due and payable under this Act.

http://www.hasil.gov.my/bt_goindex.php?bt_...equ=11&bt_lgv=2

http://www.hasil.gov.my/bt_goindex.php?bt_...sequ=7&bt_lgv=2

Since in my case I actually paid my taxes, simply did not file the returns (which I have now done on my own volition without them chasing after me), does this mean no fine for me?

Had a few friends with the same issue. Mainly because they didnt know need to declare income tax. And mind you, these ppl are earning 15-20k+ monthly. I think our schools failed us by not even educating on such basic stuff

Good news is, LHDN wont bother you. As long as you pay quite a sum of income tax and you never declare, means they get to keep your tax refund. In these cases, it’s almost a win-win situation for them.

Anyway, these friends of mine managed to find someone to help them out. This lady helped them declare all the previous years income tax, as long as you kept a record of all your ea forms or salary slips (from when you started working). Once she files for you, lhdn will start processing your tax refunds (starting from previous years till to date). Most of the time, the penalty will be taken out of your final tax refund. If your income tax is not enough, then you’d have to pay.

One of them was earning about 20k+ a month and working for 10 years+, never filed once. No issues there because lhdn gets to keep all his tax refunds. Once he started filling, he managed to get a tax refund of almost rm13k+ back (after deducting penalties).

Edit: cause i didnt read all the comments. No, you will not get fined. Good job though!

This post has been edited by borgeouisbella: Jan 27 2021, 12:37 AM

my friend kena almost 10k for not declaring income tax. cannot remember for how many years. small fish only.

don't be so happy with tax return. make sure u fill up the form CORRECTLY. i kena penalty almost 1.5k in 2018 for a mistake i did in YA2014 & YA2016 tax filing.

Will they penalise if you merely filed late, but the tax was indeed paid? That is my question. The Income Tax Act 1967 is worded in a way where the penalty is for late tax payment, not for late tax filing.

Can someone pls confirm?

Have you considered the "MTD as final tax" option?

Iirc, yes, but the amount is small, they’ll take it out of your already paid tax. Otherwise they’ll just add that sum to your elejar and take it out of your tax refunds next year. No worries.

paid already they cant penalty you. just that you no file then you cant apply tax relief only and receive tax refund for overpay. but make sure company reli paid it also. if they late pay also you kena.

hi all sifus, hopeful to get an answer for my situation.
i have been working as a seafarer on foreign going ships for the past 10 years.
company is based in Singapore.
haven't declare any income tax since i started working as i was told back dont have to pay income tax when i started.
however now having trouble applying for loans.
was thinking to get a pin number
maybe could ease on loan approval.
how can i explain if LHDN ask where i have been for the past 10 years?
could anyone advice if i should bother creating a pin.
or how should i proceed?
thanks you in advance for your insights.

What is your purpose of buying a property ?

Do you need the property ? Need and want are different.

Is renting not an option ? It could be cheaper and flexible.

Are you still with the current co ?

Sometimes, ownership is false security.

understand that part about property.
probably just to have my own home.
i think that should be in a different thread.

as for company, i would say no.
company is bought over by french co.
but then agency that manage us is singapore co.
hope you can understand the complications.

Creating a pin doesnt auto you qualify for a loan. Banks now look at epf as well as they know income declaration can be forged.

No credit history is not better than bad credit history..

You might need to work locally for few years to qualify as banks wants to see local income.

Work for year and submit your tax and epf. See how it goes from there.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Jun 6 2021, 01:48 PM

They also can check your epf contributions to see if you are truthful.
Just fill in the part to declare undeclared income and they will inform you about the amount to pay

ok so lets take the loan out of the question.
how about avoiding a letter from LHDN
it seems like most of the time when receiving letter from LHDN.
its not a happy thing.
so i think i just want to avoid paying extra from whatever i required to.

You cannot take the loan out of the question. If you dont buy a property and take a loan lhdn wont know you have money.

Only when you start spending on big items like car or property, then you be noticed.

That is why I ask earlier whether you need the property ?

ok understood. big items. so if i just put my wife name and buy a house.
then maybe she will be audited.
i think definitely sooner or later i would need a house for my family.
cant be renting all the way.
im not sure about your opinion/idea on owning a house/having a family.

Your situation to own a house is different from many others earning a local income.

If you want to buy using your spouse's name, is no issue if she is currently also earning an income. It also depends on how much is the property and the amount of loan. If she is a housewife, then is no different from your situation.

I am not saying buying property for the family is bad. Is the situation that you are facing. If you can take the bull by the horn, go ahead.

I am just sharing my opinion. Hopefully others will response and have better options.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Jun 7 2021, 01:13 PM

Hi, I have the same issue, seafarer as well for the past 9 years and counting. I have been filing income tax for 2 years now and all i do is put 0 on all column as we are not under the taxable group. I heard from my friend that we dont even need to file for it until we started to earn taxable income.

Speaking of house loan for seafarer, I’m also researching on it and come to know that my seafarer friend manage to buy property, and get loan approved with payslip and bank statement. It’s good to TT back money every month so that you have record of “stable income”. They dont have any problem with LHDN.

If you can get a credit card, go get it to prove your credit record, good for future if you need to get a bank loan. I tried to get credit card before but got rejected when they know I don’t have EPF…. Even you throw money to their face also they dont accept. Unless you know some banker or some banker who is knowledgeable of seafarer condition which is very rare in Malaysia.

As long a tax payer has no income for the assessment year, all he does is similar to you ... write zeros in all boxes.

LHDN wont know is zero income or non taxable group since is self assessment/declaration.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Jul 4 2021, 10:16 AM

Can please close this thread. My issue settled earlier this year.

This post has been edited by contestchris: Jul 4 2021, 02:54 PM