Total War games have strong single player campaigns that you can play for a long time. The AI is just a small part of it. It is an empire building game too. Not just straight RTS.

That is why I think that the multilayer campaign map is a good move but still I do not know how are they going to implement it. AI is still no match for humans in planning, strategy and trickery. Would really like to see how 2 humans can fight and rule their empire.

Ok,thanks.

I'll probably get this game then.Need to find the date for the open beta to test drive the game a bit.

I also most of the times never play online but I never regretted buying the Total Wars yet yar, the single player is pretty nice.

I loved how in the medival you unlocked smaller factions after finishing the game the first time, gave it a lots of replay value as some of the races had really different units and buildings.

Too bad they do not have my fav faction the mongols completed.

I like the fire power that the mongols brought from China.

This post has been edited by fujkenasai: Jan 13 2009, 12:56 PM

Dude, Mongols only around early 1200s lah. And no, it wasn't from China entirely. You must understand that when the Mongols invading Europe, those groups weren't the ones who came from China. More like people from the steppes, crushing Abbasid and Khwarezmian kingdoms before going into Europe. Most technologies they brought to Europe were from those fallen kingdoms instead of China. That's just a little bit history for you.

Empire Total War is around the 18th centuries. The time where China already declined in its power.

Err he was talking about Mediaval total war 2, and there was an incomplete mongol faction in that game, and I was replying to his post.

So you are saying that the cannons that they brought to Europe were from the steppes? Mongols never came from China they originated from mongolia ofcourse.

Thankyou teacher Dark Steno for your lesson.

Nice,it should keep me entertained if i dont have internet connection then.

Keep in mind I am not sure about this new version but if they do it like the previous versions (which should be if they are smart) then I do not think you will get bored with the game too soon

The origin of cannon is unclear though. Despite Chinese being the first who found gunpowder, it is unsure who actually proposed the idea of putting a big rounded metal into a tube where the tube then ignited to launch the rounded metal onto the target. There's a dispute about who actually using the cannon first; Mongols or Arabs? In fact, the recorded battle of the first usage of cannon was between Mongols and Mamluks that happened not far from Jerusalem. Even if its true that it were Mongols who brought the weapon to the battle, I believed the weapon was taken from the fallen kingdoms that stood along the path of the marauding Mongol armies. I don't really think that Mongols were that capable of doing things back then as they're being expansionists and aggressive. Of course, there's claim that it was Chinese who used a new weapon such as that but no physical evidence over that matter except something that proved to be a hundred years later than what the Arabs-Mongols did and also an account on historical journal.

Does it include Medival Total War?

If thats true,i think i'll love this game.

Well no matter who acctually started the use of cannons, in the game M2TW if Im not mistaken I think that the mongols had the biggest guns and rocket barrage weapons, thats why I wanted to play that faction but then again they do not have a complete faction. Such as no buiding structures and stuff.

Each new version was an improvement of the previous ones. Of course people will have their own favourite due to the historical time period etc...So I have no doubt Empire will improve the gameplay dynamics of the series.

Did they have that feature in shogun total war too?

What feature? You mean gun powder ah? Gun powder was available in Shogun Total War late game as Dutch expeditions set up missions in Japan and introduced Arquebusiers...well not so late game...more like mid game. You couldn't use them at all in rain...which was cool

PS : The expansion pack for Shogun was Mongol Invasion...So Mongols were there in total war games way back. They didn't have the rocket siege equipment...they had some sort of exploding grenade like thing.

EDIT : Historically a mongol invasion never happened...There was historical evidence of it being planned and even wreakages of invasion fleets of the coast of Japan...Some Japanese early writing cited intervention of the divine wind to help them stop that mongol invasions...



Source : http://www.taots.co.uk/content/view/25/30/

This post has been edited by frags: Jan 13 2009, 04:06 PM

That rocket barrage weapon was origin of Chinese. But it's not like what the game shows though. It's a multiple arrows launcher. In M2TW, the thing can destroy a stone wall (I tried it) but in reality, it's just a bunch of wooden arrows with metal tips that launched against the enemies.

Thus, the origin of Kamikaze appeared at that time. That grenade thing was naphta throwers (in M1TW, it was Naffatun).

Building Feature


European-style tenanted farms

Tenanted farms can only generate so much income from rents. With an increase in town size, and an increased demand from industry for agricultural products, it is more profitable to have herds of animals, not a gaggle of tenants. Meat and wool demand increases rapidly as towns grow. Apart from any other considerations, moving people off land also creates large areas where landowners can indulge a passion for hunting. While this generates little income, it does give social status.

The “Highland Clearances” are probably the most famous example of a forced change to land usage on a large scale. Contrary to popular belief, Highland clan leaders carried out most of the Scottish clearances, driving their own kinsmen and clans into exile. The chieftains needed to pay for the sophisticated life that they could have in Edinburgh and London by reinventing themselves as Scottish gentry. Sheep simply earned more money than the crofters did.

Sorry that Im being misleading. I mean the feature to unlock other factions after destroying them. BTW how many factions are there in shogun total war and did they have special formation like RTW?

I guess the invation did happen but they failed and failed badly. I saw a documentary shown by national geography saying that the mongol army was ill prepared as they were not trained for naval warfare, and that the ships that they used were used for rivers. The ships that was designed for sea were able to withstand the tsunami thats why the admiral's ships were able to return to Kublai Khan and report to him. In that documentrary they also blamed Kublai Khan for rushing his army to invade japan.

yeah, I find any type of machine in TW series is able to siege. Like Ballistas and Scorpions, but then in the description they are suppose to do massive damage to army.

This post has been edited by fujkenasai: Jan 14 2009, 01:19 PM

there are formations and such. actually factions and units are similar. because they're just a bunch of japanese with different clans.

There was only seven different factions. All unlocked of course. The whole Unlocking factions thing started in RTW...If I'm not mistaken. The original MTW had all factions playable...of course there was the minor factions that you couldn't play...like Kingdom of Aragorn etc...

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Added on January 14, 2009, 1:52 pmYeah all yari this or yari that...but some factions had bonuses to particular units...thats about the only thing unique about them other than faction colour.

MTW brought unique units to each faction.

This post has been edited by frags: Jan 14 2009, 01:52 PM