Dear all, as per PM’s speech today, are renovation works still allowed to be continued during PKP 2.0?

Regards.

I guess house renivation is not considered essentual economic sector...

This post has been edited by hakimnen: Jan 11 2021, 09:14 PM

But “pembinaan” = construction works is being defined as 1 of the 5 essential services in the text.

tomorrow the govt will provide more details on mco sop.

Last round MCO 1.0 what was the rule?

I'm also stuck. My house more than 90% completed. Dust everywhere.

Hopefully can finish it.

In early MCO 1.0, the house renovation works were stopped completely.

It resumed only around mid May and all workers were required to go for covid test before working.

Due to the policy confusion, some contractors chose to resume working only in early June.

I am stuck too....supposed to move in this Saturday. Renovation at cleaning stage now. Moving in allowed or not?

Looks like all house renovation works are not allowed..?
https://twitter.com/MOWorks/status/1348874350938574849?s=19

Does house renovation works fall under construction or service? I really hope they would allow house renovation cause we need to move in soon

If not mistaken, the pembinaan only applies to construction, as in incomplete projects construction can continue.
Own renovation wasn't allowed during MCO 1.0.
You will also need to check with your condo mgmt as well if you live in one.
They might not allow any renovation or move in.
Anyway, better wait for detailed SOPs from gov.

Is your contrator CIDB certified? If yes, they should know more than anyone else and they'll be responsible for everything.

Renovation cannot during MCO...

KKR official reply: can renovation

Only critical -

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/here...tial-businesses
B. Construction
Construction:
Critical maintenance and repair work
Major public infrastructure construction works, and
Construction works for buildings that provide complete accommodation at construction sites or workers housed in the Central Labour Quarters (CLQ).

Click that Twitter link & scroll read before anyhow correct me.

KKR official account say can. Unless you say KKR wrong.

Yes you are correct, according to the reply, home renovation is allowed subject to the renovation company/contractor applying via MITI first.

OK, sorry, didn't realize that comment - as i read the media release statement, it states in BM pembaikan rumah, so I assume it is repair work e.g something breaks down. Anyway, I have a renovation project and I will ask my contractor to apply. Thanks.

Twitter Rasmi Kementerian Kerja Raya : Renovation boleh ✅

But need to apply MITI. Wonder how strict would that be? Doubt most of the common/economical contractors out there are officially registered.. 😅

Hold on.... now tak boleh on Facebook pula...

Actually read the SOPs release is pretty clear, only critical work that affect workers or others are allowed. I doubt renovation falls under it.

Self renovation of own house?

My contractor and myself discussed. dont care just proceed.

Just go ahead.

If dont go ahead, I got no house to live end of this month. There is no bank moratorium, I dont want to pay rental and instalment.

If someone come kacau, I will ask him roof pecah how to live in this house? Window no grill, main door belum pasang, how to live inside without being paranoid of breakin?

I have sumilar situation like you...

I have no choice.

Contractors also have to pay salary. Their workers also need to eat, got wife and children at home everyday waiting for food. Money don't drop down from the sky if they don't work.

I have to take the risk even if gomen say it is disallowed.

During MCO 1.0, the authority did raid on the house renovation sites.
My renovation contractor was scared by his friends' cases.
He stopped work at my site and went through the official procedures before resuming works.

If anyone insists of continue the renovation, please pray for luck.
If the contactor is caught, the cost will be higher and completion date will be longer.

Risk has to be taken. Me and my contractors are both on the same page.

Cannot wait for death.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

This post has been edited by ComingBackSoon: Jan 13 2021, 09:09 AM

I have gotten approval from MITI. Please write to covid19hotline@miti.gov.my & ask them. Each of us are different situation.

just applied at MITI..
same time proceed as usual...
approval might be slow... so if anyone ask.. just say waiting for MITI/already apply... so they won't disturb for now... later would come & check again... so show them your approvals...

renovation for condo or landed?

This post has been edited by selinix: Jan 13 2021, 01:54 PM

Just say if reno dont continue/complete, u got no house to stay, u ask them critical or not.

for most people is the loan + rental has to go on at the same time and with continuous delay, huge impact

Check at miti registration. Allow for 90% completion renovation works

I wrote house / rumah

There is a new updated SOP issued for renovation for strata property, is allowed now just cant do hacking work and must be vacant unit

This post has been edited by selinix: Jan 13 2021, 06:31 PM

Can I have the link / screenshot / source? Need to show my contractor.

This post has been edited by henry930821: Jan 13 2021, 06:36 PM

from what i notice, most business operate as usual, i m only the shop in my industri that really close for mco

This MCO is really pointless as just register in MITI, some of my plumber/installer register and got approved a.s.a.p. So just apply miti, can work d. what is the point of MCO? Anyway, ask contractor apply, got letter d, can work in peace.

Good also also like this, if really total lockdown, cant reno, susah also. Almost can move in new house kena mco, luckily got miti approval then can do

However, need to check with management, many condo & landed with guard house do not allow reno

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Jan 13 2021, 06:43 PM

can share the link for this?
i was wondering why one of my neighbor can continue their renovation works whereas other has stop.

https://www.kpkt.gov.my/resources/index/Hom...KP_12012021.pdf

https://www.kpkt.gov.my/resources/index/Hom...KP_12012021.pdf

6. Adakah pengubahsuaian rumah (renovation) di skim strata dibenarkan dalam tempoh ini?
Ya. Urusan pengubahsuaian dibenarkan di unit/petak yang tidak dihuni (vacant unit). Kerja pengubahsuaian yang dibenarkan adalah seperti pemasangan aircond, kitchen cabinet, wardrobe, jeriji besi (grille) dan pendawaian. Walau bagaimanapun, kerja-kerja hacking yang melibatkan bunyi bising berterusan seperti pemasangan tiles tidak dibenarkan bagi kediaman strata bertingkat

This post has been edited by selinix: Jan 13 2021, 06:53 PM

where does it mention on 90% completion house can continue to renovate?

Hi,
Does moving house come under MITI approval also? Wouldn't we have to go to balai polis to get permit?

I have no idea, someone else mention that not me.. so far i am only aware of the strata sops

How about landed house? Above just mention condo

Don't ask for trouble. Sometimes the less we know the better.

Just take the condo guidelines as a greenlight to proceed for landed houses. Later you push for an answer and they say cannot, you jialat.

The problem is your neighbours may report you to the authority.
If this is not clarified with proper approval, the risk is still there.

My contractor did not take the risk in MCO1.0 because his indons are all illegal workers...
Anyway, I was also fine that they went through the proper approval process as I was not in hurry.
Your case may differ...

If they report and authorities come, I just ask them which law am I breaking?

You will be violating MCO. I understand your situation but this line of answer/attitude will get you nowhere. I have my built-in library cabinet and minor house maintenance stuck pending management approval from my housing area. The delivery will be delayed as vendors and management are cautious not to violate MCO.

My roof leaking. Tiles popping. No water supply. Not safe to stay.

You want me die in my own house?

Are you accountable for my death?

And the most important question of all - which law am I breaking? Until you can show me a valid law/guideline that I am violating, I will proceed as usual. Police want to saman, also must saman based on law, not based on suka hati or kuchaiway's judgement.

P/S: I don't know why your vendors and contractors all so kiasu. I already called all my contractors and vendors. None of them kiasu and all proceed as usual after observing yesterday. Business is as usual in the renovation industry, at least for now.

This post has been edited by ComingBackSoon: Jan 14 2021, 03:01 PM

Drama King, you are not the only one affected by MCO. There are businesses not allowed to operate and you think they wont "die" due to inability to open fully for business? Stop talking as if only your casse is terminal.

if your case is urgent, I am sure you can explain nicely to the authorities if asked and I am sure they will understand. Anyway urgent house maintenance is allowed. General renovation is borderline/questionable.

If I don't drama, how will my house get ready during this MCO? How will contractors get paid? How will the contractors' workers get paid? How can the workers put food on their wife and children's table?

I will do what I think is right. You are free to do what you think is right.

Cheers.

Surely, you are not wrong.
And many people will also think what they think is right which causes inconsistent standard of Covid-19 SOP (e.g: no mask, mask below nose, etc) and high case count.
Anyway, this is off topic.

For renovation during MCO, why not asking your contractor to proceed with MITI application?
It's high likely to be approved now and not slow.
With approved documents, it's easier to settle with authority when they came than just debating for the reasons.

Again I said I understand your situation but please dont use ridiculous reason to justify your way of doing thing. You are not really trying to help/save your contractor or workers. If you are having such big heart, why don't you give 50% bonus to those workers for taking risk of violating MCO just to do your renovation? I can smell bs from miles away.
Like Snoy mentioned below, there is better appropriate way to handle this and stop behaving like you are the only victim.

I agree with you. For my cabinet and non essential work, I am delaying them. Urgent house maintenance such as leak, I am proceeding with it.

Answer is simple. I dont pay for risk. I pay for job done. You dowan to do? Alot more people queueing to do. Supply and demand.

And who told you I think Im a victim? Im not, since im not affected.

And Whats wrong with my behaviour? Again same question, what law am I breaking? You cant answer the question because Im not breaking any law. You’re arguing for the sake of arguing.

Fact is Im doing the right thing at a time when many are fearful.

If you want to condemn me, Im fine. But tell me what am I doing wrong.

Before you continue to talk nonsense, I suggest that you check the MCO guidelines and MITI greenlist on what is allowed under MCO. Then you know your renovation is technically a violation of MCO. In other words, stop talking bs if you don't do your home work. Just in case you go and read, may I tell you that renovation is NOT under Construction and it is also not under Services (which is reserved for essential services).

Like I said, if one has urgent reason, one may appeal to Miti for exemption but unfortunately you are talking as if you have the God given right to do your stupid renovation. That's all I am saying.

Analogy: if you have an family emergency and you are rushing home driving at 180km/h. I am sure you will tell the police that it is OK to drive that fast because you have an emergency? You are still breaking the law in this case. Likewise if you talk nicely and explain the police I am sure he will let you go. However, talking like the world owe you this wont get you anywhere. Please grow up and think.

Your post is long, but incorrect.

Like I said, my house got no roof, no water supply, tiles popping out. So it is indeed critical. NO law is broken. And I don't know where you get your info. KPKT also say can renovate, people have been discussing in this forum

https://www.kpkt.gov.my/resources/index/Hom...KP_12012021.pdf

Do you think I should listen to KPKT, or listen to kuchaikway the nobody from lowyat forum? Next time, learn how to read and listen before passing your useless judgement. You are not an authority. You don't have facts to back you up. You're just a nobody. Why should I listen to you?



This post has been edited by ComingBackSoon: Jan 14 2021, 09:14 PM

I guess you are too dumb to understand. Go and read Miti guidelines. So are you having house maintenance or renovation? Unfinished renovation is not under house maintenance. So now you are trying to go from you are trying to save the contractor and his workers to this is critical maintenance?? Give me a break, For god sake if you want to split hair you have not stayed in the house and this is not maintenance. I have no problem for you to explain the situation and get authorities to OK but I am problem with your stupid attitude.

This post has been edited by kuchaikway: Jan 14 2021, 09:17 PM

I already showed you the KPKT guidelines. Time for you to show me the miti guidelines you have been branding about.

Until you show me the guidelines, you're just a nobody.

I don't need to prove I am somebody to you. If you are too dumb to google Miti greenlist and guidelines on MCO then it just prove to me how dumb you are.
Anyway, I have seen the guidelines you pasted but that's for strata properties. Although nowadays there are strata titled houses with roof but I doubt yours is since you said in earlier post that you are just taking this for normal landed properties. In any case, hacking and noise generating activities are not allowed for strata titled property too.

Again, it is one thing to accept reasonable risk (such as in this case) with proper explanation to the authorities. It is another thing to show your ignorance by insisting that you are absolutely right and not breaking any law.

So no link. Empty bottles always sound the loudest.

Since you have no evidence, and have a big ego and wont admit your mistake, I resr my case.

I also dont need to prove anything to you, as you are a nobody and cant do shit to me.

As long as my renovation gets done, I am able to save money, my contractors and their workers get paid, Im happy, police happy everyone is happy.

Kuchaiway from lowyat’s happiness is not even on my concern list.

Im open to be be corrected, Im still waiting for someone to prove to me Im wrong. If there is an official document stating renovation is prohibited I will gladly admit my mistake.

Fact is, I aint breaking no laws because until now are no laws stating renovation is categorically prohibited.

Lacking any such document, one can deduce that since strata renovation is permitted, landed renovation is also permitted, especially when put together with the fact that construction (which you falsely claimed doesnt include renovation) is permitted

This post has been edited by ComingBackSoon: Jan 14 2021, 10:08 PM

Congratulations ... you argue your case like a 8-year old school boy. Who is the one first accusing someone as nobody?

I see your past posts and see that you have the maturity of a toddler. I am sure you will save money, save the world (and those poor contractor's workers), and blah blah blah. I am sure you are not violating any law because you are always right including using a strata guideline for landed properties? When you can't even differentiate construction project from renovation project I already know that you haven't read the Miti's guidelines which clearly define what is Construction and what is Service under the MCO guidelines. Just stop showing your stupidity please.

This post has been edited by kuchaikway: Jan 14 2021, 10:21 PM

Im still waiting...

I think mr k is referring to this ...
https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/558609

The definitions are very specific and renovation doesn’t fit into Construction and/or Service category. So I think for those that are not specifically mentioned like renovation best is pretend you don’t know and plead for exception if checked by authorities. Most importantly be nice to your neighbors because it will be a different story if they are complaining.

Thanks for the link. I could argue that renovation does fit into construction/service (what else would it fit into!?), but that's a weak argument that would spark endless debate.

Here's a better argument - the document you referred to has been superceded. This document is just a "cadangan" and it writes clearly "sehingga 10 Januari 2021". Also take note of item 37 of the cadangan, which reads

Apa-apa perkhidmatan, kerja, industri dan perniagaan sebagaimana yang ditentukan oleh Menteri Kesihatan selepas berunding dengan pihak berkuasa yang mengawal selia perkhidmatan, kerja, industri dan perniagaan itu.

And the pihak berkuasa for renovation i.e., KPKT has issued their own guidelines - in which renovation is permitted - on 12 January 2021. This is the latest guideline available for us to adhere to. If someone can show me a more updated document saying renovation is not permitted, then I will admit my mistake and shut up.

Yes agree will be nice to neighbours, whether or not I am renovating I will do that. Will never mess with neighbours.

This post has been edited by ComingBackSoon: Jan 14 2021, 11:41 PM

Read carefully. Last page pg16 is dated Jan 12. The first page probably no change/update since Jan 10. A far as I know this is the latest that I have seen. KPKT one is only for strata related issues/questions.

Come come everyone I share the latest SOP available on MKN website for pembinaan dated 13 January 2021.

https://asset.mkn.gov.my/web/wp-content/upl...2021-edited.pdf

Then I teach you another trick, even if your contractor don't apply for MITI, you can apply to MITI yourself. Someone shared this with me and just tell me to "pandai pandai la ya".

https://www.miti.gov.my/redir/pkp/cims.html

Untuk yang berani saja. Kalau takut mampus or noob at putar belit when authorities come, just stop work.

Peace.

okay. case close.
apply or not. kena saman or not.. your choice...

main thing.... be nice to your neighbor.. because it's them would make your life & renovation easier or hard for u.... I mean if they report... GG esp if not follow local guidance (ilegal extension etc.)... they happy, everyone happy....

I had the same questions whether can renovate landed property or not.
So to clarify that i went to MPAJ official FB page and asked the question today. They replied that can proceed to renovate as long as already got the official MPAJ permit. In my case i already got my official permit so i can start but definitely need to ensure to follow the standard SOPs such as setup a temperature checker and the log books/QR code. Last but not least don't mess with your neighbors since its PKP most of them will be at home.

Just to let you guys know..my contractor just got MITI approval.

Only two workers (indonesion) are allowed and they will need to stay here.

So my kitchen and room 4 will be thier place to sleep.

Using plywood, we have setup barrier between my dining area and the kitchen..hence, no access anymore..

Hope, this will help.you guys




This post has been edited by hakimnen: Jan 17 2021, 11:09 AM

In case this helps anyone, esp those staying in apartment/condo, also depends on management. My management does allow renovation as long as SOP is followed (ie. apply at MITI, then present proof of COVID test of workers, etc.).

But of course, there are also the things to consider such as if your contractor and workers have to travel inter-district, if their workers are all legal (let's be real, many of them aren't...), and if everyone is stuck at home during MCO would you want to add to the stress of the residents with noisy renovations esp if the work is major... haha. Plus, the limited workers allowed in your place may affect quality of workmanship too, esp if they need to rush to meet pre-CNY deadlines.

Don't stress OK, I know everyone's priorities are different but safety first!

No construction during MCO — Works Ministry
https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1786845/no-...-works-ministry

Typical example of reading only the headline and not the content of the article. Please read.
Allowed with conditions and approval by MITI.

Please refer and quote only official gov SOP.
https://www.kpkt.gov.my/resources/index/Hom...KP_12012021.pdf

Also ps. Don’t be lazy to scroll to previous pages of this thread, we have already concluded.

Stay safe and cheers everyone!

This post has been edited by henry930821: Jan 17 2021, 03:12 PM