This is our actual level vs City. Home some more. Now you know why I don't rate our team & Ole that high. Its just a moment of opportunity that they (Pool, City) are down.

Comical defending again.

Thrustless attack (again).

Miles behind.

The best plan is to identify the replacement right now, and regardless of position (let’s face it, we ain’t gonna win the league this season), and replace Ole at the end of season. That should give the new manager some time and 1 window to work out an improvement plan. Otherwise we will sing the same transition song, challenge for league song, bla bla bla.

Ole HAS improved the team, since Mou. We are better than when we sacked Mou for sure. And for that we can thank Ole. But we are far from Liverpool and far from MC, right back where we started since Fergie left. And be it tactics, formations or even player selection and player signing, we are still all 2nd grade.

Unless of course that is the plan all along, to just end up in top 4 every year. Which I guarantee you, I will stop watching altogether.

We could've lost. It was a 6/10 performance against a league 1 side.
Dan James is still doing his best to bang every right back he encounters. 5.5/10, +0.5 for the first few minutes.
Lingardinho was so invisible. 5/10
Mata was OK for a cameo start. He can't press or defend if his life depends on it. 6.5/10
Williams shows why he is not starting this year.
Bailley is better than Maguire or Lindelof, except he will only play 5 times every season. 6.5/10
Tuanzebe was fair.
Vdb did well but Mata in front huffed a little too much to do anything better with his support. 7/10
Greenwood needs to get his act together. Otherwise his whole season will a wash. Another 5.5/10
Sure, this was a game to rest the first 11. But to see our next 11 not inspiring, something we've come to accept?

Haaland and Sancho, our coveted double. But it will be in vain. We have no money nor prestige to pull, not to mention come play for MU = sit on the bench long long.

Valencia is captain material. James still need to learn how to be consistent.

Much different.

yayaya...and I even replied to that dude, he was talking about OleIn for goodness sake. I still remember to this day. Just lazy to dig it up for flame sake.

Anyway, as MU fans, if the last 6 years has thought is anything, it is humility. What's there to boast, if you've not won anything substantial.

WazzaIn! OleOut!

Seriously though, ever since he claimed that LVG was the best manager he played for I kinda worry about his future management style.

a good result. But our first half was playing with fire. This highlights how far we are from the top. First it was MC during the Carabao Cup, and next it is Liverpool today.

If we keep playing this two teams for the whole season we will end up last.

Liverpool will be frustrated no doubt but at least they tried. Man, Thiago is a beast compared to our no.6. Maestro, conductor whatever. Today it is only from their not so top form front 3, that we are spared. Just 1 goal from them would have opened the floodgates (just refer MC in Carabao cup).

Our play right now is just enough for us to scrap by into top 4 because whenever we meet top teams itll be 2 DM+ Pogba in the deep, the forwards are gonna be starved of service. You look at Salah, Firmino and Mane, they run, but they don't have to run 30 yards everytime they get the ball. Rashford has to run 30 yards to hit a wall. Because no one is near him to interchange. All our forwards including Bruno is just a man unto himself everytime they get the ball.

We will not conquer England and Europe if we don't play like Liverpool, This is the way. I'm looking for improvement in this aspect, of course the fact that we are somehow top of the league is significant and some say all that matters. To me I am really more interested in finding a way to match Liverpool in the first 60 minutes. I think the way we played, is a typical Stoke city/Bournemouth etc etc defending and long ball approach with better players.

Overall, for the performance 7/10, result 6/10. After taste 5/10.

I'm chill, as I said it was a good point against a top side. Now, back to the pretty football. I'm not talking about Arsenal pretty, because that's just fallacy. Its never been pretty, and we've never really had a problem getting a result from them. I'm talking gegenpress high energy, up the field urgency. Not even tiki taka.

By the end of Fergie's era, it was already quite evident that Pep and MC game has reach a very high level. And don't forget we usually get whipped when we faced them. Suppose Fergie becomes immortal (yay!) and is still managing today. I would be asking for the same from him, as from Ole.

So, now that Pool has achieved this, with White Teeth Klop, I am also hoping we aspire for the same. They are not Champions of Europe multiple times by fluke. They are a good, organized, resilient, talented, and very very well drilled in the opponent's half.

We are relying on Rashford when he feels like it and Bruno when the sun is rising from the east (IE all the time).

Yes, grinding results is important method. Yes, I have seen winning ugly and enjoyed it. But those need to be tempered with playing well most of the time as Plan A.

Ask any calm Liverpool fan, they will tell you they are not so worried about this match and result. Whereas here I am saying we need to improve. We need to learn to defend and attack at the opponent's half. By then we can play with 2 emergency center backs and no issue.

I am still OleOut. He's proven he is something but not yet MUFC grade. Our standards cannot be so low. But he is improving, I'll give him that. Perhaps I will the first to build him a statue...

Even now, I wouldn't be so quick to judge lampard. Or even arteta.
To me they + ole are in the same category of serious probation and not yet achieved anything of note. Except ole has spent a lot too, and has the longest time and managing the biggest club.

Hard to believe we have a semi working Pogba now, but I'll be damned if he can cut out the extra pull back everytime he touches the ball. It works well 50% of the time and 50% get tackled because he dwell too long.

Doesn't he realize that a simple touch and go is better?

And he also needs to wake up immediately from whistle. Not take 6mins to start the match....other than that, yeah he is world class.

Fulham was dull as a rock and yet we struggle to penetrate or create clear chances....we got by by the skin of our teeth this time. Another time of I'll take those 3 points win ugly?

At least this time we push up and press very high, maintain high pressure on Fulham. Leadership by example from Cavani.

Just imagine if our wing play is better. I mean Martial did nothing, and neither did Greenwood. On the left we have a better LB in Shaw, but on the right, it is looking fragile for 2 years, with AWB. Attacks break down by themselves on the right.

Today is a much better performance from the team, even though watching Mo Salah score twice and get a few more chances is very scary. Apart from Luke and Maguire loosing him (man, Salah is a great runner and finisher), we were more than a match for Pool.

Remember I criticize the team that we can't press high up, this time we did and we put them under so much pressure. VDB did more than alright. My previous match I admire Thiago, I don't think he got the ball so much this time around.

Look at the possession stats guys, for once we are on top.

Chances also. We had the greater number and quality. I've not read or seen any interviews but I dont think Klop can say we were lucky bla bla bla.

This is really something I want to see more from Ole, and to me a big tick in the improvement section.

8.5/10 performance

me. I still want Ole out..... In my mind, he is improving but still need to prove everything, and frankly speaking MUFC is 6 years past proving everything.

BUT : I acknowledge that we must not sack him now, but at end of season with a good candidate coming in.

I think what i mean is to have someone in reserve. My candidate has been Allegri from day 1. Maybe we need a pre-agreement with him, that if Ole doesn't end up challenging for the league until the last 4 matches, and definitely top 4, then we need to bring Allegri in.

Do you think there is a good time to sack a manager? During a good period or in the doldrums of defeat? For me, top 4 is a great reason to change managers.

We will have given 2.5 years to Ole end of this season. According to your rough schedule, he must have already shown all the necessary progress. Frankly speaking its been flashes here and there.

As I replied above, it is not a must to sack, for example there are half games to be played and perhaps we can hit some more high and consistent levels.

It is a normal problem for everyone - Don't change horses midstream. But seriously, I know, Glazers will be reluctant to do anything if we are top 4. I just try to present a contrarian view that can be considered.

Not sure how high your standards are but for me not ending the seasons last month still in the running for the league = failure. Then we can do a post mortem and see who or what is the fault. If it goes back to the mgr saying yeah its my fault, and it has already been repeated, then why not sack him again?

As you put it, Leicester are top 4 should they be patting the hell out of their backs?

If my expecting us to challenge every damn season, is too much, then you are basically asking me to support Leicester.

This post has been edited by lee82gx: Jan 25 2021, 11:16 AM

Remember guys, we should not aim for top 4. That should be shameful. We should always be challenging for the first place.

Wow, just wow, Lamps already 18 months on. We may laugh at Chelsea now, but I fully expect them to come on strong with new manager (at least for a while).

too much emotions now to say anything. but the way sheffield set up, we are in danger from the start.

after 20mins I knew if we get something it will not be from the front 3.

Martial, Rashford, Greenwood

They are triplets, doing everything the same. If Ole doesn't fix this, then no use. How many times do I have to say we need a battering ram not dribbling pusing pusing pusing bang defender. Today is a good day to try wing play (again) when they defend so deep.

Anyhow it is a lesson, Ole needs to learn. Not the first time and yet we are back to square one. Like beginning of season.
1. Matic can't start anymore.
2. The front three are literally clowns.
3. And we will concede first.
In order to win, 3 items above need to be fixed or overcome.