Totally different people in charge, different level of skill, how to become shenzhen, shenzhen is a tech hub now, can’t see no sign of jb transforming into that
JB's Evolution: the Potential to become Shenzhen.., Iskandar Malaysia
JB's Evolution: the Potential to become Shenzhen.., Iskandar Malaysia
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Apr 3 2023, 08:01 AM
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Totally different people in charge, different level of skill, how to become shenzhen, shenzhen is a tech hub now, can’t see no sign of jb transforming into that
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Jun 14 2023, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE(Jazted @ Jun 14 2023, 12:24 PM) Not a matter of want or not, this not something you get by just wanting toTalents all go to sg how to compete? Graduates from Johor by default all go to sg, companies come here, hiring needs already fail, not to mention the business environment, supply chain, infrastructure, Johor Bahru current state can compete? Root cause is weak economy, cannot change by flipping a switch, total institutional changes needed, take decades to see results even if willing to change |
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Feb 19 2025, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE(gnc88 @ Feb 19 2025, 07:48 AM) lol.. let's not fool ourselves. JB can never be Shenzen which is a in type C country. With SEZ, JB will simply be a manufacturing backyard of Sg. It is set to become the wealthiest city in MalaysiaBetter snatch a few properties, Price now hasn’t reached its full potential |
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Feb 19 2025, 09:00 AM
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QUOTE(gnc88 @ Feb 19 2025, 08:33 AM) Don’t listen to the sales talk by Gov. They said the same thing about Forest city etc. Yet so many kena burn due to belakang pusing gov policies etc. If a development doesn’t line their pockets, they just abandon plan. In physics, fluids move from high-pressure areas to low-pressure areas due to a pressure gradient. Similarly, Singapore’s high economic pressure—driven by rising costs, labor shortages, and housing unaffordability—creates a natural outflow of demand toward Johor Bahru, where the “economic pressure” is lower (cheaper land, housing, and labor). This process is akin to diffusion or fluid flow in a system seeking equilibrium.Think about this for SEZ. All manufacturing works go to JB. Meaning to say all MY folks working in Sg forced to relocate back to MY. So instead of being paid in Sg, now they need to take home MYR - starting salary RM5K (SEZ). As for Sg, they take up all the fancy clean and sexy industries, which a chunk of folks crossing the border does not have the skill sets or knowledge. So gg to those highly leverage on MY property thinking their golden goose (Sg paycheck) will continue. If this were to happen, folks will need to let go these properties causes an unexpected surplus of properties. In terms of properties, Johor has abundance of land. If property prices go up high, Sunway/Setia/IOI will simply build another township causing a surplus of property supply. Developers simply build, sale and walk away, while buyers left high and dry with subpar maintenance issues etc. To be frank, only way to drive property prices up in JB solidly, is to build a damn casino. Singapore and JB form an interconnected economic system where pressure differences drive movement. While some argue JB has an oversupply of land, the real question is where demand will concentrate—and right now, the natural economic forces indicate that high-value areas near infrastructure and business hubs will absorb Singapore’s economic overflow, pushing property values up in those zones. Thus, JB’s property market isn’t purely speculative—it’s a natural economic consequence of pressure differentials between the two cities. |
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Feb 19 2025, 09:45 AM
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QUOTE(KenM @ Feb 19 2025, 04:05 AM) it’s called progress… Kl: political and cultural centerunlike before, only capital cities progress…the new business model is competition and completeness… which city can provide AIO business package gets the business… eg china, previously shanghai, beijing and HK… now most cities have progressed tremendously…eg shenzen, xian , chongching etc… Jb: economic engine Penang: Silicon Valley KenM liked this post
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Feb 19 2025, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE(gnc88 @ Feb 19 2025, 11:09 AM) Although economic pressure differentials can drive demand, the supply side must also be considered. JB has a history of overbuilding and an oversupply of properties. This oversupply can lead to speculative buying, where investors purchase properties not for immediate use but in anticipation of future price increases. Despite the deficiencies you mentioned, we are already seeing real corporate interest and Singapore government support for Johor Bahru’s economic growthDespite JB’s proximity to Singapore, current infrastructure is clearly insufficient to support a significant increase in cross-border commuting or business activities. Even with RTS at 10K/hr, with peak hour window being only 2-3 hrs, there's very limited number of folks can do the cross-border commute. Investors consider political and economic stability, legal frameworks, and other risks when investing in property. Malaysia’s regulatory environment and economic stability is not as attractive as Singapore’s, leading to hesitation amongst investors. While Singapore faces high costs, it also offers higher wages and better quality of life, which may mitigate the outflow of demand. In short, only time will tell if Johor can make good use of this opportunity or the Fed gov instability will just make this into another big blunder. This is not a repeat of past mistakes where hype drove property investments without real economic backing. This time, actual companies, infrastructure projects, and bilateral cooperation are laying the foundation for sustained growth. While risks exist, the difference now is that Singapore itself has strategic incentives to ensure Johor succeeds, making this more than just a property bubble waiting to burst. I may be biased cuz I already invested in property and reits that has profolio in jb, planning on second property as well. I’m basically all in on jb, the sentiment is too good and strong. Jb will be pegged against sg rather than Malaysia, now with real support from sg, if you trust sg then you should have confidence in jb growth This post has been edited by somewhataut: Feb 19 2025, 11:27 AM |
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Feb 19 2025, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 19 2025, 11:32 AM) I’m relying on cash flow so I wouldn’t try to face the fierce competition with hotels and other units in city centre although they may be good for capital appreciation, I believe the demand will still spread outside city centreI bought - Serviced apartment near a college and well known commercial area -landed at Iskandar puteri near multiple uni (planned) - jb-based industrial reits - reit that has potential of acquisition of south key mid valley - construction stocks with heavy jb portfolio |
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Feb 19 2025, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 19 2025, 11:43 AM) Service apt at Austin ? Eh how you know? You stalk me a?who wanna buy over south key mid valley? property prices are really over the roof now in jb itself “At the moment there is no timeline for IGB-REIT to exercise its right for first refusal to acquire Mid Valley Southkey in Johor Baru from its sponsor. We expect it to wait after another rental cycle in 2025,” The price surge occur near rts. The rts effect is already reflected in current price, but the potential economic growth in jb hasn’t been reflected. I bought away from rts, I believe that’s where people will actually have short stays. City centre those sg workers can buy and stay. I think future organic growth will be in iskandar puteri rather than old city centre. With the proposed public transport line (iskandar puteri, skudai and tebrau/mt Austin), shouldn’t be a problem if you buy at those areas |
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Feb 19 2025, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 19 2025, 12:03 PM) wah I guess correctly ar FYI Iskandar Malaysia refers to the whole of jb, iskandar puteri is what you are referring tosomehow I still think Iskandar cmi town area now crazy rental for commercial Skudai, Tebrau/Austin area also good, nowadays many take a bet at kulai area, still not as exp yet or Kota Masai Iskandar puteri is built for atas offices, just ppl barely come in yet If Iskandar cmi then Kota masai even more cmi Kulai near data centre, you have to think does it drive up housing demand? This post has been edited by somewhataut: Feb 19 2025, 12:09 PM |
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Feb 19 2025, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(Jazted @ Feb 19 2025, 12:08 PM) near college? is it sunways Iskandar? Austin also has one college, I’m planning second purchase near Iskandar puteri but not sunway Mid valley look good at the moment but the thing i worry is the massive new mall near city center, you got 1. SKS mall opposite of Astaka. 2. Larkinton mall 3. Permas mall (revival) 4. Astaka mall (under their master plan). 5. RTS mall 6. Coronation square mall. And existing supply such as as: 1. Aeon, beletime, paradigm mall, plaza pelangi, R&F mall (hear they going to renovate the mall after phase 3)..etc. The sunway at bukit chagar one a? That one need ten years to build, the others also take time to build, now still can buy retail reits This post has been edited by somewhataut: Feb 19 2025, 12:30 PM |
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Feb 19 2025, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 19 2025, 12:14 PM) kota masai population huge, very much diff now compare to those days I think outsiders never even heard of Kota masai, do people go there for short stays? What are the reasons to rent there? I think people stay there solely for affordability. I got a shock when I drove there, pre covid n post covid, so much diff, and some major development going on soon somehow kopishop talk is staying ard data centre is a nono, kulai demographic diff most buyers are only local kulai residents who at most move out from their family, but want to be near no outsider would for no reason purchase or move to kulai I think johor town mall, other than ksl n mid valley and maybe city square are fine , the rest struggling The proposed art/lrt only has three lines Iskandar puteri, skudai, tebrau/austin Maybe people work in data centre would want to stay kulai Sometimes mall really depend on management, Komtar jbcc directly connected to custom still sucks ass |
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Feb 19 2025, 01:59 PM
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Feb 19 2025, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE(Lester1987 @ Feb 19 2025, 01:37 PM) as someone that been thru MCO in JB, you will know well what will happen if another MCO hits JB. The whole of JB Town and MBIP area is like dead town without SGrean and SGD earner. Mbip is intended to become corporate style cbd, it look dead now because not much mnc want to come in, in future may be different, plus there are many uni around mbip Only Austin, JJ, Tebrau corridor still have some local humans... As for investing, never buy high rise in JB. those are the overbuilt kaw kaw ones. Go and invest in a good landed. Problem is you need to queue and snatch with bunch of people. Places like Horizon Hills, Aspira, Eco Botanic, Austin Heights all new launch need to ballot or queue from midnight get even get a unit and they are priced like 1m+. Still cheaper compare to Klang Valley so i think the room to grow is there. |
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Feb 19 2025, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(plouffle0789 @ Feb 19 2025, 03:44 PM) Do you mean you will wait until Perikatan Nasional (PN) [ PAS + Bersatu + GERAKAN ] takes over Putrajaya before buying JB property? If pas take over you think he still have payslips to apply loan?It will be an apocalyptic scenario, still talk about buying houses lmao This post has been edited by somewhataut: Feb 19 2025, 04:06 PM rx330 liked this post
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