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TSyewHC
post Aug 21 2007, 11:09 AM, updated 19y ago

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anyone know whats going on???

who is this Tilera and how they do???
never heard about them...
and now they suddenly come out with this high performance processor.


i know that Intel was plan to getting 80core, but now their mission already break by someone.
and this someone (Tilera) didn't put 80core infront of theit eyes, they going for >1000core!!!!!!



Intel and AMD will vmad.gif n cry.gif soon, they got a new and powerful competitor.(they are in different level!!!!)
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post Aug 21 2007, 11:19 AM

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the CPU is a completely different architecture (not x86) and ATM Tilera only have SDK for Linux.

Pity Windows users smile.gif
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post Aug 21 2007, 11:19 AM

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i dun think it run windows...do it??
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post Aug 21 2007, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(radioactive @ Aug 21 2007, 11:19 AM)
i dun think it run windows...do it??
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nope, ATM, no SDK for Windows yet, and it is better that way.
Damn, I going to love Linux back if this baby is out for retail.

From the product overview.
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Tilera's MDE includes:
. Standard Eclipse-based IDE
. ANSI standard C compiler
. Multi-tile cycle-accurate simulator
. Whole chip debug and performance analysis
. Complete SMP Linux support
. iLIB library for efficient inter-communication
. PCIe Hardware development platform
. Linux and Windows host environments
However you can build app for this CPU on Windows host though. hehe. Great feature I think.

This post has been edited by dopodplaya: Aug 21 2007, 11:25 AM
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post Aug 21 2007, 11:37 AM

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good for company running linux app + secure connections...

home users need tht for what...?
online game...? lolz...
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post Aug 21 2007, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(radioactive @ Aug 21 2007, 11:19 AM)
i dun think it run windows...do it??
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ya, bill gate need to have new windows to run on this processor instead of using windows vista
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post Aug 21 2007, 11:39 AM

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mine proc just 1 core only cry.gif
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post Aug 21 2007, 11:47 AM

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You all do realize this is not suitable for a general purpose machine (i.e. your computer!).
Plus it's not even x86 but a MIPS derivative I believe so no Windows.

Tilera is an MIT-affiliated startup, much like Stream Processors is a Stanford-affiliated startup - both working on stream computing solutions.
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post Aug 21 2007, 11:47 AM

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hahaaa......
while people (Intel and AMD) still looking a way to reach moon,
alien (Tilera) already reach earth and will take control.
if people still didn't do for something,
sure will be dead at last..


agree???? biggrin.gif

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64 core processor drool.gif drool.gif
Try to imagine using this baby to fold laugh.gif thumbup.gif

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post Aug 21 2007, 11:52 AM

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Anyways, cap the features - multimedia and networking centric CPU it is.

. 8 X 8 grid of identical, general purpose processor cores (tiles)
. 3-way VLIW pipeline for instruction level parallelism
. 5 Mbytes of on-chip Cache
. 192 billion operations per second (32-bit)
. 27 Tbps of on-chip mesh interconnect enables linear application scaling
. Up to 50 Gbps of I/O bandwidth
. 600MHz - 1GHz operating frequency
. 170 - 300mW per core
. Idle Tiles can be put into low-power sleep mode
. Power efficient inter tile communications
. Four DDR2 memory controllers with optional ECC

. Two 10GbE XAUI configurable MAC or PHY interfaces
. Two 4-lane 10Gbps PCI-e MAC or PHY interfaces
. Two GbE MAC interfaces

. Flexible I/O interface
. ANSI standard C compiler
. Advanced profiling and debugging designed for multicore programming
. Supports SMP Linux with 2.6 kernel
. iLib API's for efficient inter-tile communication

. 10 Gbps Snort(R) processing
. 20+ Gbps iptables (firewall)
. 20+ Gbps nProbe
. 16 X 16 SAD at 540 MBlocks/s
. H.264 HD video encode for two streams of 720p @ 30 Fps

. Highest performance per watt
. Simple thermal management & power supply design
. Lower operating cost
. Reduces BOM cost - standard interfaces included on-chip
. Dramatically reduced board real estate
. Direct interface to leading L2-L3 switch vendors
. Run off-the-shelf C programs
. Reduce debug and optimization time
. Faster time to production code
. Standard multicore communication mechanisms

Certainly not for your Windows operating systems.

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post Aug 21 2007, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(dopodplaya @ Aug 21 2007, 11:52 AM)
. 8 X 8 grid of identical, general purpose processor cores (tiles)
. 3-way VLIW pipeline for instruction level parallelism
. 27 Tbps of on-chip mesh interconnect enables linear application scaling
. Up to 50 Gbps of I/O bandwidth
. 600MHz - 1GHz operating frequency
. 170 - 300mW per core
. Idle Tiles can be put into low-power sleep mode
. Power efficient inter tile communications
. Four DDR2 memory controllers with optional ECC

. Two 10GbE XAUI configurable MAC or PHY interfaces
. Two 4-lane 10Gbps PCI-e MAC or PHY interfaces
. Two GbE MAC interfaces

. Flexible I/O interface
. ANSI standard C compiler
. Advanced profiling and debugging designed for multicore programming
. Supports SMP Linux with 2.6 kernel
. iLib API's for efficient inter-tile communication

. 10 Gbps Snort(R) processing
. 20+ Gbps iptables (firewall)
. 20+ Gbps nProbe
. 16 X 16 SAD at 540 MBlocks/s
. H.264 HD video encode for two streams of 720p @ 30 Fps

. Highest performance per watt
. Simple thermal management & power supply design
. Lower operating cost
. Reduces BOM cost - standard interfaces included on-chip
. Dramatically reduced board real estate
. Direct interface to leading L2-L3 switch vendors
. Run off-the-shelf C programs
. Reduce debug and optimization time
. Faster time to production code
. Standard multicore communication mechanisms

Certainly not for your Windows operating systems.
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Seems like a RISC-based System-on-Chip (SoC).
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post Aug 21 2007, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Aug 21 2007, 11:47 AM)
You all do realize this is not suitable for a general purpose machine (i.e. your computer!).
Plus it's not even x86 but a MIPS derivative I believe so no Windows.

Tilera is an MIT-affiliated startup, much like Stream Processors is a Stanford-affiliated startup - both working on stream computing solutions.
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It is a RISC CPU. Short instructions, extreme parallelism. This is what CPU suppose to do.
Well, that's one thing, the second best thing about this CPU is the built-in I/O, RAM and LAN controllers.
Save our budget on blood-sucking chipsets designs.
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post Aug 21 2007, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(dopodplaya @ Aug 21 2007, 11:52 AM)
Anyways, cap the features - multimedia and networking centric CPU it is.

. 8 X 8 grid of identical, general purpose processor cores (tiles)
. 3-way VLIW pipeline for instruction level parallelism
. 5 Mbytes of on-chip Cache
. 192 billion operations per second (32-bit)
. 27 Tbps of on-chip mesh interconnect enables linear application scaling
. Up to 50 Gbps of I/O bandwidth
. 600MHz - 1GHz operating frequency
. 170 - 300mW per core
. Idle Tiles can be put into low-power sleep mode
. Power efficient inter tile communications
. Four DDR2 memory controllers with optional ECC

. Two 10GbE XAUI configurable MAC or PHY interfaces
. Two 4-lane 10Gbps PCI-e MAC or PHY interfaces
. Two GbE MAC interfaces

. Flexible I/O interface
. ANSI standard C compiler
. Advanced profiling and debugging designed for multicore programming
. Supports SMP Linux with 2.6 kernel
. iLib API's for efficient inter-tile communication

. 10 Gbps Snort(R) processing
. 20+ Gbps iptables (firewall)
. 20+ Gbps nProbe
. 16 X 16 SAD at 540 MBlocks/s
. H.264 HD video encode for two streams of 720p @ 30 Fps

. Highest performance per watt
. Simple thermal management & power supply design
. Lower operating cost
. Reduces BOM cost - standard interfaces included on-chip
. Dramatically reduced board real estate
. Direct interface to leading L2-L3 switch vendors
. Run off-the-shelf C programs
. Reduce debug and optimization time
. Faster time to production code
. Standard multicore communication mechanisms

Certainly not for your Windows operating systems.
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as i said, "bill gate need to have new windows to run on this processor instead of using windows vista"
neither vista nor longhorn con run on this

This post has been edited by yewHC: Aug 21 2007, 12:24 PM
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post Aug 21 2007, 12:10 PM

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involving Bill Gates in this serious CPU business?
He will only increase the cost of PC system with his WHQL bs.

Let's this CPU with Linux = perfect match.

Anyways, Vista is fine with me.
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post Aug 21 2007, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(yewHC @ Aug 21 2007, 11:47 AM)
hahaaa......
while people (Intel and AMD) still looking a way to reach moon,
alien (Tilera) already reach earth and will take control.
if people still didn't do for something,
sure will be dead at last..
agree???? biggrin.gif
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cannot compare, different purposes
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post Aug 21 2007, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(yewHC @ Aug 21 2007, 12:08 PM)
as i said, "bill gate need to have new windows to run on this processor instead of using windows vista"
neither vista nor longhorn con run on this
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Show me your linux and I'll show you mine.
It's not weird for a processor to be built for a particular OS only. Sun Microsystem have their own processor for their OS, IIRC the UltraSPARC
QUOTE(yewHC @ Aug 21 2007, 11:47 AM)
hahaaa......
while people (Intel and AMD) still looking a way to reach moon,
alien (Tilera) already reach earth and will take control.
if people still didn't do for something,
sure will be dead at last..
agree???? biggrin.gif
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meh, it's for different purpose. This is certainly for budget purposes where you don't have to get chipsets to control this. You can't compare both.
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post Aug 21 2007, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Aug 21 2007, 12:38 PM)
cannot compare, different purposes
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.......... sad.gif
wat i mean here,

while Intel and AMD(people) still in research to get thier target(moon) (for example, Intel looking a way to get 80 Cores),
some unknow processor producer(alien), Tilera already able can achieve their target and will take control the market.(earth).
if Intel and AMD didn't look for solution, they will be terminate in the market.




Added on August 21, 2007, 1:07 pm
QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Aug 21 2007, 12:46 PM)
Show me your linux and I'll show you mine.
It's not weird for a processor to be built for a particular OS only. Sun Microsystem have their own processor for their OS, IIRC the UltraSPARC
meh, it's for different purpose. This is certainly for budget purposes where you don't have to get chipsets to control this. You can't compare both.
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so do you know that the concept for build a processor is same??? either Intel or AMD or Sun Microsystem. concept is the same, they just add some features to archive the main popurse of the processor.
so, if Intel get the concept from Tilera, then may be Intel can produce more powerful processor..
thats all for my story

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QUOTE(dopodplaya @ Aug 21 2007, 12:08 PM)
It is a RISC CPU. Short instructions, extreme parallelism. This is what CPU suppose to do.
Well, that's one thing, the second best thing about this CPU is the built-in I/O, RAM and LAN controllers.
Save our budget on blood-sucking chipsets designs.
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RISC is not about short instructions; it's about optimized simple, common instructions + other stuff like extra registers etc (contrast this to the CISC approach).
VLIW = "very long instruction word" so the instructions are actually quite long.
Works great in theory but not so great in real life; you need a really good compiler to squeeze its full potential out.
Intel is only marginally successful with the Itanium which is a VLIW-derivative called EPIC.

QUOTE(yewHC @ Aug 21 2007, 01:07 PM)
.......... sad.gif
wat i mean here,

while Intel and AMD(people) still in research to get thier target(moon) (for example, Intel looking a way to get 80 Cores),
some unknow processor producer(alien), Tilera already able can achieve their target and will take control the market.(earth).
if Intel and AMD didn't look for solution, they will be terminate in the market.

Added on August 21, 2007, 1:07 pm
so do you know that the concept for build a processor is same??? either Intel or AMD or Sun Microsystem. concept is the same, they just add some features to archive the main popurse of the processor.
so, if Intel get the concept from Tilera, then may be Intel can produce more powerful processor..
thats all for my story
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QUOTE(yewHC @ Aug 21 2007, 01:07 PM)
.......... sad.gif
wat i mean here,

while Intel and AMD(people) still in research to get thier target(moon) (for example, Intel looking a way to get 80 Cores),
some unknow processor producer(alien), Tilera already able can achieve their target and will take control the market.(earth).
if Intel and AMD didn't look for solution, they will be terminate in the market.

Added on August 21, 2007, 1:07 pm
so do you know that the concept for build a processor is same??? either Intel or AMD or Sun Microsystem. concept is the same, they just add some features to archive the main popurse of the processor.
so, if Intel get the concept from Tilera, then may be Intel can produce more powerful processor..
thats all for my story
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You know nothing about this processor really don't you?
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QUOTE(yewHC @ Aug 21 2007, 01:07 PM)
.......... sad.gif
wat i mean here,

while Intel and AMD(people) still in research to get thier target(moon) (for example, Intel looking a way to get 80 Cores),
some unknow processor producer(alien), Tilera already able can achieve their target and will take control the market.(earth).
if Intel and AMD didn't look for solution, they will be terminate in the market.

Added on August 21, 2007, 1:07 pm
so do you know that the concept for build a processor is same??? either Intel or AMD or Sun Microsystem. concept is the same, they just add some features to archive the main popurse of the processor.
so, if Intel get the concept from Tilera, then may be Intel can produce more powerful processor..
thats all for my story
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WHen i go to interview in Intel Penang, the engineer over there telling me that they are in lalrabee project which has 32 cores in a chip. I don't really believe her until I see this........
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This company is founded in Oct 2004, as stated in their website. And TILE64 seems to be their first product launch.

Where did they get the money and expertise to suddenly come out with this processor in just 3 years where else Intel/AMD are few decades old?


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The product they're talking about is not really targeted at general purpose computing," Brookwood said. "It would be great for cell phone tower base stations, much more than it's ever going to be a desktop processor or a server processor in a data center."
quoted from http://clearstation.etrade.com/cgi-bin/bbs?post_id=8241945



Have you seen this board made from TILE64? It looks like a network card using a TILE64 proc ?

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QUOTE(theodore_kh @ Aug 21 2007, 05:21 PM)
This company is founded in Oct 2004, as stated in their website. And TILE64 seems to be their first product launch.

Where did they get the money and expertise to suddenly come out with this processor in just 3 years where else Intel/AMD are few decades old?
quoted from http://clearstation.etrade.com/cgi-bin/bbs?post_id=8241945
Have you seen this board made from TILE64? It looks like a network card using a TILE64 proc ?

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Actually the company is an MIT-funded startup (kinda like StreamProcessors and Google were initially funded by Standford Uni) + the guy in charge is the leading authority since 10+ years ago. Nothing out of the ordinary there as the top tech unis are usually quite advanced in their research.
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hell...1000cores=.= im using 1 core pro the stranger Tilera oledi announced 1000cores.. Tilera is goin to join the proc market? same as Intel and amd?
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QUOTE(xiong91 @ Aug 21 2007, 05:54 PM)
hell...1000cores=.= im using 1 core pro the stranger Tilera oledi announced 1000cores.. Tilera is goin to join the proc market? same as Intel and amd?
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no as stated in earlier post
this is a RISC chip
and currently used on Linux SDK, whatever that is rclxub.gif
(at least i know how to read laugh.gif tongue.gif)
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Yup, pretty interesting and suprise launch but I guess is targeted at different market segment.
Would like to know whether how feasible is it to use this CPU because do we really need 64 cores for now? I doubt so.
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Not many can utilise this. They need custom made software to run an OS on this, thus that's why it's for Linux, as it's easier for them to adjust the software. Heck, I'd expect a 64 core to be more powerful. expect this to fight with Sun Microsystem's server product

 

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