The problem with tall bikes is maneuvring them between the cars (changing lane) at traffic lights/junctions and tight basement parking spaces. With very limited lean angle due to short legs, the weight of the bike could be felt even it is tilted a bit. Small radius turn with handle full lock in crowded space is almost impossible. Open space no issue.

Making it worse is that these types of bikes are normally top-heavy and would be flat if they fell on the ground due to the slim and tall design. Unlike the GS with its boxer-twin engine, the bike doesn't need an extra lift before pushing it with your legs.

This is based on my experience of riding an adventure-wannabe bike with no mod. I'm 163cm with a 29" inseam.

Heard some interesting news that due to regulations in Taiwan disallowing the import of fully assembled vehicles from China, the new CFMoto distributor in Taiwan (J-Dream Motors) will be importing 9 CFMoto models from Malaysia, indicating that CFMoto will soon (is currently?) be assembled in Malaysia?

Great news if true, we'd probably be able to enjoy lower price due to tax exemption/subsidies, freely available spare parts, and have new models quicker than usual, seeing as the 250NK/SR are still old versions right now. The soon-to-be launched 450SR is also generating a lot of hype in China right now.

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Bro Ajaibman, give lah ride review of the 700CL.

Considered lah but my group rides a variety of bikes on those back roads anyway. No issues... 

They're the first group in marketing terms called innovators who would take to new ideas, things, concepts earlier than anyone else. Similar to those who buy the BYD Atto 3 and Ora Good Cat EV cars (actually the real innovators are the rich as the EV car market here is taking a top down acceptance approach) before the skeptics start believing. Next would be the early adopters followed by the early and late majority. Finally there are the laggards. These are the people who want to see that everything is safe first for them to buy. Must see resale value lah, must see spare parts price and availability lah, must see if got sc hear their house who can handle or not lah, must see if neighbour buy or not lah, then must hear if neighbour or friend or uncle and aunty have complained or not first lah etc...

The Tiger 850 IMHO is an entry-level model done right. Triumph deleted just the right bits to bring the cost down and surprisingly kept almost all of the best parts. Even the horsepower & torque numbers were reduced on paper only to differentiate it, as below 7500RPM where 99% of the riding is done they feel no different than the full-blooded Tiger 900.

I can totally understand why CFmoto priced the 800MT at >RM50k -- the company's partnership with KTM (CFmoto actually manufactures KTM engines in China) and the bike's KTM 790 roots are a solid differentiating factor that they should capitalize on in terms of pricing.

Although I have yet to swing a leg over the 800MT, I suspect the difference in weight alone will highlight Triumph's long-standing expertise in designing ADVs. Reviewers have strangely reported the LC8C's high revving nature which CFmoto responded to by lowering the gear ratio to keep the torque up at lower RPMs, resulting in relatively high fuel consumption at highway speeds. I have no experience with the 800MT to comment, although I can say I seldom had the need to rev past 7000RPM on my 850 and it makes 90% of its max torque from as low as just under 3000RPM.