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cheeann
post Aug 31 2007, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(chyap99 @ Aug 16 2007, 11:57 PM)
so u opinion is necessary to change camber if it run out lo? actually i quite worry it eat my trye one side..
normally how long can camber last after change and should i just adjust it or change to a new 1?
anyway feel RM45 is quite expensive..
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camber will neva run out. . . .
jus tat fella wanna get more commision from on only chop u camber nut. . . .
next time tell tat fella adjust toe in/out only. . .
if tis guy say must change camber nut only can adjust then u can jus walk away cuz he's trying 2 conned u


Added on August 31, 2007, 11:23 pm
QUOTE(tatayoung @ Aug 19 2007, 08:49 PM)
Alignment is what's going to determine your tire's longevity... not your chamber.The chamber exists so that you can make alignment adjustments.. on certain cars... chamber nuts are added.. and they're used to pull/push/adjust alignment thus diminishing any unintended toe in/out issues...

Bottom line.Go to ONE tyre shop regularly.. make sure he's providing you with top notch workmanship and from there on.. take his word for it.. tyre shops around the klang valley region have a reputation for f***ing their customers up.. regardless off weather or not you're a regular...they'll bang you inside out each and every time...
If he says that the nut is bent/damaged/no longer usable ask him to show it to you.
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yes!!
he's right. . . .


Added on August 31, 2007, 11:24 pm
QUOTE(ken12292703 @ Aug 17 2007, 01:31 AM)
Hi bro,

Get to know your camber angle when doing allignment. Running on near stock value can liao~ About -0.8 degree to +0.3 degree should be okay~ Read this somewhere a tyre shop~

Don't get cheated~
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i 2nd it cuz it's suppose 2 b. . . .
otherwise go other shop. . ..

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post Sep 3 2007, 12:52 AM

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well,bro....
i can say 100% tat u've been chop everytime also kena adjust camber. . . .
i believe tis shop dunno how 2 adjust d car's toe in/out 4 da car's wear n tear~ shocking.gif
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post Sep 3 2007, 01:08 AM

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then can u tell me y my tire wear outside more then inside while my front camber is -1.00 both side n my total toe is zero. . . .
it's ok if u can't explain 2 me cuz now many ppl actually understand da real meaning of aligment smile.gif
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post Sep 3 2007, 01:30 AM

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QUOTE(icyd @ Sep 3 2007, 02:16 AM)
maybe u do a lot of high speed cornering kot haha.dangerous u know
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yes indeed. . . .
both my satria n kancil is set tis way. . . .
cuz i'm an agresive driver n easily get provoke by ppl on da road. . . .
normally i take corner way much faster than normal ppl without good aligment setup. . . .
i've been working as mechanic 4 d passed 12yrs
n i know a lot workshop's tactic of chopping camber 2 get more commision on their salary. . . .
n do u know tat most 95% of all cars in malaysia will pull slighty a bit 2 da left? ?
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post Sep 3 2007, 01:48 AM

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as 4 ur infomation. . . .
camber is not easy 2 mis-alig as there's 2 screw[which u all call it camber after changing it] bolted in real solid tight n there's not way it'll out of alig unless u change absorber or had an accident on ur wheel there... there's no need 2 adjust camber everytime u rotate or do aligment... jus did normal adjusting on da toe in/out will do. . .
unless u're da type of agresive driver like me jus put it ard -0.7 to -1.2 n ur toe set 2 zero
but if u're not an agresive driver like me but u wan stability on da road on high speed then ur camber should b ard -0.6 to -1.0 n toe in by 1.0 to 1.8
i've never put less than -0.5 camber 4 my car as it's very floaty on high speed n cornering not stabil enuf

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post Sep 3 2007, 01:58 AM

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LOL~!!
well,kev. . .
i'm really happy tat u're enjoying it
but do take car in kl's road as more police is out preying on us for their pocket money lo. ..
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post Sep 3 2007, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(icyd @ Sep 3 2007, 01:11 PM)
oh 1 more thing,cheeann,do u adjust ur caster as well?
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wat car r u driving??
not many cars tat can adjust caster lo. . .
dun get conned by mechanic if u're driving local made cars or honda's car. . .


Added on September 3, 2007, 11:47 pm
QUOTE(chyap99 @ Sep 3 2007, 03:08 PM)
ic..actually my front left still the original screw, only front right is adjustable camber, as u opinion, should i change my front left to adjustable or leave it as original?
between, how much u shop charge?  laugh.gif
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jus leave it alone n dun get conned next time le. . . .

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post Sep 5 2007, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Sep 4 2007, 10:43 AM)
For stability it should be toe out and not toe-in. Toe in would give you a more accurate turning feedback but unstable on the straights. Toe-out would give you stability on the straights as the steering will always try to go back to straight position. The best setting should be zero toe to minimise tyre scrubbing and extend tyre wear. As for camber, it depends on the suspension settings. Softer suspension will require less static camber since the car rolls on the soft suspension creating more variable camber. Stiffer suspension does not this issue and can work with more static camber.
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well,bro. . .
all i can jus say u're 'terbalik' liao
but i dowan 2 argue wit u s i'm not good in explaining in words in super detail
but thru out my exprience in my work shop most of my 1st time customer like wat u think but after tat i show them b4 n after setting n they realise tat they've been cheated n brain wash by most of d shop which always chop them 4 their camber...
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post Sep 6 2007, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(chyap99 @ Sep 6 2007, 02:26 AM)
mean i can leave my front left as original do not need do any changer?
i remember my car also set toe = 0, so should i change the toe setting?
u shop in old klang road which part? wht is the price for toe setting/aligment/camber adjust?? maybe i can bring my car for u to do align.
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v do aligment on toe in/out only. . .
unless u request 4 more stability then will of cuz set 4 correct camber setup 4 u...
jus normal alig for 2front wheel is 20 n 4wheel aligment is 30
if u wanna do camber then 2 side 30
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post Sep 8 2007, 10:02 AM

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dun be confuse. . .
yes,either front 2 or all 4 wheels depending on wat car is tat...
proper aligment set according 2 proper toe
cuz normally stock new car's camber is good enuf 2 set normal alig
unless da car is secondhand then v dunno how last owner wrack da car la tongue.gif
btw where r u from??

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post Sep 8 2007, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(chyap99 @ Sep 8 2007, 12:39 PM)
er..so when we did normal aligmant is include toe aligment not?
i staying puchong.. still no sure wht is u shop name.
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normal aligment jus adjust then toe in/out only. . .

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post Sep 18 2007, 09:49 PM

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my dad's shop??
in tire shop they r called tireman not foreman smile.gif
btw bushs worn out ot not doesn't effect anything on ur camber la. . . .
it'll only effect wen u change d bushs cuz u need 2 uninstall it 2 change~
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post Oct 8 2007, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(chyap99 @ Oct 8 2007, 07:17 PM)
yes, i have recommand another friend go there also. smile.gif now looking for good car service shop..
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so u're statisfy wit da job i recommended u 2 go? ? smile.gif
wat car r u driving??
perhaps i can do 4 u,if u're driving a local made car~ smile.gif
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post Oct 18 2007, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(icyd @ Oct 18 2007, 07:18 PM)
cheeann, can u adjust camber for me?my car iswara ab.my current setting is -0.35 left,-0.45 right.the shop i did alignment refused to set the camber more negative than that even i told him to.he said that setting cun already.can i adjust camber alone without offsetting toe?
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where u do ur alignment? ?
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post Oct 18 2007, 07:13 PM

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y do u wanna adjust alignment like tat? ?
u wan more stable at higher speed issit? ?
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post Oct 18 2007, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(xbotzz @ Oct 18 2007, 08:19 PM)
cheeann,

what shop you have ?... can you help ?... I need to do;
- solve my car pulling to the left
- my steering even feels heavy
plus service
- i need to change/service my brake kits/pads (using twinpot, must get pajero one - perdana twinturbo FYI)
- change arms/absorber/bushes
- also if u can guarentee car will not tarik sebelah, i will buy new tyres for all 4... 225/45/R17, and pls dun mess with camber settings to make it go straight... got once 1 fella guarentee me... end up screwing the chamber setting, car went straight for a while then tyre started to makan tepi damn fast..
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if u dun mind let me have a look 1st??
btw ur car's camber cannot b set easily as wat other ppl in other workshop things
camber setting it's a fix d n cannot simply touch as tis car more a like a old honda car
n i guess tat fella dunno how 2 set up a car's alignmet~


Added on October 18, 2007, 7:30 pm
QUOTE(icyd @ Oct 18 2007, 08:20 PM)
i want better cornering.like ur setting u mentioned camber -1 toe 0 rite?
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u wan better cornering??
s u know ur car's rear alignment cannot b adjust n there's a limitation wen u take cornering but i dun normally simply set camber till by -1.0 cuz tat setting is kind for hardcore street racing on cornering but if u wan better cornering than usual a bit then it can b done

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post Oct 18 2007, 08:03 PM

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of course dun have la
but my dad does ma~
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post Oct 19 2007, 06:12 PM

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no need la. . . .
lower means more stabil. . .
if u decrease d camber then ur car not stable d. . . .

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post Dec 12 2007, 01:14 AM

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QUOTE(romen @ Dec 12 2007, 01:35 AM)
lolz since this is turning into a camber + alignment discussion, i'd like to ask a question to cheeann, soulfly, sleepwalker and the other pros biggrin.gif

my previous setup was -2 degree camber on the front tyres, with 0 toe out / in. i was using stock (very soft) absorbers then

when i changed to stiffer short stroke absorbers, the shop recommended me to set -1.5 degree camber, and 1.5 toe out.

Previously during hard cornering, when the front starts to lose grip, i'd get loud screeching noises and loads of understeer laugh.gif
now, when the front starts to lose grip, it's pretty silent. I only hear "frupp frupp frupp" sounds, and the car slides more neutrally instead of understeering all the way.
Both were on the same route, and same dry mornings. Tyres were on the same PSI, 34 for the front o.O

Would a camber and toe out adjustment reduce the screeching noises, or issit just the stiffer shocks at work? Btw, i drive a clumsy myvi biggrin.gif
Thanks for reading and sorry for the length smile.gif
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fuh lau~
-2 leh??
i salute u man~
u masuk rally ker???
normally between -1.0 to -1.5 n zero toe will b good enuf~
i would say d guy who set ur toe is wrong liao~
u'll totally exprience ur tire wear inside more than outside
unless u wanna go track n play~
in street performance -1.5 camber wit zero toe is good enuf~
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post Dec 16 2007, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(romen @ Dec 13 2007, 03:30 PM)
wah dun la ><"
noobs like us love experimenting
then our wallets oso sakit after that, hahaha
hurm, i think i remember a friend of mine had them at -3, but within 2 weeks he could see the immense wear.. cepat cepat set back to -1.5 laugh.gif

unfortunately i dont go for track.. but just enjoy some sunday morning drive up hilly areas biggrin.gif
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r u sure ur fren set -3? ?
siao man~
those setting is for rally car's setting d~

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