Hi all,

I want to hang a few artwork with large frames and quite heavy on concrete wall.
Which drill should I get to do this? Please recommend a reliable brand that is not expensive.

Thank you.

This post has been edited by Slash21: Oct 14 2020, 02:11 PM

Concrete wall, and light duty (less than 20 holes)
can try TOTAL brand. Get this version with 2.5J impact energy will be strong enough for any wall.

https://shopee.com.my/TOTAL-3-IN-1-26MM-ROT...QRoCUQEQAvD_BwE

There is a slightly cheaper version of Total rotary hammer but the impact energy from that - a wired tool is 1.7J only (you might save 50-60 bucks but it might have some issue if you kena stone inside the wall, and I'm thinking that if you wanna get a wired tool might as well get a decent one that will handle anything) - whereas if a 1.7J power is coming from cordless tool we know the limitation but since its cordless we are ok to live with it.

This class of drill is called rotary hammer and will use keyed drill bits (SDS Plus).
SDS Plus bits are very common and you can use any brand (Irwin, Stanley, Bosch, Makita, Hitachi) that is cheapest, it is a common standard.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Oct 14 2020, 03:08 PM

If just for 1 time drilling, try this ....

https://www.12rent.my/

Are the bosch ones better or over rated?

Is this better or lesser than the Rotary:

https://www.lazada.com.my//products/i323316...EX&urlFlag=true


This post has been edited by Slash21: Oct 14 2020, 05:33 PM

Impact drill is NOT the same as Rotary Hammer. It is like kancil vs big truck load capacity.

This Bosch example you shared is an impact drill only, it is NOT a rotary hammer.
Impact drill on concrete will annoy your neighbours as you will take at least a minimum 5 minutes per hole in concrete (huffing n puffing coz u really need to LEAN into the tool summore), because this one is NOT a rotary hammer, it will be hard for it to attain the critical mass to break the concrete, almost like using plastic toy hammer.
Rotary hammer will drill holes in 10 seconds or less. Even a small frame person/females can easily operate one coz no need to press hard, just guide it smoothly and the tool will do all the work.

Concrete is very easy to break if your rotary hammer has enough power (hence they always state power in Joules) to smash through the concrete mass.
2.5J and above is great. 1.7J also can do but kena stone may have issue if your hole isn't deep enough yet.

Real rotary hammer will use SDS Plus (or SDS Max for real big job - construction heavy duty one) bits. Round shank is light duty for brickwall only.

This is SDS Plus bit, notice the slots and keyed grip


Bosch rotary hammer is going for RM419 for the GBH 2-24 DRE. https://www.lazada.com.my/products/bosch-ro...ghoCF5kQAvD_BwE

Makita HR2470 is around RM525.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Oct 14 2020, 08:32 PM

Many thanks for your detailed explanation. So the Bosch model you show is recommended?

For drilling holes to hang artwork or painting, what kind of head should I use?

Yes it will work fine the GBH 2-24 DRE will be perfect for your usage. A cheaper (but decent brand) like total or stanley rotary hammer also will work fine, as you're not doing 100 holes per hour mass installation works.

The bit for concrete is a SDS Plus drill bit for masonry, it looks like these, not necessary to get bosch bit (expensive) but any decent brand (makita/hitachi/irwin/stanley) also will work great as long as its SDS Plus:

https://shopee.com.my/Hikoki-(Hitachi)-SDS-...8386.3245113792

https://shopee.com.my/100-ORIGINAL-MAKITA-T...8128.3633186010

Usually in description these are the things you need to look for:

Hikoki (Hitachi) SDS Plus Drill Bit Broca 6mm / 8mm / 10mm

Features
-Suitable for masonry, concrete and reinforced concrete
-Appropriate for all rotary hammers with SDS-plus holder
-Diffusion bonding technology provides stronger carbide bond for a longer-lasting bit

Model: 401006 / 401008 / 401011
Drilling Dia. mm: 6mm / 8mm / 10mm
Overall Length: 110mm / 110mm / 160mm

Do note, wood plug also got sizes matching the screw thickness and length. You can get the 6mm drill bit that will be common size.
If your painting is like a TV weight 30kg++ then you might wanna consider to use sleeve anchor

Edit: there is also cheap rental option if you just need it one-off basis: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/381834746188466

This post has been edited by ceo684: Oct 15 2020, 08:13 PM

Does this come with the SDS drill? Thanks.

Unless indicated usually it does not.
Solo tool is just the tool only without all the bits.

Better to buy your own bits just the size you need as its cheaper than all-inclusive because all-in ones will add cost.

Boss I bought a Black and Decker cordless 18V drill thinking that it can drill through my concrete ceiling. But the most I can go is around 10-15 mm. I checked the product spec it says masonry limit is until 10 mm only.

How do I drill a hole deep enough to fit in a 3 cm wall plug ya? Will a 650w corded drill be sufficient? And is all concrete the same? Because I've seen people drilling concrete using 18V cordless drill before, and when I do it it's impossible for me to go any further.

18V rotary hammer or any corded rotary hammer using SDS+ slotted drill bit is the performance level you need.
Reinforced concrete floor slab (ceiling slab) is a material requiring a Mike Tyson punch when drilled. Otherwise all the prisoner would have dug big big hole in their prison cells to escape easily.
And only Mike Tyson punches from rotary hammer break concrete in 6 seconds per wall plug.

18V cordless drill driver, and any cheap corded drill "hammer drill" using those round drill bit basically is all the same regular untrained people like you and me.
If we were to take on Mike Tyson 1-on-1 in a boxing match probably we'll just end up in hospital or broken bones everywhere for life.
And even if you are willing to break every bone in your body just to fight Tyson, to make him even start to sweat will need you to "tahan" like 10-15 mins of his punches.
So that is how ineffective our weak punches are against Tyson level fighter. That is also how ineffective a normal "impact drill" is in concrete.
As per previous post, do not get another "untrained fighter" like me and you aka "hammer drill" to fight Tyson. It is ineffective.

Concrete strength gets harder over time. It can range from our national level boxing champion (maybe not broken bones for you and me but just black eyes) if its freshly cured within a couple years; or world champion Tyson level if its an old building made in the 1980s. You can buy bigger machines for those MRT/LRT rail pieces (Hilti level).

Concrete also can be made to different strengths depending on what the maincon ordered (as per requirement by architect/QS/project engineer). A 3-storey building may not need very strong concrete but typical high rise is like 40-50 storeys nowadays so it has to be stronger.

It also depends on exact material (AAC blocks i.e. lightweight aerated concrete "sponge" oversized bricks) vs RC (reinforced "poured" concrete).
AAC blocks may still be able to drill with 18V drill driver.
RC wall/RC floor slab, 5 mins also nothing much happen.

The question of your wall plug size.. if its one of the wood plug sized like a ciggie or anything finger size, then ANY rotary hammer will work, even the smaller BOSCH GBH 220 PROFESSIONAL ROTARY HAMMER WITH SDS 720W 4-22MM 3 MODES will work fine. Keyword: Rotary hammer

Rotary hammer is not expensive. For minimum standard Daewoo/Stanley/Total ones are around low 200 bucks, the lowest range corded GBH 220 Bosch about 320-330 bucks, and 18V rotary hammer (GBH180-LI)- the TOOL itself is not expensive but the battery is expensive. Since u already invested into the 18V B&D, I was gonna suggest just buying solo tool rotary hammer, but seems like there is none in the B&D product catalogue - prob because B&D is the lowest end of the Dewalt-Stanley-B&D group.

This post has been edited by ceo684: May 24 2021, 01:34 AM

Thanks , was wondering why I'm not making any progress when I'm drilling.

How about a 500w impact drill, will it work ? Just need to drill it in, even if it takes longer time

This post has been edited by victorian: May 24 2021, 01:39 AM

You could have hit a hard stone, or rebar at that spot.
its hard to tell with an "impact drill" since its all a hard journey but more likely the former.
with rotary hammer, it goes in sooooo easily that u instantly know if u hit something - then try again, if really cannot means u kena rebar already.

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As per previous post, do not get another "untrained fighter" like me and you aka "hammer drill" to fight Tyson. It is ineffective.
the 500W or 750W is just the eating appetite of the person when it comes to concrete.
if the person cannot throw a punch like Tyson, but the maximum punch is like small kid only, eat how much also useless.
The working principle of drilling in concrete requires the Tyson strong punch to break up the concrete. No need to be fast punches, just strong punches
U use toy plastic hammers to hit the concrete 40000 times a minute the concrete also won't break.

If you still insist to go for impact drill, you need to get something along the lines of the higher end GSB16RE (750W impact drill) which is not cost effective as this machine already cost as much OR more than a rotary hammer itself.

It must say ROTARY HAMMER for concrete.
U don't see installers/contractors carrying the cute orange toys for jobs do you?
They all use rotary hammer (Bosch, Makita, Hikoki).



This post has been edited by ceo684: May 24 2021, 01:59 AM


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A few holes just buy from Mr.DIY, last time was rm99 now maybe add 10%. SDS drill bit 6mm with some nylon wall plug settle. I hang 12U Server rack also can used this impact drill. So far no client died yet from falling server racks. Btw, for sever rack I used metal types wall plugs. Sorry, price from rm99 to almost 175 now
Drills

This post has been edited by adamw: May 24 2021, 02:00 AM

Rule of thumb for power tool, don't get the bargain basement one, easily overheat.
A decent one is only low 2xx bucks and still have secondhand scrap value if wanna dispose on FB marketplace.

TS is drilling few holes only but seriously I didn't realised rm99 5 years ago now is rm175. I used that for almost 5 years + before it konk. Damn worth my rm.

No la not going to purposely buy a new drill, because I just bought the cordless one. I have a impact drill at home, wanna give a go at it first. If really cannot then need to go borrow a rotary drill already

Impact ok ...just need strength to push when drilling plus use metal drill bit. Sure work.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: May 24 2021, 08:45 AM

if you drill ceiling with RC concrete with that you gonna take a long time since ceiling concrete is usually tougher, i bought my cheap Bossman 850w rotary hammer and it still take a while to drill a 5cm hole at my condo ceiling, but brick wall is twice as fast

and make sure you get a good stand and support so that you can push the drill against the ceiling, will take some practice

Update:

500w impact drill can't penetrate at all...

Looks like need to buy another rotary drill again...