Trust me, this is a bad deal.

New Phenom X2s (Kuma) will wipe the floor of the Athlon X2s, being clock to clock as competitive as C2D (and even more), launching at 2.6ghz and plenty of room to OC (3.0 air is definitely easy, 3.4 normal, above that might need voltmods for B3 stepping)

Yeah, 3.2Gig on 90nm is considered- wait, I don't know even where to start considering
It's pretty crazy considering the other 90nm chip to reportedly sell at a clock this high was Prescott-based, and that had a gazillion stages in its pipeline. For a 12-stager this is madness.

And hopefully brings hope for Phenoms to clock over 3.5Ghz stock in 65. If they can get the process mature quicker this time Penryn might actually have tougher competition lol. I have a feeling that they're staying at 65nm for some time (I do doubt Shanghai coming out so soon after Barcelona- wish they'd get high-k stuff into 45 or even 65 (if that is indeed possible with SOI))

My best guess is near RM1000 for the Phenom X4 2.4 ("normal"), under RM2500 for the Phenom FX X4 2.8.

Opterons will be slightly cheaper than their Xeon counterparts- they could be a little more expensive too- but at the end, the unsightly costs of FB-DIMMS and of switching a platform is still giving AMD lots of orders for Barcelona.

As for Phenoms, AFAIK they no longer have the platform price advantage (unless you want to use a Geforce 6100 mobo ) so AMD would price it a little more aggressive. On the other hand the TDP of the 65nm Stars CPUs are still quite impressive, considering what Intel's managing with 45.

EDIT: So I saw Penryn Xeon QCs weren't that cheap as expected lol.

This post has been edited by X.E.D: Aug 15 2007, 09:38 PM

Diminishing return.

You'd rather mature the 65nm process, which shouldn't be far far away. Q4's Barcelona chips (compared to Q3 ones) already can ramp higher, almost to the rate of 90nm Windsors- Brisbane never (officially) went there.

Get another stepping for Q1/Q2 08, and things could get interesting.