AMD also announced a new processor today at the Akiba event. The new processor is the Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Black Edition. It is rated at 3.2GHz. According to early data The CPU will have 2MB L2 cache and built on 90nm SOI. The TDP could be 125W.





http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.p...9043#post419043

Wow..Looks cool (the box). What does Black Edition means?

maybe the HSF is special in black colour

, sound nice... "Black Edition", heatsink black in color? i don't think so, but the IHS, maybe... or even the CPU core... black in color, sure nice ...

the box > intel box.

Sounds nice. However, I think the TDP would be a let-down for overclockers, as it is even higher then Intel's quad......

just the name like current intel "extreme" i show the highend one....

y all highend parts must be black color 1?

look mystery and cool~

The box damn nice one...when iz it arriving at msia??

maybe it comes from the darkside....jeng3~
why not using 65nm process???dunno what plans AMD have....

another weird marketing gimmick hehe............

may be the entire chip packing is black, shinning black processor..... wander if the stock processor heat sink is black too..........

What so special other then the black color?

once the cpu is installed into the system, who the heck cares about the packaging? and looking at the spec and TDP

can imagine the market price for this also

apart from technology/architecture .... AMD's 90nm is still on par with Intel's 65nm parts in term of power consumption

AMD just clearing up the old inventory, nothing too surprising or funny about that.

The F3 part has lower L2 cache latency than the G1 part, hence better performance.

F3 = 90nm
G1 = 65nm

And the F3 parts actually scales much better than G1 in terms of clockspeed (which is why I refuse to get a Brisbane)

AMD's 90nm heat dump is actually comparable to Intel's 65nm heat dump on the mainstream model. This 6400+ most likely targets high end hardcore AMD fanboys instead of average consumer.

This post has been edited by soulfly: Aug 14 2007, 11:31 AM

how much is that proc ?

6000+ is rm580, so tis should be abt 750ish???

aiya~ so sad... juz ordered X2 3.0GHz 6000+ last week... thought that i'm gonna use the best AMD proc in market... my cpu not yet arrive... already come a new cpu?

This post has been edited by omara86: Aug 13 2007, 06:37 PM

Wah! Black Label ar.............. can drink 1. Kekekekeke. If they make it in S939 I will buy it.

I think it is impossible AMD produce s939 X2 6400 lor, may only you and me will buy

Got what special features?

And when it will launched on my.

This post has been edited by Ickythump: Aug 13 2007, 07:04 PM

if S-939, wouldn't better than my current FX-60

Ur FX60 is only 2.6ghz ler. This Black Label can mabuk until 3.2ghz. That oso stock oni. Gif sumore black label the fella to minum sure can go higher.

that's whyla... i doubt if FX-60 win over this 6400+ ... anyway, both of you + me... interested in S-939 Black Edition (if any...)

maybe got special features?? higher oc-ability???
or extension of 128-bit?? (joking2) as AMD is the 1st using 64bit processor, it wouldn't be suprise if they developed 128bit...

limited edition?

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Added on August 13, 2007, 7:18 pmi thought FX has its multiplier unlocked. FX is better overclocker than Normal X2

This post has been edited by dattebayo: Aug 13 2007, 07:18 PM

yeap, unlocked, but it also depends on motherboard and RAM , i tried on 200 x 15, still cannot go ...

Give AMD a chance to regain some market share la guys... Pity for them.

I dont they need pity when they are almost dominating the market with their price for performance chips lor. I think Intel has to be the one to buck up lor coz not many can afford what intel has to give, compared to what amd can offer lor.

Btw, the X2 6400+ looks cool and mysterious But dunno about performance lar... maybe some forummer like Shawty or Ianho can buy and test and tell us whats the verdict of this 90nm proc

I wonder what is the price .. anyone have clue?

p/s: Need to hold on my purchase of new pc .. damn .. it's a beautiful box ..

for those who dunno...`
soufly already stated that.. 90nm better performance than 65nm for amd's processors...

meaning 90nm still stays with reason unless new architecture arise where 65nm performs better with it...

This post has been edited by soulfly: Aug 14 2007, 11:38 AM

Trust me, this is a bad deal.

New Phenom X2s (Kuma) will wipe the floor of the Athlon X2s, being clock to clock as competitive as C2D (and even more), launching at 2.6ghz and plenty of room to OC (3.0 air is definitely easy, 3.4 normal, above that might need voltmods for B3 stepping)

so black label like pentium 4 3.0 la..
better wait for phenom kan?? or is it kuma?
tapi still dual core kan?

This post has been edited by soulfly: Aug 14 2007, 11:38 AM

Count me in as well IF there is any for S939. Is this even released yet?

i'm more to know about OCability of this proc... since default 3.2ghz speed.. is it already reaching the wall for the windsor..
i wonder what's the voltage should be supplied for the default speed.. 1.6v maybe..

This post has been edited by soulfly: Aug 14 2007, 11:38 AM

i will bring in if they released s939 BE...lol
the BE already available in my supplier site, but not X2 6400++
name also quite confusing...
for example

AMD Athlon X2 Dual-Core Processor BE-2350(2.1GHz) AM2

this one also Black Edition rite

Chow

that's BE not Black Edition la.. lol..
Budget Energy maybe..

Marketing gimmick or a waste of funding? Either or none.

EDIT: Is it safe to assume that it can and probably will be overclocked by die-hard overclockers?

This post has been edited by Aoshi_88: Aug 14 2007, 10:23 AM

But with TDP 125W, I doubt it is highly OCable. At stock 3.2GHz, maybe can boost a bit but not until 4.0GHz

@8tvt: BE stands for Budget Energy? How bout Boost Efficiency?

Its kinda waste while phenom will be out in december. but still there are buyers out there and will buy the processor.

Like what I have mentioned earlier, probably AMD is just clearing up their inventories (silicon, etc.). Phenom is coming out soon, but it doesn't really matter. It's better to clear out old stocks than to throw it away when it's already expired, right?

6400+ is not really a new processor, it's just the same F3 which AMD already have, just binned higher.

Just the same thing as X2 6000+ clock at 3.0ghz, but this is clock at a higher clock rate which is 3.2ghz.

dont even know will it available in here? or just in japan only

Meaning, higher multiplier. Clearing current stock, but upgrade a bit existing one, something like that is it?

Wow, nice, but will be patient and wait for the phenom, then baru compare lol... No doubt that AMD is clearing their old inventory(like what soulfly said). I think those 6000+ no need to worry much as I think this wont be much diff until phenom comes out for action

Yeah, 3.2Gig on 90nm is considered- wait, I don't know even where to start considering
It's pretty crazy considering the other 90nm chip to reportedly sell at a clock this high was Prescott-based, and that had a gazillion stages in its pipeline. For a 12-stager this is madness.

And hopefully brings hope for Phenoms to clock over 3.5Ghz stock in 65. If they can get the process mature quicker this time Penryn might actually have tougher competition lol. I have a feeling that they're staying at 65nm for some time (I do doubt Shanghai coming out so soon after Barcelona- wish they'd get high-k stuff into 45 or even 65 (if that is indeed possible with SOI))

nice black box , beauty enought ! but the performance still cannot fight with certain conroe .. no worth for it , IMO

http://www.it.com.cn/f/diy/078/14/461668_2.htm



This post has been edited by likito: Aug 14 2007, 09:49 PM

For the mean time C2D still on top. X2 has been out for quite some time right? The only worth to be matched against C2D is Kuma, hopefully

That's the best comparison yet. However, I think AMD's strategy would be to price it cheaper than the E6850.

I think that would be the only way they can sell the proc, not counting the die-hard AMD followers.....

Hope this will regain some of the market share especially for AMD fanboy.

nice looking box. seem familiar. iphone?

this black edition is not the same as BE2xxx.

yeah, and new special black box

woot, that's what I expected, 3.5Ghz could OC it to 4.0Ghz Joking.

The black box is darn tempting, but better wait, and consider for Phenoms (will it be 65??)

Any idea how much will it cost when Phenoms come?? I'm are die-hard fans of AMD lol

Phenom sure on 65nm technology. Maybe the pricing will be a bit expensive than current C2D and C2Q now.

My best guess is near RM1000 for the Phenom X4 2.4 ("normal"), under RM2500 for the Phenom FX X4 2.8.

Opterons will be slightly cheaper than their Xeon counterparts- they could be a little more expensive too- but at the end, the unsightly costs of FB-DIMMS and of switching a platform is still giving AMD lots of orders for Barcelona.

As for Phenoms, AFAIK they no longer have the platform price advantage (unless you want to use a Geforce 6100 mobo ) so AMD would price it a little more aggressive. On the other hand the TDP of the 65nm Stars CPUs are still quite impressive, considering what Intel's managing with 45.

EDIT: So I saw Penryn Xeon QCs weren't that cheap as expected lol.

This post has been edited by X.E.D: Aug 15 2007, 09:38 PM

the AMD phonem X2 kuma will release early next year . hope that can outperform c2d with reasonabe price.

So i herd i was mentioned in thread. Is i r famous

Anyways, here's my two cents, everyone knows that a more mature process has better yields, a more stable process and the producers damn well know how to optimize it better. Same thing with the high speeders of every generation, be it the original Gallatin EE from Intel (the Prescott was smaller), the R520 (the Rv530 was smaller), the R600 (the Rv630 was also smaller) and such. Coincidence?

Due to yields and many other things like gate level optimizations implemented along the way which the smaller and newer process doesn't possess, it's often easier for manufacturers to crank up the raw clock speed on older processes. Of course if you compare 2 processes at the same level of maturity, but one is built on a new process, the newer one obviously wins, but the point is here is cronology. The old 90nm process has been here for 4 years and the 65 has been here for 2

When a process is new, what people generally concentrate on is yield value, rather than just raw speed loh. Something like that. Waits for fishy to hammer me.

Do u mean if Phenom is develop on 90nm technology process the frequency could be higher?

Yes, but the heat leves due to the amount of transistors and other factors would be insane, and the amount of money put into making silicon wafers would be bloody prohibitive.

90nm =.="" Won't it become noisy proc edi??

yeah...
im waiting for that 1

Diminishing return.

You'd rather mature the 65nm process, which shouldn't be far far away. Q4's Barcelona chips (compared to Q3 ones) already can ramp higher, almost to the rate of 90nm Windsors- Brisbane never (officially) went there.

Get another stepping for Q1/Q2 08, and things could get interesting.

who cares the packaging ?..... how abt the performances if compare to intel c2q?

How is the performance ???
Black edition ??

If you means this AMD X2 6400+ Black Edition, this processor still cant compete with current high end Core 2 Duo processor. The reason why AMD released this processor i think it is a riddle for us. So far, I saw someone sell X2 6000+ at heaven price only RM4xx in this form. So, when 6400+ launch, how much for 6400+ can sell??? Some more Intel also decreasing their Core 2 Duo processor price....zzz

wow.... nice stuff dude..... is lowyat sell this proc now.... where to find it.....

it probably means the death (sarcastically) of K8 processor. in other words, the last processor of K8. in my opinion, this cpu isnt a bad deal if it can b priced lower than 6600 of intel. how much it cost by the way?

blum sampai lagi wey...mabe in few mths time

Athlonx2 6000 at rm4xx is very worth leh, where the E6750 also need rm5xx...

dont compare 6000+ with C2D E4xxx and E2xxx lah

This post has been edited by dattebayo: Aug 20 2007, 12:00 AM

thts good, everything drop price, and consumer gain. hehe. everyone happy.

Black Edition has been released in the U.S! http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/33465/118/

Apparently, can get as low as US260!!

with that price.. better get like ur proc right?

US 260 => (260 *3.5) RM9XX
hell price

wad special on it? the box looks prettier onli? or the clock faster thn original 6400?