theres nothing wrong going with this line up if your playstyle fits thou

razor's main dmg comes from his physical, and hes a very greedy dps, meaning you wont have much rotation when its his turn

if youre planning to use him as main dps, you pretty much build your team around him, so its either shatter or superconduct comp

so its razor, mona, kaeya, barbara, lisa or if you want to add sucrose for mobbing purposes thats fine too, but her cd is high, work around these units for your needed comp.

If you dont plan to use razor, you can try mona as dps too, amber to proc fire, then vaporise with mona.

But id test them out first before investing, both comps have really different playstyle, not everyone likes playing mona on the long run, her dodge is pretty skittish.

Wise words dear sir. Too costly to try out. From my experience he need one that lash out super high damage. If I am him I will focus on mona 5* farm till another compatible 5* appear. Like you said to build around your main dps. I will choose barbara as healer , kaeya and razor just for superconduct but not main. He just need roll until pitiful appeared.

This post has been edited by Theoutspokenguy: Dec 14 2020, 09:31 PM

IMO sucrose is the best support for my team now. With instructor artifact she can give a lot of elemental mastery to other teammate. My diluc can do both sick elemental and physical damage thanks to her.

But I admit my sucrose is a whale. She is c6 using R5 sacrificial fragment. Her E can throw almost non stop.

I no expert but I'm smart enough to know I'm been insulted, so it's okay for you made mistake but other people makes it they are stupid? what mistake you said that person do? not reroll account? keep playing with 4 star? tell people to have fun? you hate razor user? if you are talking about not co-op with people I did it some time AND I can even solo it now not perfect, you keep telling people not to invest 4 star but you try to turn Diona in to damage dealer, anyone with half a brain will know Diona is not build to be damage dealer, so is okay for only you can invest in 4 star other people do so they are stupid? ALRIGHT let's just say for a moment I'm wrong made a big mistake, what give you the right to insult people? you own this forum? you make the rule?

I say it again, their are more then one way to play a game, not everything need to be 5 star, I can kill every enemy with my razor team, yes it takes time, if people want to solo play 4 star what give you the right to insult them?

This post has been edited by Maxmiller: Dec 15 2020, 09:19 AM

Already almost 50 wishes still no zhong im so sad

This post has been edited by Rubypoyo: Dec 15 2020, 09:43 AM

i did massive pull on last banner to get Ningguang C1 because she is my fav, may not be the best but she is fun.

and i didn't get her C1... wanna flip table... 😂

Me got Nigguang C1 but she still lvl 1
She need her husbondo beside her, Zhong faster come home

Finally bro you admit you are the expert and no one insulting you while you sharing all the wrong mistakes. How can you be stupid if you are an expert.

Mr. Expert how we wanna build how is up to us not up to your mistakes. Your mistake is only for your account so don't keep confuse between your expert in mistake and our own preferences.

I am not an expert like you but for everyone I wanna share resource are limited I am happy to focus on 5* and my 5* are doing very well at lvl 48 at world ascension 6. With my 5* stars talent at lvl 7 to 8 I feel its great.

You can see all my 4* i give rubbish artifacts and I still beat hell of everything I face.

While diona I didn't upgrade her to max I just testing her out because abyss I need 2 healers because I am switching artifact between barbara so its okay because I am not expert like you so I ask advice to help build her. So I am asking should I use cri and cri dmg artifact or any not because its costly to upgrade because mora and upgrade material are scared for a slow player like us but for an expert like yourself insulting my build make you the best. I am fine.

And you are right learn to respect others who give you the right to insult others because you are an expert making mistake.. wow now u claim you own a forum? So means u feel you own the forum you got right insulting others? Come on bro chill this just a forum discussion we come here to share and help each other.

Even you feel you own the forum and an expert in this game and feel intent to insult others chill mate take it easy.

Just my advice dont take a game so seriously just share your opinion and let others make their final decision its their game not yours, not mine or any others. If you feel insulted, offended, annoyed as usual just don't visit this thread. Your problem is solved.

Share any great tips you found help people grow faster in this game because mistakes or not its just a learning curve we all go through together.

If you feel 4* are your game feel free to go for it but my opinion should focus on 5* . I am no expert like you so I will not explain

This post has been edited by Theoutspokenguy: Dec 15 2020, 10:02 AM

haha i like what you think bro,

i play domains with player who play zhongli and yeah, these two make a good match up in terms of defensive play. i like the part where zhongli petrify them and Ningguang just keep nuking without interruption.

also zhongli provided breaks for other close combat players who need it at times.




edit:
also... jelly Ningguang C1 😆

This post has been edited by drloveplenty: Dec 15 2020, 10:00 AM

Well, Zhong Li pretty weak now, and require lots of investment if you go for DPS, unless shield build, better save ur pity for next banner...or Gan Yu,

Altho Buff Test for 1.3 announced by MHY, but we still dont knw what buff he might get, plus theres might a re-run for his banner when 1.3 Buff roll out, because its kinda weird to buff a character that not available to roll, especially when you make him too weak

I saw domain with zhong li and ning monster die like butter.

I tried the demo didn't like it as dps too slow

I saving primo gems for next roll now just exceed 10k zhong li is good to have .

This post has been edited by Theoutspokenguy: Dec 15 2020, 10:07 AM

I need zhongli not for dps yada3, i need him for ARTS

yeah her attack speed is not for everyone even with the move + attack trick to speed up her attack is still slow, almost to claymore speed level haha

heck i think claymore might be faster..

but i am glad i got her 😊

Wow nice find
Shielding, geo resonance, miners haha

ironic coming from the guy that insulted me saying i don't know AR45 dungeons when i was trying to help you

Zhong Li is cool no doubt, attack animation so cool especially that kick attack...but man that damage is depressing...level 70 and you see the kick attack with double digit damage pop out...lol...and the pulse from the totem, more Geo Structure more dmg? Unless with Geo MC burst skill and C1 Zhong Li, and about 5-10 Sec wait time...

Actually all spear user suks with dmg lol, spear definitely need rework (Beta Xiao doesnt count )

I use diona but mostly for coop runs on ar50, you have to decide whether u wanna full dps or full sup, in between semi build make her bad.

4 support

u can go with 2 maiden for heal bonus n
2 bolide for shield bonus/2 noblesses for ult dmg. (focus on hp, crit stat for favonius bow)

4 maiden for full heal. ofc all hp stat. ur coop team will never die.

i personally i went with 4 noblesses to proc ult bonus. (all with hp, crit, stat priority)

Use Favonius Warbow, to charge ur ult. can spam everytime its off cd.


4 dps
use sacifical bow spam e. or that harp crit bow.

if u have c4, go with 4 wanderer. spam charged shots under ult buff.

c0-ect use any artifacts its the same as any dps
just not as good.

Thank you. Appreciate that my resources are so limited that why need great advice so I can reduce cost to test.

Like barbara I tested healing and hp. With healing % at same level its higher than hp stats.

I will test out your recommendation.

by design, zhongli is built as a support, tbf alot units pales in comparison when it comes to dps if we bring diluc or childe into equation, or any claymore/catalyst unit for that matter so yeah...

im not gonna delve into too much discussion as alot more developed and better ones about zhongli designs as a whole had been made on other places, he is flawed but certainly not below A tier.
Current conclusion being his shield benefits most when you already have a main dps. versatility wise, i find him easy to fit into most of my current comp, and his burst is easily cheap dps.

xiangling had been my 2nd dps since i started the game, running crescent pike on her, shes currently my 2nd wave team main dps for floor 12-1 pushing.
her pyronado is great if you manage your energy recovery well, id rate her normal attacks to be at least A tier too.

Xiao isint out yet and hes already nerfed like twice in beta(beta mods is around x2 or x3), those are very inflated numbers compared to normal servers.
and most of his dps comes from his elemental attacks on leaks if you noticed, which comes to my main point.
Alot people seems to be comparing spear users dps from a normal attack perspective, zhongli with proper physical build can rake up to 3k+ crit per swing,
by dps standards, thats above average, you can hit higher than that with xiangling due to her normal attack talent mods, not to mention she has her pyronado too.

Elemental attacks will ALWAYS deal more endgame, their modifiers and target resistance design just makes it so,
unless theres a domain buff or target design, end game dps physical dmg falls off, thats why alot of the early physical keqing mains are slowly moving back to electro builds.
but from a spear unit (we only have 2 currently lol) perspective, they are still far from "suks" if we are to weigh in overall dps and make use of their full kit.

Oh and xiangling is free