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TSAnAngel65
post Sep 10 2020, 01:44 PM, updated 6y ago

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Hi All,

My father is a serious gambler and despite saying he wants to quit, he kept falling back in. He's living in a different city from me and he doesnt really talk to us (his kids) much.
He went to this anti-gamble support group once but its based on Christianity and kinda scared him (he's a bit anti-Christianity), so cant really find other support group thats suitable.
Im hoping to find some whatsapp group or discussion place at least he have some other fella he can talk to.

Thanks all for your help.
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post Sep 10 2020, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Sep 10 2020, 02:52 PM)
Seems like the same place that I wanna recommend. Got one church in Sg Besi and centre in Johor?

Can tell him that no need to join the religion but can still get support from them
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He is in Sarawak Kuching. Any support group online is welcome.
Yes he can not join the religion, but the overall support and ambience is different, he is old man and gets sensitive when it comes to religious.
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post Sep 10 2020, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Sep 10 2020, 03:53 PM)
Unfortunately I don't know any support groups in Sarawak.

Also points to consider:
1. Online support don't really work, need human interaction and face to face to get that raw emotion out
2. Also in order for him to get help, he needs to let people in and not shut people out
3. He also have to realise that it is a problem
4. Remove his access to excessive money

Good luck!
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We already remove his access to money, and its been a battle for a few years already. He says he want to change, but then he falls back from time to time.

Thanks for taking the time to reply anyway, I will try my best to give him support.
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post Sep 10 2020, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Sep 10 2020, 03:59 PM)
Very normal to fall back from time to time. Can't undo a habit overnight. Another way is for him to find another hobby or activity to occupy his time
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Suggested, but I think its from the stress where my mum health is unstable and declining. Hence, hobby suggestion always got denied.
I just wish I know the right word to say to him, or what i can do more.
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post Sep 10 2020, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(SmallPenguin @ Sep 10 2020, 04:06 PM)
I have a close friend of mine and her grandparent is also serious gamble. Incurred close to 7 figure of debt to the family.

Gambling is like smoking, you just cant change/force the person to (unless "real force"). Smokers know the impact to their health but keep smoking. The gambler sees the impact to the family and still wont change.

The only way to change is the person himself willing to, otherwise no people can.

Dont think about talk nicely it is useless, if the gambler himself can already see the impact and still no feeling, talking only is just flapping your mouth, here say "Yes yes I will change" but turn around go gamble again

As suggested from another forumer above, limit the money, scrutinize all the expenses. Keep him busy, find him a hobby, (even playing golf is cheaper than gambling) Almost 99.99% expenses will be cheaper than gambling debt
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I feel like he knows the impact and he is willing, but when the stress comes he cant control...
I'll try my very best to get him to start new hobby.

QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Sep 10 2020, 04:08 PM)
Nice words won't work.

Harsh, cry if you have to, beg, shout, scream....as I said, need raw emotions.

Need it from him as well. Else it won't be impactful enough to induce change
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Man, very hard to express their emotion. Very very hard for them to even talk.
I held myself from those big emotions as he very rarely find me to talk about it, dont wanna spook him and that he never even find me to talk to.
Highly judging myself whether I do the right method.
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post Sep 10 2020, 04:46 PM

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And i guess a very hard thing for me is that Im diff state from him so Im not around, can only communicate via phone and when im back its short period so couldnt do much.

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post Sep 11 2020, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(SmallPenguin @ Sep 10 2020, 05:14 PM)
A lot factors we don't know:
- Is he retired?
- How is your family or your financial situation?
- How much he spend on gambling? What type? How often?

All these factors matter as well, for example if its just 4D Toto and spend less than say couple 10 ringgits a day then the problem is not big. If its like casino, and thousands and thousands ringgit then you can more choices.

As for hobby, you cant do 1 person hobby, need a group of people. Cycling and golfing is quite popular for older people

Edit: Same goes to your diff state, if its many money involved and real serious, you should try to go back for a short period of time and "fix" him
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He's semi retired, when it first bursted he loan a lot of money (very serious, up to few hundred k) from bank and card. Slowly pay back and then he stopped for some time. Then now on and off he dropped back so few hundred or thousand per month. The uncontrollable is the scary thing.

Family wise my mum has health issue, unstable and slowly declining, hence his stress and urge to gamble to get rid of the anxiety and worry.

Its better if im around so i can bring him to join those hobby or club, asking him to join is a hard thing. old people can be stubborn. For now I still try to help here, if things dont get better then i have to sacrifice my work and life here.

QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Sep 10 2020, 05:15 PM)
People rarely budge when still in comfort zone. If you wanna see change, push him into a corner.

My 2 cents from personal exp
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Yes, I agree. There's outburst during the early gamble time, and my dad went good for i think half a year. And it slowly relapse, and with my mum condition he grew even more reluctant to let her know.
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post Sep 11 2020, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(SmallPenguin @ Sep 11 2020, 10:21 AM)
Hmm if say few hundred to 1000 a month, are you okay with instead of spending that kind of money on gambling but on others? Or potentially you add on a few hundreds to do even more things and fill up his time.

Old people has "face" as well if he can and understand he has anxiety and worry, my suggestion is bring whole family to go see a psychologist. The doctor will be in a better position and come out with even better ideas how to tackle it. Cannot let him go alone, need you and potentially your mum as well. So you will have more cards to play out
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Well amount is one issue, but the intention is my concern. If he's playing for interest, for fun, then few hundred per month actually i dont mind. But i can see that he actually wants to stop but that he cant, i guess its phsycological issue and hes in distress too, thats why I want to help.

He went before, with my mother together, overgo series of sessions, even tried medication. All worked but not forever. And when it comes back he lost confidence in the previous method.


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post Sep 11 2020, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Sep 11 2020, 10:26 AM)
Introduce him to gambling god or demo forex gambling.
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Um.. is this joking or?
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post Sep 11 2020, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(SmallPenguin @ Sep 11 2020, 03:01 PM)
Hmm psychological issue in my experience can only be solved my ownself, he has to walk out of that "thing"

I used to have a psychological issue which I think part of my body is sick, and I can feel it so vividly, but went to specialist all the checkups, blood test, show my body is normal. Then I went to see two different psychologists. Doctors werent useful because "they dont understand", I thought like that at that time. But at last, I able to walk out of that "thing" and the sickness solve itself.

Then you can only try to make him busy filled up his day with different things, so his mind wont be attracting to the negative side. Its like even when a child is sick, you give him play computer games he will be happy and can play, UNLESS he is very sick cant even get up from bed.

From your explanation, your father should not be "very sick". And your mum unfortunately can be an issue, since he knows his love one may go soon. This is unfortunate add a lot negative to him. Try religion/hobby/new friends. One thing for sure, experiment never fail. But you will need to fork out some extra money for him to experiment
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Thank you very much for your reply, yes its very true and useful to me. I believe he's undergoing similar experience. Walking out of that "thing" is a very hard and tiring process, I believe he runs out of patience and belief, I just hope I can keep it running again.

Yes my mum issue is a big cutback for his process, its like he hit a large rock on road. And apart from getting his phsycological to be strong, theres nothing much we can do regarding my mum sickness. Hence im opening this thread, hoping to find him some "friends"...

Really thanks for your reply.
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post Sep 11 2020, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(SmallPenguin @ Sep 11 2020, 04:41 PM)
No need to thank me I just accidentally came across this thread, I dont usually look at this part of lowyat lol

Try not to "force" since older people they have "face" to take care. For example "hey dad I found you these few people heres their contacts go chat with them". If I were your dad my reaction is WTF. Because as said above, HE need to walk out that "thing", HE HIMSELF. So he has to find the friends himself if he wants to, but you can do something behind. For example if he wants to do cycling but cannot find local cycling group. You can find it first then push him and suggest "how about try to go search online, how about check this forum see they got cycling group or not, how about go ask the bicycle shop owner" (which you know the have as you done your research)

Few things you can do now is like how about repaint the whole house (new look, new environment, take time to do it, dont cost much)

If your mum is the root issue of your dad problem, you better tackle it now, cuz if one day if your mum is not here anymore, I dont dare to think about the impact on your dad
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Wow.. what u mentioned is actually how i would do.. LOL
Because if he doesnt have the initiative to start anything or try anything then all i can think is i introduce it to him.. I guess i AM kind of pushy in this way..

Remodelling house already done, in fact he spend most of his evening time doing that now, but when the stress come its not the money or the time issue anymore.

Yes I know, thats my concern now too. But I really dont dare to push too much, so what i can do now is just to call him more to casual talk at least and hopefully he can open his heart or at least feel better so that he have strength and feel the push to walk out.
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post Sep 11 2020, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(SmallPenguin @ Sep 11 2020, 05:17 PM)
You know "sometimes it feels better to share with someone you don't know on internet rather than a close family member"? Of course every family different, but myself is this type. I dont know your father is this type or not. If he is, he will be more likely to tell friends rather than open up to own daughter lol

Back when I still having the "mysterious illness", when stress/illness comes, at very very first I get panicked "OMG why it came again"
After i see the specialists, I take the "fake medicine" and distract myself doing other things, like play games
Then slowly overtime, when I not care about it anymore, one day it just disappear, totally, i didnt even realize it was gone

of course nowadays sometimes when "it" comes back, it is nothing to me now, i realized what "it" is, i may be in stress, then i "eat" the stress, and "it" will go away itself. Maybe your dad play gambling because the "high" of the game make him forget about the stress, same as when I played video games all my concentration put on the screen, then it go away. I not suggest this but maybe some Facebook online casino game is an alternative for your dad, just make sure he dont spend real money on the game

that said, your dad himself need to take care of "it" himself, you can help but how much effective i dont know.
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Yes I do know, but yeah im not sure what type he is too. I thought of introducing him to lowyat group too, but then 1. Im afraid he read this post LOL, and 2. Hes not good with words and typing actually, so I doubt he will find comfort in text.

It sounds to me like the "fake medicine" actually helps. He did took some meds too and do other things to distract, it just came back up when stress comes and he werent strong enough to withstand.

Yes I told him also that HE is the only savior to himself. I also hope I can do more.

Thanks anyway for your reply, it made me feel much better like im not alone.

This post has been edited by AnAngel65: Sep 11 2020, 05:41 PM

 

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