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 Buying factory OC gfx = waste money?, what say you?

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post Aug 11 2007, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(VT-Ten @ Aug 10 2007, 02:05 PM)
Been reading slizone and was surprised to see that the officials of SLI Zone claimed that it's a waste of money paying extra for factory pre-oc cards.

As we all know, alot of manufactures tries to stand out from each other when it comes to selling their "value-for-money" products. Increased clocks, redesign cooler (and even partnership with renown cooling specialists), longer warranty, 90-days step up program, gold plated DVI connectors are some of the examples the manufactures do to outshine their competitors.

As most of us are interested in performance rather than anything else, do you think it's worth paying a little extra for the pre-oc cards, or, rather buy the reference speed cards and OC it yourself?
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For them is a small deal, in their mind, those little bucks wont effect anything.
And you pay extra bucks for extra performance isn't ?
For me, I will Buy the OC'ed card if the price is not much different on reference card.
*SLI zone is those "western men" forum. All using godly system rig
e.g. Core 2 Extreme QX6700, 8800Ultra SLI, 2x 150GB Raptor and bla bla bla...even PSU cost us Rm1,000.

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post Aug 12 2007, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(sniper69 @ Aug 10 2007, 09:39 PM)
as for my personal preference icon_idea.gif, getting a "Overclocked Edition", "Extreme Edition", "Ultra Edition", "XXX" or "Super..." is good for newly in overclocks scene, well the way i see it, most of pre-overclocked card already comes with pre-overvoltage as well as usually comes with good PCB design, solid capacitor and good cooling solution too...
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Depend on luck too... Some Pre-OC cards are very stable, minor problem some may encounter overheat, artifact or hanged while gaming.

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post Aug 12 2007, 09:01 AM

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ok la guys. make it simple.

since you all argue about OCed cards worth it or not, i'd say it's up to you BUT here's the results of 1 of the benches for my review of Galaxy 8600GT OC Edition

The following was done on F.E.A.R at 1152 x something resolution. max details, CPU settings minimum.

86GT 540/700 = 21/38/76
86GT OC 600/800 = 23/43/86
86GT OC being OCed 660/860 = 24/47/94

all in all - it goes back to how much additional you pay for the OCed card and how much you're willing to pay for the speed gain.
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post Aug 12 2007, 09:54 AM

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it's 1152 x 864 icon_idea.gif

hmm.gif, anyway... buying OCed card, limiting our overclock adventure while getting a normal/plain non-OC card, we could get wider overclocking since it's not pre-overclocked if you guys know what i mean...
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post Aug 12 2007, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(sniper69 @ Aug 12 2007, 09:54 AM)
it's 1152 x 864 icon_idea.gif

hmm.gif, anyway... buying OCed card, limiting our overclock adventure while getting a normal/plain non-OC card, we could get wider overclocking since it's not pre-overclocked if you guys know what i mean...
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Well, for me, those who does not need to fuss of OCing the card further, just go ahead and get an OCed version rather than a plain one. If you are those enthuasist who need to OC even higher, either one will do it for you depending on the price and performance ratio.. smile.gif
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post Aug 12 2007, 11:03 AM

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off topic....

can it be SLI if different clock speed?
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post Aug 12 2007, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Aug 12 2007, 11:03 AM)
off topic....

can it be SLI if different clock speed?
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Yes, but the Nvidia driver will set both of your graphic card to be the same as either one that has lower speed.

Let's say first graphic card is on 650MHz core clock while the 2nd one is on 550MHz core clock, once you're on SLi, the Nvidia driver will automatically set the the first graphic card to follow the core clock of the lower clock speed that is the 2nd graphic card.
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post Aug 13 2007, 12:12 AM

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As tweaking program like RT and ATI Tools can help to overclock an OEM cards to (or probably higher) pre-oc cards with stability, there's 1 thing that we cant OC; shader clocks.

Here's what I've noticed from both my 8 series gc. my reference card (Asus 8800GTS 320) is running at about 1188mhz shader clock. As shader clock increase in propotion to core clock, I've managed to have a stable OC with 1418 mhz shader clock (from stock core 500mhz to 631mhz).

On the other hand, XFX 8800GTS XXX has a pre OC core clock at 580mhz (reference clock 500mhz). WHen I OC the XFX's core to 631mhz, the shader clock jumps from 1512mhz to 1620mhz.

Here's a summary table of both the cards;

Asus 8800GTS 320 MB | 500/1600/1188 (core/memory/shader)
XFX 8800GTS 320 MBXXX | 580/1800/1512 (core/memory/shader)


As shader clocks increases when core increases, I've set the core clock to 631mhz and compare both the shaders.

Asus 8800GTS 320 MB | 631/1884/1418 (core/memory/shader)
XFX 8800GTS 320 MBXXX | 631/1884/1620 (core/memory/shader)

The result shows that pre-OC cards hv higher shader clocks compared to reference card despite the same core clocks.

As of now, neither RT nor Ati Tools (pls correct me if i'm wrong) is unable to control the shader clock, Getting pre-oc cards seems to be the better deal here; as far as the unified shader domain is concerned.

Just my 2 cents.





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post Aug 13 2007, 01:28 AM

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For 8800series better go for normal then oc. Save the RM200++ for other parts.
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post Aug 13 2007, 01:48 AM

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QUOTE(Anwark @ Aug 13 2007, 01:44 AM)
just asking does graphic card also have something called stepping,revision where some revision oc higher than the other like amd and intel cpu
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Nope.
Version maybe which is Overclocked Edition, Ultra Edition or some other edition, but i never heard of GC have reivision, stepping laugh.gif

You want a GC that is easier to overclocked, get those that has been factory Pre-overclocked. smile.gif
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post Aug 13 2007, 02:11 PM

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oced card if rosak can claim warranty or...
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QUOTE(nelienuxe_sara @ Aug 13 2007, 02:11 PM)
oced card if rosak can claim warranty or...
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....... sweat.gif
Offcourse can ler. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Anwark @ Aug 13 2007, 01:44 AM)
just asking does graphic card also have something called stepping,revision where some revision oc higher than the other like amd and intel cpu
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different stepping @ revison, no
but got some model which used diff core( i forgot the core name )
such as 6200 early model uses 6600 IIRC,

same as 7800GS agp which some manufacturers like Gainward used 7900GT core smile.gif

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post Aug 13 2007, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 13 2007, 02:21 PM)
....... sweat.gif
Offcourse can ler. wink.gif
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if there is no physical damage on the card
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post Aug 14 2007, 12:38 AM

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Simply said just put it to RMA and wait for the result. Mostly they just change to new one.
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post Aug 16 2007, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 13 2007, 02:21 PM)
....... sweat.gif
Offcourse can ler. wink.gif
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wut i mean if u oc the normal 1 then broke down
woooooohhhhhhhoooooooooooo to ur 8800gt ulra or wut so ever


Added on August 16, 2007, 8:03 pm
QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 13 2007, 02:21 PM)
....... sweat.gif
Offcourse can ler. wink.gif
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wut i mean if u oc the normal 1 then broke down
woooooohhhhhhhoooooooooooo to ur 8800gt ulra or wut so ever

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post Aug 16 2007, 08:10 PM

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software oc wont void ur warranty
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post Aug 16 2007, 08:10 PM

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software oc wont void ur warranty
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post Aug 17 2007, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Aug 16 2007, 08:10 PM)
software oc wont void ur warranty
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software oc won't void warrenty? then using what method will void? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(stanley85 @ Aug 17 2007, 04:05 PM)
software oc won't void warrenty? then using what method will void?  rclxub.gif
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