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 Malaysia Shut Down 3G Network By The End of TBA, Long life 2G

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post Jun 12 2021, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 12 2021 @ 01:46 PM)
Likely because a 4G LTE cell tower has a maximum range of only 5km/3miles while a 3G/2G cell tower has a max range of 32km/20 miles, wrt a handphone receiving voice calls/SMS.  The larger coverage by 3G/2G cell towers is crucial in rural areas, eg emergency 999 calls.

Why 4G LTE cell towers have such a short range.? = likely because it is a pure Internet protocol like VoIP = needs much more power to transmit over long range of 32km/20 miles = can be harmful to the health of nearby residents. .......

https://www.zdnet.com/article/nbn-approache...f-7-kilometres/ - NBN-approaches-1Gbps-using-mmWave-5G-over-distances-of-7-kilometres - 12 Jan 2021
= using more powerful 5G uni-directional mmWave(24GHz - 86GHz) transceivers for Fixed Wireless Internet. Afaik, max range of a normal 5G mmWave multi-directional (= low-power) smallcell base-station is about 400m only - normally only deployed in downtown city areas, shopping malls, stadiums, concert halls or places with high foot-traffic.
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QUOTE(joshhd @ Jun 12 2021, 08:47 PM)
Err... This statement not so accurate.

The frequency bands for 2G, 3G and 4G ranges as low as 700MHz all the way up to 2600MHz,

lower frequency = wider coverage, commonly used in areas with less users, like rural areas
higher frequency = smaller coverage, commonly used in dense areas

So it is not accurate to overgeneralise coverage range solely based on the mobile generation alone, like 2G, 3G, 4G or 5G. There are many factors needs to be considered too, especially the band frequency, technical modulation, location, surroundings, obstructions, and so on.

Let's say if the 3G 2100MHz tower is being refarmed/repurposed to 4G 2100MHz, you'd still get similar or better coverage performance like what you had on 3G network also.

As for 5G, it has sub-1GHz bands, sub-6GHz bands and mmWave,
For 5G, if the frequency band uses mmWave (24GHz onwards), definitely the range won't go far. It could be around 200-400 metres per cell site.
To achieve wider coverage on mmWave, you'll need to deploy more cell sites to cover the large area.
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Looks like you are correct, ie the celcos can choose the power-setting for their 4G/3G/2G cell towers to have different range depending on the deployment area, eg urban/city or rural areas. My apologies. .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_(telecomm...ation)#Features - 4G LTE
"Support for cell sizes from tens of metres radius (femto and picocells) up to 100 km (62 miles) radius macrocells. In the lower frequency bands to be used in rural areas, 5 km (3.1 miles) is the optimal cell size, 30 km (19 miles) having reasonable performance, and up to 100 km cell sizes supported with acceptable performance. In the city and urban areas, higher frequency bands (such as 2.6 GHz in EU) are used to support high-speed mobile broadband. In this case, cell sizes may be 1 km (0.62 miles) or even less."
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post Jun 13 2021, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(extercy @ Jun 12 2021, 10:31 AM)
Will 2G still be around ? Isn't it suppose to be 2G and 3G to go at the same time meaning the minimum will be 4G LTE and above only ?
This is what is causing the confusion. I know that it is not so simple hence wanting to know more because me getting the same answer from both smartphone manufacturer and telco is ask the other party if they have VoLTE . taichi back and forth.
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Chill..
2G would still be around...
Many still uses it...
Now the plan is shut down 3G & move towards 4G & later 5G...
That's the plan... But who knows with gomen famous King of U Turn.. might be delay or not for various reasons which includes the famous "got FMCO, cannot work" 😜
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post Jun 13 2021, 11:22 PM

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Wondering what will happen to my house area once 3g is shut down. We're only just starting to have access to unifi fibre 2-3 months ago thanks to covid, pdpr and wfh necessity. Theres around 10-15 houses here by the hillside and 3g is spotty 1-2 bar, 100dbm+ most of the time. Theres no 4g signal at all. Even basic things like taking calls or receiving banks otp means we need to hurry to nearest window all the time. The unifi availability might at last made them considering to erect a new tower here but maybe "just" for the 10-15 houses aren't profitable to those telcos.
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QUOTE(axxer @ Jun 13 2021, 11:22 PM)
Wondering what will happen to my house area once 3g is shut down. We're only just starting to have access to unifi fibre 2-3 months ago thanks to covid, pdpr and wfh necessity. Theres around 10-15 houses here by the hillside and 3g is spotty 1-2 bar, 100dbm+ most of the time. Theres no 4g signal at all. Even basic things like taking calls or receiving banks otp means we need to hurry to nearest window all the time. The unifi availability might at last made them considering to erect a new tower here but maybe "just" for the 10-15 houses aren't profitable to those telcos.
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Wah, battery must drain very fast everytime
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post Jun 14 2021, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(axxer @ Jun 13 2021, 11:22 PM)
Wondering what will happen to my house area once 3g is shut down. We're only just starting to have access to unifi fibre 2-3 months ago thanks to covid, pdpr and wfh necessity. Theres around 10-15 houses here by the hillside and 3g is spotty 1-2 bar, 100dbm+ most of the time. Theres no 4g signal at all. Even basic things like taking calls or receiving banks otp means we need to hurry to nearest window all the time. The unifi availability might at last made them considering to erect a new tower here but maybe "just" for the 10-15 houses aren't profitable to those telcos.
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Report to mcmc??
Also your local YB...

Nowadays seems like those YBs very efficient.. "working to solve people problem" 😁
Can see in FB/socmed....
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https://www.howtogeek.com/733116/when-are-u...ir-3g-networks/

US shut down 3G
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post Jun 14 2021, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(axxer @ Jun 13 2021, 11:22 PM)
Wondering what will happen to my house area once 3g is shut down. We're only just starting to have access to unifi fibre 2-3 months ago thanks to covid, pdpr and wfh necessity. Theres around 10-15 houses here by the hillside and 3g is spotty 1-2 bar, 100dbm+ most of the time. Theres no 4g signal at all. Even basic things like taking calls or receiving banks otp means we need to hurry to nearest window all the time. The unifi availability might at last made them considering to erect a new tower here but maybe "just" for the 10-15 houses aren't profitable to those telcos.
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By most it will drop to 2G [EDGE] for SMS and basic phone calls. I forsee many will have network issues as current even 4G at city areas you will get 2bar or 1 bar LOL. imagine they shut off 3G places without 4G you will get 2G only. That is even worst. 4G most of the time are poor in indoors especially residential area unlike 3G you can get full bar.

One of the ways is complain to MCMC and find out the user of 10-15houses mobile line and complain as a pool. Perhaps it may work.

This post has been edited by incredibless: Jun 14 2021, 10:01 PM
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post Jun 15 2021, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(incredibless @ Jun 14 2021, 09:58 PM)
By most it will drop to 2G [EDGE] for SMS and basic phone calls. I forsee many will have network issues as current even 4G at city areas you will get 2bar or 1 bar LOL. imagine they shut off 3G places without 4G you will get 2G only. That is even worst. 4G most of the time are poor in indoors especially residential area unlike 3G you can get full bar.

One of the ways is complain to MCMC and find out the user of 10-15houses mobile line and complain as a pool. Perhaps it may work.
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All 3G tower will be upgrade to 4G
Indoor 4G problem will solve with 4G low band 8. Celcom maxis digi already using it at the some tower

Yes i agree 3G have stronger signal coverage than 4G as seen at digi coverage map indoor. 2G even more wider coverage than 3G. All G came from the same tower.

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QUOTE(JLA @ Jun 15 2021, 08:27 AM)
All 3G tower will be upgrade to 4G
Indoor 4G problem will solve with 4G low band 8. Celcom maxis digi already using it at the some tower

Yes i agree 3G have stronger signal coverage than 4G as seen at digi coverage map indoor. 2G even more wider coverage than 3G. All G came from the same tower.
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Hopefully Indoor 4G will be better by then. So far i yet to encounter band 8 within Klang Valley area. Mostly is Band 3,7 for Digi and Maxis usually in Band 7.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 14 2021, 02:38 PM)
Report to mcmc??
Also your local YB...

Nowadays seems like those YBs very efficient.. "working to solve people problem" 😁
Can see in FB/socmed....
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Already did. Got the stupid cliche answer from them, area in blindspot because of the hills around here, no solution whatsoever given.
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post Jun 21 2021, 05:12 PM

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Activate volte and vowifi, it'll improve the connectivity tremendously as most homes already have indoor WiFi. So no need to worry about indoor coverage, maybe even more superior.
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post Jun 21 2021, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(axxer @ Jun 17 2021, 10:30 PM)
Already did. Got the stupid cliche answer from them, area in blindspot because of the hills around here, no solution whatsoever given.
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Then tell them to STFU, stuff it back into their ass,
And then port out. Settle.
Lose one customer, but comes in new customer. So theu won't feel the pinch

This post has been edited by pcdoctor_my: Jun 21 2021, 09:06 PM
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post Jun 21 2021, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(axxer @ Jun 17 2021, 10:30 PM)
Already did. Got the stupid cliche answer from them, area in blindspot because of the hills around here, no solution whatsoever given.
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QUOTE(pcdoctor_my @ Jun 21 2021, 09:05 PM)
Then tell them to STFU, stuff it back into their ass,
And then port out. Settle.
Lose one customer, but comes in new customer. So theu won't feel the pinch
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Even after you complain to MCMC, it will still take time for them to carry out the works to improve coverage in the area.
In other words, if they have a solution, they would have given to you long time ago. No need to wait for so long until today for solution one.
It doesn't matter to them whether you can accept this as an answer or not, because this is already a reality and a fact.
They've helped you as much as they can already, hence your dissatisfaction of the outcome doesn't matter to them anymore.

Since this is their reply, so it is a "take it or leave it" scenario. They will advise you things like this:
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Please be advised that the proposed action indicated above is subjected to relevant approvals and timeline stated are tentative. We will respect your decision should you decided to try on other alternatives while we improved our network at the area.
Option 1: Just wait for us to improve the network in the area, even if it takes months to years.
Option 2: Give up waiting, and just port out to other telco.

That's it. As simple as that. Like what pcdoctor said, they may be loses 1 customer, but eventually there will be a new customer comes in.
Take it or leave it.

Case closed.
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QUOTE(axxer @ Jun 17 2021, 10:30 PM)
Already did. Got the stupid cliche answer from them, area in blindspot because of the hills around here, no solution whatsoever given.
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hard to answer. sometime not mcmc telco issue.
hill - perak or penang ?

some place persatuan penduduk dont want telco tower. town telco blacklist.
some state/majlis state gov or local gov itself
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QUOTE(kwokwah @ Jun 21 2021, 05:12 PM)
Activate volte and vowifi, it'll improve the connectivity tremendously as most homes already have indoor WiFi. So no need to worry about indoor coverage, maybe even more superior.
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Volte won't work because theres no 4g signal in the first place. Vowifi only works for 2 telco, digi and umobile.
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post Jun 24 2021, 07:32 AM

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Telcos should be mandated to turn on Volte and Vowifi during this transition period.
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QUOTE(kwokwah @ Jun 24 2021, 07:32 AM)
Telcos should be mandated to turn on Volte and Vowifi during this transition period.
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yes4g and unifi mobile is auto VoLTE.
If you insert yes4g or unifi sim card no VoLTE then it phone problem.
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The government needs to force all telecommunications companies to provide volte services, and business licenses will be revoked if there is no volte service
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post Jun 30 2021, 06:08 PM

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Were are entering 2H 2021 already and yet no news on progress on switching off 3G.
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post Jun 30 2021, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(kwokwah @ Jun 30 2021, 06:08 PM)
Were are entering 2H 2021 already and yet no news on progress on switching off 3G.
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This reminded me of the digital tv transition period. Supposedly the deadline for analog tv broadcast shutoff is year 2012, it ended up being shut off on year 2019.

I kinda expect the same 7 years to shut off 3G completely. dry.gif

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