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A closer look at co-living
Racheal Lee

The Edge Malaysia

July 22, 2020 18:00 pm +08
This article first appeared in City & Country, The Edge Malaysia Weekly, on July 13, 2020 - July 19, 2020.

Room rates at Komune Living start from RM1,900 a month (Photo by UOA Hospitality)


Co-working and co-living are the rage in Malaysia, even though there are no clear laws or regulations on properties offering such concepts. While co-working spaces are mushrooming in the country, there are also more properties that offer both co-working and co-living under one roof.

What if these co-living units are available for sale? Are they any different from buying a small office/home office (SoHo)? What is the catch and what should buyers beware of?

Chur Associates founder and managing partner Chris Tan says the legal definition of “housing accommodation” is wide enough to cover premises meant partly for human habitation and partly for business.



Co-living units versus SoHos

Tan cites Section 2 of the Housing Development (Control and Licensing) (Amendment) Act 2012 (HDAA), which states that “housing accommodation” includes any building, tenement or messuage which is wholly or principally constructed, adapted or intended for human habitation or partly for human habitation and partly for business premises and such other type of accommodation as may be prescribed by the minister from time to time to be a housing accommodation pursuant to section 3A”.

“If a developer is selling a project for the purposes of co-living, such units should be governed by the HDA [Housing Development (Control and Licensing) Act 1966]. Nevertheless, the current lifestyle is such that the office will be equipped with a bathroom as well as a nap room. Units equipped with such facilities per se do not make them HDA property,” he explains.

Veena Loh, JLL Malaysia director, research and consultancy, notes that if a developer were to sell co-living units, these units will not be considered as SoHos, and therefore, they do not fall under the HDA.

The biggest difference between a SoHo and a co-living/co-working development, she says, is that the co-living/co-working space is run by an operator whereas there is no operator in a SoHo development.

“A SoHo unit is normally occupied and used by the unit owner or tenanted out for either residential or office use or both. It can be compared with a shophouse that allows the tenant (and his family) to work on the ground floor in the day and retire to their house upstairs at night — except that SoHos are mass-built into a serviced apartment,” she explains.

“A co-living development is targeted at a cluster of people (usually working millennials or expatriates) who share similar interests and enjoy communal activities as well as services provided by an operator. They can also include medical tourists and their families or relatives, travellers and students. Those who would consider staying in hotels or a serviced apartment may choose co-living instead. Today, most of the co-living/co-working developments are owned and run by a single operator.”

Both Tan and Loh expect more co-living and co-working developments to enter the market in the near future as more people are going into entrepreneurship. Tan notes that new entrepreneurs are very cost-conscious and flexible, reacting quickly to the dynamism of a fast-changing marketplace that does not require the traditional business space.


Loh concurs, adding that investment in traditional asset classes, such as offices, residential properties and retail malls, has been challenging for several reasons, including the supply concern, especially in Greater Kuala Lumpur.

She explains that the co-living/co-working concept has evolved from its initial purpose of offering opportunities for people in small start-ups who prefer a workplace close to their residence and business entrepreneurs looking for temporary premises before moving to a proper office building.

If co-living units are available for sale, Loh reminds buyers to undertake due diligence as these units do not come under the HDA. In addition, a co-living unit may not be the most suitable property to live in permanently as one’s needs change with age and a large family may wish to have their own activities and privacy.

“However, co-living could catch on as family size is decreasing now. It is also safer to live with more people than on one’s own and costs for cooking and transport can be shared. Small families or singles who are lonely may find that co-living is a solution to the empty-nest syndrome. This may have to be weighed against new tenants, who could also be a potential security risk,” she adds.

“Developers may offer a guaranteed yield upon the first few years of purchase to make the development more attractive. This may open a new investment opportunity and attract more buyers to purchase co-living units. Investors should carefully study the potential return on the development in the longer run, upon the expiry of the yield guarantee period.”

To understand the potential return outlook, other factors buyers should look into include the location of the development, potential size of the target market and demand drivers of the units. The need to observe rules and the lack of privacy due to space sharing should also be taken into consideration.

Nithi Maniam leased a unit at Tan & Tan Developments Bhd’s Co-Living @ Damai Residence in Ampang.

“I chose to stay in a co-living space due to the short-term lease, with the utilities and fit-outs included. There are also facilities such as gymnasium and common areas, but what really makes it different, compared with a condominium, is its community element,” he says.

Meanwhile, Alicja likes the concept of community living in a co-living space, which provides facilities and organises activities. Housekeeping services are also provided twice a week.

She stayed at Komune Living for several months while looking for a place somewhere close to Bangsar South, as her husband’s office is located there.

“We like that we are not merely confined to our rooms. It is different from staying in a hotel or apartment because the co-living facilities on Levels 1 and 29 are so useful and provide us with lots of space to relax and hang out. It is also great for my husband and me that we are able to spend our leisure time doing what we like individually with the different facilities and activities available,” she says.

“Also, I enjoy cooking with some of the other guests in the community kitchen. We exchange recipes with one another and even try each other’s dishes. It is quite fun being part of that.”
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Aug 3 2020, 10:13 AM)
Co living is same as few occupants occupying each room in a house.

Same concept different wording.
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QUOTE(cy91 @ Aug 3 2020, 10:16 AM)
There is already such a thing long long ago.. It is called a hostel
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It is not new per se.

It is just a new approach, kind of like Grab/Uber with taxi

I brought this topic up since it solves two problems at one go (2 birds with 1 stone), : property overhang and affordable living

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/cove...ommunity-living

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Aug 3 2020, 10:37 AM)
How does co living helps property overhang ? Less people will be buying ...no ?

Affordable living ...yes.
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https://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-ne...-into-co-living

As pointed out by this article, some of the over supplied office building can potentially be converted to co living space
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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/16/co-living-g...e-roulette.html

https://www.cashay.com/coliving-millennial-...-120809178.html


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/02/why-co-livi...jor-cities.html



https://www.6sqft.com/three-people-share-wh...pt-in-brooklyn/

Learn the difference..

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/201...tal-option-you/

https://coliving.com/blog/why-coliving-is-the-new-roommate


How you can see the difference
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QUOTE(DesRed @ Aug 4 2020, 10:47 AM)
Been noticing that these 'new' concepts such as Co-Working and Co-Living sprung up at a time when we're facing a glut in office, commercial and residential spaces. Wonder if they'll be as successful as AirBnB or will it fizz out eventually.
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Exactly, imagine all the hotels that is up for sales now in and around KL, Penang and elsewhere. All can potentially be repurposed for co living. You can refrain from traveling but you still need living spaces.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/cove...ming-properties
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Aug 4 2020, 09:35 AM)
If only sharing is caring for everyone.
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Yes...It may Not be for everyone
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QUOTE(cy91 @ Aug 5 2020, 09:03 AM)
It is exactly like a hostel.. Lived in one when I was in Europe
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Benefits of co-living spaces, over hostels and PGs
The main benefit of a co-living space, is that one need not compromise on comfort, when living away from home. The facilities available, such as utilities and maintenance, are at par with what is available in one’s house. Although co-living may not be as cost-effective as a hostel, it does offer more benefits over the latter, at a slightly higher cost. Experts point out that hostels and PGs are mainly about lodging and boarding, while co-living provides an elevated lifestyle, with opportunities to interact and cohabit without the overbearing scrutiny and rules.


“Co-living spaces offer flexible lease periods that can range from short-term to long-term. Several co-living spaces also hold events like yoga, festival nights, movies, sports tournaments, etc., which takes care of the leisure activities within the complex. Also, hostels and PGs may have conditions, in terms of visitors, deadlines for returning home, etc., which can hinder flexible working hours,” adds Abhishek Kulkarni, chairman and managing director of Million Sqft Realty Pvt Ltd.

How does a co-living setup operate?
Companies in the co-living segment lease properties on a long-term basis from building owners, for a period of three to seven years. They revamp the interiors, to suit the requirements of students before renting it out. They also hire housekeeping staff and security guards, for property management and are overall responsible for providing the facilities. Students then sign the agreements with the co-living operators. Kulkarni explains: “The agreement includes details pertaining to the rental amount, the period of the lease and verified personal details of the person on rent. The responsibilities of the co-living operators include maintenance, cleaning, collecting rent, etc., thereby, eliminating the multiple levels of operations that exist in renting out a residential property.”


In short, you are expected to behave vs your are controlled to behave, there is a different maturity expectations on you. LOL

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QUOTE(cy91 @ Aug 5 2020, 09:20 AM)
For me I don't differentiate them too much. Like apartments, condominium and serviced apartments. All are high rise and make little difference for me. whistling.gif
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OK.....Suit your self
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QUOTE(DesRed @ Aug 5 2020, 09:25 AM)
This will probably work in an office and commercial space, but for residential, that's going to be tough.

JMBs and residents will surely slap bans on it just like what they did to AirBnB. They don't like the idea of outsiders coming into their service residence/condos on a frequent basis.
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Yes.agree totally

That is why the concept involve a property management co signing a long term lease with owner of likely commercial space and involve redesign into co living space.

But even if restricted to commercial space , there is quite a lot of possibility as the glut in commercial space is far greater than residential to be honest.

There lies the opportunity. You can potentially suppressed the owner to give you a long term lease at a very bargain price, owner see that as an opportunity to finally let out long term....It works a lot like co working spaces

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QUOTE(hummels @ Aug 5 2020, 09:24 AM)
someone told me 'co-living' is a more sweeter name than calling it 'sewa per kepala'

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Now that is degrading to how you treat migrants Already
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QUOTE(DesRed @ Aug 5 2020, 10:34 AM)
I've seen Komune going up much faster than South-Link when first saw it's construction 3 years ago and it was just completed sometime last year, but there was no sales promotion for it. I believe that it's directly managed by UOA and the units were not open for sale.
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Make sense, why would you sell a goose that can lay golden eggs, especially at times like this: when more have stomach/appetite for eggs than the whole goose.

Increasingly jobs, businesses are Short term in nature, a short lease term , following suit, may be the thing now, compared to not that long ago, where people are looking into commiting a long term loan for a decade of two .

It has happened to car leasing scene in Malaysia too
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Aug 5 2020, 12:08 PM)
Komune hotel.. no?
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Komune is a brand, got fingers in co working, co living and hotel
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Developers keen to build co-living accommodation
By Sharen Kaur
May 13, 2020 @ 3:45pm

Developers keen to build co-living accommodation
Property developers are looking into building co-living spaces as this trend is gaining traction in Malaysia. File Photo
Co-living, a niche asset class, is gaining traction in Malaysia, and developers are interested to build in this segment of the property market, post-Covid-19, says Knight Frank Malaysia.

According to the firm's Commercial Real Estate Investment Sentiment Survey 2020 (CREISS 2020) report, 58 per cent of respondents are exploring or planning to develop co-living.


Co-living, a modern, urban type of accommodation with shared living spaces is popular in large, international, expensive cities overseas and also among millennials and Generation Z who have grown up with technology, social media, and the sharing economy.

Knight Frank Malaysia Capital Markets executive director James Buckley said co-living addresses some of the issues around living in the centre of the city where it offers an agile lifestyle living with no worry about a mortgage. Courtesy Photo
Knight Frank Malaysia Capital Markets executive director James Buckley said co-living addresses some of the issues around living in the centre of the city where it offers an agile lifestyle living with no worry about a mortgage. Courtesy Photo
Knight Frank Malaysia Capital Markets executive director James Buckley said as Kuala Lumpur has become more expensive, co-living addresses some of the issues around living in the centre of the city where it offers an agile lifestyle living with no worry about a mortgage.

"Many singles, students or young professional workers find conventional new apartments out of their reach because of high rents, deposits and furnishing costs and co-living can be a more attractive option.

"However, due to the Covid-19 pandemic and until a vaccine is developed, co-living occupancy rates will be impacted as social distancing is very difficult when you are sharing a home with others, some of whom may be strangers or transient renters," he said.

Buckley believes this drop in occupancy is likely to be short-lived, and once the Covid-19 crisis subsides, there will be growing interest in this sector.

He said co-living is not expected to compete with conventional hotels as guests tend to stay at co-living apartments for a longer period of between three and six months and the types of services and amenities offered are very different from what a hotel provides.

"In Kuala Lumpur, the typical occupier is single and in their mid-twenties. Co-living is often very popular with single females who want a safe, clean, and professionally run living experience.

"Walking distance from work or MRT/LRT stations is critical to the success and some developers have converted residential apartment blocks by chopping up apartments to increase the number of units by six times," he said.

Buckley said, given the oversupply of new office accommodation, some well-located grade B office buildings can also be repositioned into co-living spaces.

"The challenge for investors, however, is that co-living is most in-demand in central locations which are typically more expensive, but we do see some opportunities emerging, particularly in Kuala Lumpur Old City Centre," he said.

Knight Frank Malaysia research and consultancy executive director Judy Ong said the Covid-19 pandemic may see developers who are exploring or planning to develop co-living accommodation revisiting the functionality of their co-living space in terms of design and layout, particularly communal areas and shared facilities.

"With right timing post-Covid-19, co-living presents an opportunity for key players to secure a first-mover advantage in this largely untapped market," she said.
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QUOTE(MrBaba @ Aug 12 2020, 07:01 PM)
Co living is expensive  then yr mortage single room start at 1.8k ish.
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How much is the rate /month?
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Co-Coon at Damai Residence off Jalan Ampang, which is a short-term co-living space, offers a minimum three-month lease at RM800 monthly for its smallest room with shared bathrooms. The rate is all-inclusive, but deposits still apply!

A 424sf studio with full co-living facilities at 3Towers Jalan Ampang is available for conventional long-term rent at RM1,200 per month.

According to Numbeo, the average monthly rentals for a three-bedroom apartment in KL city centre is around RM4,028.15. So sharing an apartment with friends or renting a room in such a unit would cost on average around RM1,342.70 monthly.

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The Founders Of Hom Malaysia Take The Concept Of Co-Living In The City To The Next Level


By Tania Jayatilaka
August 14, 2020
Felix Ferdinand and Bryan Lim of Hom Malaysia are on a mission to make city living more inclusive than ever

In July 2020, Hom Malaysia, a real-estate web platform that offers young working professionals a chance to hunker down in KL’s most coveted addresses without breaking the bank, was launched.

Take, for instance, Hom’s cosy 2-3 bedroom serviced apartments at Sky Suites KLCC. Located a stone’s throw from the iconic Petronas Twin Towers, these furnished units that range from 649sf to 849sf in size are available for rent to small groups at approximately RM1,500-RM3,000 per month. Hom's collection of beautiful co-living spaces is also available at Novum in Bangsar South, with more to come in the pipeline.

The company's founders Felix Ferdinand and Bryan Lim are on a daring mission to make living in the city, where real estate prices are sky high, more accessible.

Stoically unfazed by the Covid-19 pandemic, the duo counts themselves lucky to have made it this far in launching their first co-living space in spite of the challenging past few months.


“In a time of crisis, urbanites need a greater sense of community more than ever,” notes CEO Ferdinand whose experience in real estate, finance and commercial planning proved to be enormously useful in this start-up. “We know people who spent the entire duration of the MCO alone, confined within four walls. But when you stay with friends whom you know and love, there’s a sense of caring for each other, cooking together and more that just bring people closer. That’s really what Hom is all about.”

(Hom is) a tool that helps young urbanites to find not just a place to stay, but also a community they could fit in with.

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The target audience? Working millennials and urban nomads who dream of living closer to their workplaces in the city.

The goal? To simplify the often daunting process of renting and settling into these inaccessible city living spaces via one user-friendly platform.

“My family was based in Indonesia for a while, but when I came back to Malaysia, I was living alone,” shares COO Lim, who also lived and worked in China prior to moving back to Kuala Lumpur for good. “It was kind of lonely — I didn’t know my neighbours at all. We were living in the same building but we were strangers.”

After meeting through a mutual acquaintance, Ferdinand and Lim kept in touch. Though he initially planned to remain in China a little longer for work, Lim decided to return home to join forces with Ferdinand to solve a problem that they both relate to.


“When you look at Jakarta, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur and other big cities in Southeast Asia, the same problems exist,” Lim says. “First, commuting every day in heavy traffic is not ideal. Housing is also an issue and people don’t want to live too far from where they work. Once they do end up moving to the city, they often feel lonely and isolated.”

Ferdinand shares that the initial idea they had for Hom was an app that helped people to get to know their neighbours. Along the way, it adapted to become a tool that helps young urbanites to find not just a place to stay, but also a community they could fit in with.

Apart from finding accommodation, tenants can rely on Hom’s community managers to schedule informal get-togethers with existing tenants (fondly known as ‘homies’) or other applicants who might be a good match for them.   

“Coming from a real estate background, I knew our focus shouldn’t be just about making a cool app but a practical one,” Ferdinand says. Lim adds: “And honestly, an app doesn’t create community, people do."

They plan to launch a Hom mobile app and expand to prime areas like Mont Kiara and more very soon. The industrious duo shows us the impactful side of start-up life and why the road to success needn’t be a solo journey.


We want to reduce the fear that comes with moving out and renting your own space.

What challenges did you face in launching Hom?

Lim: A lot of people don’t know what co-living is. The most common response we get is: “Is it like tiny partitioned rooms and shared kitchens? Bunkbeds and stuff?" It was a challenge to get people to understand what we're doing.

Ferdinand: Of course, in recent months, Hom’s launch was affected by the partial lockdown. But internally, our team was accelerated. The pandemic really reinforced how important it is to have community. 

How will Hom meet the needs of young working adults in the city?

F: It will bring accessibility to more people, open up more living spaces, and bring community back into the city. People living in Subang or Shah Alam who work in KLCC can shorten the time it takes to commute to work and live in a secure community where maintenance, billing and other housing-related matters can be done entirely through an app.

Tell us more about the soon-to-launch Hom app.

L: Our brand is all about relating to millennials, right? For many of them, it might be their first time moving out, renting a space on their own, managing paperwork and paying bills. Today, if I wanted to find a space in KLCC, I'll be able book it through the app and just move in – no messy paperwork needed. Through the app, people will be able to make monthly rental payments, schedule for housekeeping, request for maintenance services, meet other people living under Hom or maybe even transfer to another Hom building easily.

How do you select the location of Hom's co-living spaces?

F: First, we look at locations that are commercially viable – it should be a place that has banks, public transportation, commercial districts and job opportunities. Then we look into demographics, and what people like to do there. Because of this, each property presents a different design philosophy and set of experiences that match that demographic. 

Do the design themes vary across different Hom units?

F: It depends. For each venue, the design changes based on behaviour. Some people might think the design of this particular property isn’t that impressive or luxurious, but it serves a function and a purpose. Do the people here work from home? How much time do they spend in communal areas? Do they even need a big-screen TV when they mostly watch shows on their phones and laptops? To us, good design is a by-product of functionality.

Ferdinand has experience in finance and real estate.
Lim, worked in a digital marketing and branding role while in China before returning home to launch the startup
Lim, worked in a digital marketing and branding role while in China before returning home to launch the startup
What’s it like running a startup with a friend?

F: Personality-wise, we’re totally different, but what matters is that we want to solve the same problem. We have the same values, the same principles and the same faith to back us up. We manage different teams but we back each other up all the time, and I'm grateful for that.

L: It boils down to having the same values. There are friends you can do business with and friends you would just prefer to hang out with.

What’s the one thing you can’t live without in your own homes?

L: My laptop. I work and watch movies on it.   

F: I can’t live without my phone. And maybe also my hair-dryer.

What change do you want to drive in real estate in the next few years?

F: In the future, we want to work closely with government agencies, the housing ministry and property developers. The property sector is a very highly-regulated industry, property prices are expensive and people our age can’t afford them. Even if they can, they look for something more inclusive, and that’s where we hope to come in and change things. 


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