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A closer look at co-living
Racheal Lee

The Edge Malaysia

July 22, 2020 18:00 pm +08
This article first appeared in City & Country, The Edge Malaysia Weekly, on July 13, 2020 - July 19, 2020.

Room rates at Komune Living start from RM1,900 a month (Photo by UOA Hospitality)


Co-working and co-living are the rage in Malaysia, even though there are no clear laws or regulations on properties offering such concepts. While co-working spaces are mushrooming in the country, there are also more properties that offer both co-working and co-living under one roof.

What if these co-living units are available for sale? Are they any different from buying a small office/home office (SoHo)? What is the catch and what should buyers beware of?

Chur Associates founder and managing partner Chris Tan says the legal definition of “housing accommodation” is wide enough to cover premises meant partly for human habitation and partly for business.



Co-living units versus SoHos

Tan cites Section 2 of the Housing Development (Control and Licensing) (Amendment) Act 2012 (HDAA), which states that “housing accommodation” includes any building, tenement or messuage which is wholly or principally constructed, adapted or intended for human habitation or partly for human habitation and partly for business premises and such other type of accommodation as may be prescribed by the minister from time to time to be a housing accommodation pursuant to section 3A”.

“If a developer is selling a project for the purposes of co-living, such units should be governed by the HDA [Housing Development (Control and Licensing) Act 1966]. Nevertheless, the current lifestyle is such that the office will be equipped with a bathroom as well as a nap room. Units equipped with such facilities per se do not make them HDA property,” he explains.

Veena Loh, JLL Malaysia director, research and consultancy, notes that if a developer were to sell co-living units, these units will not be considered as SoHos, and therefore, they do not fall under the HDA.

The biggest difference between a SoHo and a co-living/co-working development, she says, is that the co-living/co-working space is run by an operator whereas there is no operator in a SoHo development.

“A SoHo unit is normally occupied and used by the unit owner or tenanted out for either residential or office use or both. It can be compared with a shophouse that allows the tenant (and his family) to work on the ground floor in the day and retire to their house upstairs at night — except that SoHos are mass-built into a serviced apartment,” she explains.

“A co-living development is targeted at a cluster of people (usually working millennials or expatriates) who share similar interests and enjoy communal activities as well as services provided by an operator. They can also include medical tourists and their families or relatives, travellers and students. Those who would consider staying in hotels or a serviced apartment may choose co-living instead. Today, most of the co-living/co-working developments are owned and run by a single operator.”

Both Tan and Loh expect more co-living and co-working developments to enter the market in the near future as more people are going into entrepreneurship. Tan notes that new entrepreneurs are very cost-conscious and flexible, reacting quickly to the dynamism of a fast-changing marketplace that does not require the traditional business space.


Loh concurs, adding that investment in traditional asset classes, such as offices, residential properties and retail malls, has been challenging for several reasons, including the supply concern, especially in Greater Kuala Lumpur.

She explains that the co-living/co-working concept has evolved from its initial purpose of offering opportunities for people in small start-ups who prefer a workplace close to their residence and business entrepreneurs looking for temporary premises before moving to a proper office building.

If co-living units are available for sale, Loh reminds buyers to undertake due diligence as these units do not come under the HDA. In addition, a co-living unit may not be the most suitable property to live in permanently as one’s needs change with age and a large family may wish to have their own activities and privacy.

“However, co-living could catch on as family size is decreasing now. It is also safer to live with more people than on one’s own and costs for cooking and transport can be shared. Small families or singles who are lonely may find that co-living is a solution to the empty-nest syndrome. This may have to be weighed against new tenants, who could also be a potential security risk,” she adds.

“Developers may offer a guaranteed yield upon the first few years of purchase to make the development more attractive. This may open a new investment opportunity and attract more buyers to purchase co-living units. Investors should carefully study the potential return on the development in the longer run, upon the expiry of the yield guarantee period.”

To understand the potential return outlook, other factors buyers should look into include the location of the development, potential size of the target market and demand drivers of the units. The need to observe rules and the lack of privacy due to space sharing should also be taken into consideration.

Nithi Maniam leased a unit at Tan & Tan Developments Bhd’s Co-Living @ Damai Residence in Ampang.

“I chose to stay in a co-living space due to the short-term lease, with the utilities and fit-outs included. There are also facilities such as gymnasium and common areas, but what really makes it different, compared with a condominium, is its community element,” he says.

Meanwhile, Alicja likes the concept of community living in a co-living space, which provides facilities and organises activities. Housekeeping services are also provided twice a week.

She stayed at Komune Living for several months while looking for a place somewhere close to Bangsar South, as her husband’s office is located there.

“We like that we are not merely confined to our rooms. It is different from staying in a hotel or apartment because the co-living facilities on Levels 1 and 29 are so useful and provide us with lots of space to relax and hang out. It is also great for my husband and me that we are able to spend our leisure time doing what we like individually with the different facilities and activities available,” she says.

“Also, I enjoy cooking with some of the other guests in the community kitchen. We exchange recipes with one another and even try each other’s dishes. It is quite fun being part of that.”
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Co living is same as few occupants occupying each room in a house.

Same concept different wording.
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There is already such a thing long long ago.. It is called a hostel
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Aug 3 2020, 10:13 AM)
Co living is same as few occupants occupying each room in a house.

Same concept different wording.
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QUOTE(cy91 @ Aug 3 2020, 10:16 AM)
There is already such a thing long long ago.. It is called a hostel
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It is not new per se.

It is just a new approach, kind of like Grab/Uber with taxi

I brought this topic up since it solves two problems at one go (2 birds with 1 stone), : property overhang and affordable living

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/cove...ommunity-living

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nothing new, just a marketing gimmick
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Aug 3 2020, 10:33 AM)
It is not new per se.

It is just a new approach, kind of like Grab/Uber with taxi

I brought this topic up since it solves two problems at one go (2 birds with 1 stone), : property overhang and affordable living
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How does co living helps property overhang ? Less people will be buying ...no ?

Affordable living ...yes.

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Its just jazzing up the concept in which you rent out separate rooms. But this time more emphasis is placed on the shared space, i.e. the kitchen, living room etc.
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Its just jazzing up the concept in which you rent out separate rooms. But this time more emphasis is placed on the shared space, i.e. the kitchen, living room etc.
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Might as well u create a company, lease every whole unit there is available to rent, then partition and rent it out again by room hmm.gif
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Might as well u create a company, lease every whole unit there is available to rent, then partition and rent it out again by room  hmm.gif
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Isn't that what some of these people are doing?
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Well, either that or purchase something like the D'immersione project and call it "co-living" under 1 unit.
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Well, either that or purchase something like the D'immersione project and call it "co-living" under 1 unit.
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Some shoplots near to UTAR even better.. Partition the upper floor shoplot into 10 rooms #co-living space
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QUOTE(cy91 @ Aug 3 2020, 12:41 PM)
Some shoplots near to UTAR even better.. Partition the upper floor shoplot into 10 rooms #co-living space
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Some uncles and aunties go as far as to turn a house into a makeshift student hostel by partitioning many rooms into it. I recall it's able to house 10 or more students due to that arrangement.

My sis stayed in such an arrangement before during her uni days. Really cramped having to share a king-sized bed with 2 of her friends in one room.

I have a feeling that this 'co-living' will just be another 'passing' fad. Old wine in a new bottle.

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Silicon Valley thinks it invented roommates. They call it 'co-living'

Just another SV bullshit.
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QUOTE(digitalz @ Aug 3 2020, 12:33 PM)
Well, either that or purchase something like the D'immersione project and call it "co-living" under 1 unit.
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Good lord, imagine paying rm 1500 rent for a 300 sqf "smart" ensuite and call it a studio.

The "smart living" thing can be replicated easily.

IOT is not something new.
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Aug 3 2020, 10:37 AM)
How does co living helps property overhang ? Less people will be buying ...no ?

Affordable living ...yes.
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https://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-ne...-into-co-living

As pointed out by this article, some of the over supplied office building can potentially be converted to co living space
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Nonsense concept just renting a house with a few friends

Just living the college days will only work single younger 20s generation
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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/16/co-living-g...e-roulette.html

https://www.cashay.com/coliving-millennial-...-120809178.html


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/02/why-co-livi...jor-cities.html



https://www.6sqft.com/three-people-share-wh...pt-in-brooklyn/

Learn the difference..

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QUOTE(honsiong @ Aug 3 2020, 04:52 PM)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/201...tal-option-you/

https://coliving.com/blog/why-coliving-is-the-new-roommate


How you can see the difference
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If only sharing is caring for everyone.
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It's a great concept, an innovative way for young people to live in big cities at reduced cost.

However, it'll be a challenge for Malaysians. Till today, we can't even live harmoniously and correctly in bigger spaces like apartment/condo with Management Committee. Malaysians just can't adapt to 'shared' living concept where common properties and facilities are abused and maintenance fees not paid.
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QUOTE(negayem @ Aug 4 2020, 10:04 AM)
It's a great concept, an innovative way for young people to live in big cities at reduced cost.

However, it'll be a challenge for Malaysians. Till today, we can't even live harmoniously and correctly in bigger spaces like apartment/condo with Management Committee. Malaysians just can't adapt to 'shared' living concept where common properties and facilities are abused and maintenance fees not paid.
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Co-living allows ppl to enjoy nice communal deco and facilities like gym etc at central locations at cheaper rental.. while forgoing some privacy... some might even willing to mix around more to find their life partners.. 😅
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Been noticing that these 'new' concepts such as Co-Working and Co-Living sprung up at a time when we're facing a glut in office, commercial and residential spaces. Wonder if they'll be as successful as AirBnB or will it fizz out eventually.
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QUOTE(DesRed @ Aug 4 2020, 10:47 AM)
Been noticing that these 'new' concepts such as Co-Working and Co-Living sprung up at a time when we're facing a glut in office, commercial and residential spaces. Wonder if they'll be as successful as AirBnB or will it fizz out eventually.
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Exactly, imagine all the hotels that is up for sales now in and around KL, Penang and elsewhere. All can potentially be repurposed for co living. You can refrain from traveling but you still need living spaces.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/cove...ming-properties
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If only sharing is caring for everyone.
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Well, I personally think there would be a difference between normally renting a room in a house and renting a co-living room because the co-living room concept would probably appeal to those that actually want to come out of their rooms and connect with other people. On the other hand, the sight of normal room renting usually includes empty living rooms and everyone holed up in their own rooms.

And of course, if wanna apply co-living then better to not have the 1 year tenancy period requirement so that new faces can come every few months and serve the purpose. Should also have a bigger area to be able to accommodate more people for wider network.

Maybe can use services like Land+'s zero deposit tenancy as well hmm.gif


Just my 2c..

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https://vulcanpost.com/689153/co-living-dam...al-malaysia-kl/

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https://vulcanpost.com/689153/co-living-dam...al-malaysia-kl/

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It is exactly like a hostel.. Lived in one when I was in Europe
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It is exactly like a hostel.. Lived in one when I was in Europe
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https://housing.com/news/co-living-spaces-v...tudents-choose/

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Benefits of co-living spaces, over hostels and PGs
The main benefit of a co-living space, is that one need not compromise on comfort, when living away from home. The facilities available, such as utilities and maintenance, are at par with what is available in one’s house. Although co-living may not be as cost-effective as a hostel, it does offer more benefits over the latter, at a slightly higher cost. Experts point out that hostels and PGs are mainly about lodging and boarding, while co-living provides an elevated lifestyle, with opportunities to interact and cohabit without the overbearing scrutiny and rules.


“Co-living spaces offer flexible lease periods that can range from short-term to long-term. Several co-living spaces also hold events like yoga, festival nights, movies, sports tournaments, etc., which takes care of the leisure activities within the complex. Also, hostels and PGs may have conditions, in terms of visitors, deadlines for returning home, etc., which can hinder flexible working hours,” adds Abhishek Kulkarni, chairman and managing director of Million Sqft Realty Pvt Ltd.

How does a co-living setup operate?
Companies in the co-living segment lease properties on a long-term basis from building owners, for a period of three to seven years. They revamp the interiors, to suit the requirements of students before renting it out. They also hire housekeeping staff and security guards, for property management and are overall responsible for providing the facilities. Students then sign the agreements with the co-living operators. Kulkarni explains: “The agreement includes details pertaining to the rental amount, the period of the lease and verified personal details of the person on rent. The responsibilities of the co-living operators include maintenance, cleaning, collecting rent, etc., thereby, eliminating the multiple levels of operations that exist in renting out a residential property.”


In short, you are expected to behave vs your are controlled to behave, there is a different maturity expectations on you. LOL

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https://housing.com/news/co-living-spaces-v...tudents-choose/
In short, you are expected to behave vs your are controlled to behave, there is a different maturity expectations on you. LOL
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For me I don't differentiate them too much. Like apartments, condominium and serviced apartments. All are high rise and make little difference for me. whistling.gif
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someone told me 'co-living' is a more sweeter name than calling it 'sewa per kepala'

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This will probably work in an office and commercial space, but for residential, that's going to be tough.

JMBs and residents will surely slap bans on it just like what they did to AirBnB. They don't like the idea of outsiders coming into their service residence/condos on a frequent basis.
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For me I don't differentiate them too much. Like apartments, condominium and serviced apartments. All are high rise and make little difference for me. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(DesRed @ Aug 5 2020, 09:25 AM)
This will probably work in an office and commercial space, but for residential, that's going to be tough.

JMBs and residents will surely slap bans on it just like what they did to AirBnB. They don't like the idea of outsiders coming into their service residence/condos on a frequent basis.
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Yes.agree totally

That is why the concept involve a property management co signing a long term lease with owner of likely commercial space and involve redesign into co living space.

But even if restricted to commercial space , there is quite a lot of possibility as the glut in commercial space is far greater than residential to be honest.

There lies the opportunity. You can potentially suppressed the owner to give you a long term lease at a very bargain price, owner see that as an opportunity to finally let out long term....It works a lot like co working spaces

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QUOTE(DesRed @ Aug 5 2020, 09:25 AM)
This will probably work in an office and commercial space, but for residential, that's going to be tough.

JMBs and residents will surely slap bans on it just like what they did to AirBnB. They don't like the idea of outsiders coming into their service residence/condos on a frequent basis.
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Yeah probably the own-stay family will oppose gao gao. Imagine all kinds of foreign students coming in and out like a hostel and share ur facilities

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someone told me 'co-living' is a more sweeter name than calling it 'sewa per kepala'

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Want to do co-living then should do it properly like Komune
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Want to do co-living then should do it properly like Komune
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I've seen Komune going up much faster than South-Link when first saw it's construction 3 years ago and it was just completed sometime last year, but there was no sales promotion for it. I believe that it's directly managed by UOA and the units were not open for sale.
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QUOTE(DesRed @ Aug 5 2020, 10:34 AM)
I've seen Komune going up much faster than South-Link when first saw it's construction 3 years ago and it was just completed sometime last year, but there was no sales promotion for it. I believe that it's directly managed by UOA and the units were not open for sale.
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Make sense, why would you sell a goose that can lay golden eggs, especially at times like this: when more have stomach/appetite for eggs than the whole goose.

Increasingly jobs, businesses are Short term in nature, a short lease term , following suit, may be the thing now, compared to not that long ago, where people are looking into commiting a long term loan for a decade of two .

It has happened to car leasing scene in Malaysia too
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QUOTE(DesRed @ Aug 5 2020, 10:34 AM)
I've seen Komune going up much faster than South-Link when first saw it's construction 3 years ago and it was just completed sometime last year, but there was no sales promotion for it. I believe that it's directly managed by UOA and the units were not open for sale.
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Exactly.
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Komune hotel.. no?
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Komune hotel.. no?
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Developers keen to build co-living accommodation
By Sharen Kaur
May 13, 2020 @ 3:45pm

Developers keen to build co-living accommodation
Property developers are looking into building co-living spaces as this trend is gaining traction in Malaysia. File Photo
Co-living, a niche asset class, is gaining traction in Malaysia, and developers are interested to build in this segment of the property market, post-Covid-19, says Knight Frank Malaysia.

According to the firm's Commercial Real Estate Investment Sentiment Survey 2020 (CREISS 2020) report, 58 per cent of respondents are exploring or planning to develop co-living.


Co-living, a modern, urban type of accommodation with shared living spaces is popular in large, international, expensive cities overseas and also among millennials and Generation Z who have grown up with technology, social media, and the sharing economy.

Knight Frank Malaysia Capital Markets executive director James Buckley said co-living addresses some of the issues around living in the centre of the city where it offers an agile lifestyle living with no worry about a mortgage. Courtesy Photo
Knight Frank Malaysia Capital Markets executive director James Buckley said co-living addresses some of the issues around living in the centre of the city where it offers an agile lifestyle living with no worry about a mortgage. Courtesy Photo
Knight Frank Malaysia Capital Markets executive director James Buckley said as Kuala Lumpur has become more expensive, co-living addresses some of the issues around living in the centre of the city where it offers an agile lifestyle living with no worry about a mortgage.

"Many singles, students or young professional workers find conventional new apartments out of their reach because of high rents, deposits and furnishing costs and co-living can be a more attractive option.

"However, due to the Covid-19 pandemic and until a vaccine is developed, co-living occupancy rates will be impacted as social distancing is very difficult when you are sharing a home with others, some of whom may be strangers or transient renters," he said.

Buckley believes this drop in occupancy is likely to be short-lived, and once the Covid-19 crisis subsides, there will be growing interest in this sector.

He said co-living is not expected to compete with conventional hotels as guests tend to stay at co-living apartments for a longer period of between three and six months and the types of services and amenities offered are very different from what a hotel provides.

"In Kuala Lumpur, the typical occupier is single and in their mid-twenties. Co-living is often very popular with single females who want a safe, clean, and professionally run living experience.

"Walking distance from work or MRT/LRT stations is critical to the success and some developers have converted residential apartment blocks by chopping up apartments to increase the number of units by six times," he said.

Buckley said, given the oversupply of new office accommodation, some well-located grade B office buildings can also be repositioned into co-living spaces.

"The challenge for investors, however, is that co-living is most in-demand in central locations which are typically more expensive, but we do see some opportunities emerging, particularly in Kuala Lumpur Old City Centre," he said.

Knight Frank Malaysia research and consultancy executive director Judy Ong said the Covid-19 pandemic may see developers who are exploring or planning to develop co-living accommodation revisiting the functionality of their co-living space in terms of design and layout, particularly communal areas and shared facilities.

"With right timing post-Covid-19, co-living presents an opportunity for key players to secure a first-mover advantage in this largely untapped market," she said.
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Co-living is a very debatable topic. Personally, if you're working and don't have a family yet, I think it might be a good solution for the short term. In the long term, I don't see co-living as an ideal option. It's more suitable for young working people or college students.
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Co-Coon at Damai Residence off Jalan Ampang, which is a short-term co-living space, offers a minimum three-month lease at RM800 monthly for its smallest room with shared bathrooms. The rate is all-inclusive, but deposits still apply!

A 424sf studio with full co-living facilities at 3Towers Jalan Ampang is available for conventional long-term rent at RM1,200 per month.

According to Numbeo, the average monthly rentals for a three-bedroom apartment in KL city centre is around RM4,028.15. So sharing an apartment with friends or renting a room in such a unit would cost on average around RM1,342.70 monthly.

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The Founders Of Hom Malaysia Take The Concept Of Co-Living In The City To The Next Level


By Tania Jayatilaka
August 14, 2020
Felix Ferdinand and Bryan Lim of Hom Malaysia are on a mission to make city living more inclusive than ever

In July 2020, Hom Malaysia, a real-estate web platform that offers young working professionals a chance to hunker down in KL’s most coveted addresses without breaking the bank, was launched.

Take, for instance, Hom’s cosy 2-3 bedroom serviced apartments at Sky Suites KLCC. Located a stone’s throw from the iconic Petronas Twin Towers, these furnished units that range from 649sf to 849sf in size are available for rent to small groups at approximately RM1,500-RM3,000 per month. Hom's collection of beautiful co-living spaces is also available at Novum in Bangsar South, with more to come in the pipeline.

The company's founders Felix Ferdinand and Bryan Lim are on a daring mission to make living in the city, where real estate prices are sky high, more accessible.

Stoically unfazed by the Covid-19 pandemic, the duo counts themselves lucky to have made it this far in launching their first co-living space in spite of the challenging past few months.


“In a time of crisis, urbanites need a greater sense of community more than ever,” notes CEO Ferdinand whose experience in real estate, finance and commercial planning proved to be enormously useful in this start-up. “We know people who spent the entire duration of the MCO alone, confined within four walls. But when you stay with friends whom you know and love, there’s a sense of caring for each other, cooking together and more that just bring people closer. That’s really what Hom is all about.”

(Hom is) a tool that helps young urbanites to find not just a place to stay, but also a community they could fit in with.

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The target audience? Working millennials and urban nomads who dream of living closer to their workplaces in the city.

The goal? To simplify the often daunting process of renting and settling into these inaccessible city living spaces via one user-friendly platform.

“My family was based in Indonesia for a while, but when I came back to Malaysia, I was living alone,” shares COO Lim, who also lived and worked in China prior to moving back to Kuala Lumpur for good. “It was kind of lonely — I didn’t know my neighbours at all. We were living in the same building but we were strangers.”

After meeting through a mutual acquaintance, Ferdinand and Lim kept in touch. Though he initially planned to remain in China a little longer for work, Lim decided to return home to join forces with Ferdinand to solve a problem that they both relate to.


“When you look at Jakarta, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur and other big cities in Southeast Asia, the same problems exist,” Lim says. “First, commuting every day in heavy traffic is not ideal. Housing is also an issue and people don’t want to live too far from where they work. Once they do end up moving to the city, they often feel lonely and isolated.”

Ferdinand shares that the initial idea they had for Hom was an app that helped people to get to know their neighbours. Along the way, it adapted to become a tool that helps young urbanites to find not just a place to stay, but also a community they could fit in with.

Apart from finding accommodation, tenants can rely on Hom’s community managers to schedule informal get-togethers with existing tenants (fondly known as ‘homies’) or other applicants who might be a good match for them.   

“Coming from a real estate background, I knew our focus shouldn’t be just about making a cool app but a practical one,” Ferdinand says. Lim adds: “And honestly, an app doesn’t create community, people do."

They plan to launch a Hom mobile app and expand to prime areas like Mont Kiara and more very soon. The industrious duo shows us the impactful side of start-up life and why the road to success needn’t be a solo journey.


We want to reduce the fear that comes with moving out and renting your own space.

What challenges did you face in launching Hom?

Lim: A lot of people don’t know what co-living is. The most common response we get is: “Is it like tiny partitioned rooms and shared kitchens? Bunkbeds and stuff?" It was a challenge to get people to understand what we're doing.

Ferdinand: Of course, in recent months, Hom’s launch was affected by the partial lockdown. But internally, our team was accelerated. The pandemic really reinforced how important it is to have community. 

How will Hom meet the needs of young working adults in the city?

F: It will bring accessibility to more people, open up more living spaces, and bring community back into the city. People living in Subang or Shah Alam who work in KLCC can shorten the time it takes to commute to work and live in a secure community where maintenance, billing and other housing-related matters can be done entirely through an app.

Tell us more about the soon-to-launch Hom app.

L: Our brand is all about relating to millennials, right? For many of them, it might be their first time moving out, renting a space on their own, managing paperwork and paying bills. Today, if I wanted to find a space in KLCC, I'll be able book it through the app and just move in – no messy paperwork needed. Through the app, people will be able to make monthly rental payments, schedule for housekeeping, request for maintenance services, meet other people living under Hom or maybe even transfer to another Hom building easily.

How do you select the location of Hom's co-living spaces?

F: First, we look at locations that are commercially viable – it should be a place that has banks, public transportation, commercial districts and job opportunities. Then we look into demographics, and what people like to do there. Because of this, each property presents a different design philosophy and set of experiences that match that demographic. 

Do the design themes vary across different Hom units?

F: It depends. For each venue, the design changes based on behaviour. Some people might think the design of this particular property isn’t that impressive or luxurious, but it serves a function and a purpose. Do the people here work from home? How much time do they spend in communal areas? Do they even need a big-screen TV when they mostly watch shows on their phones and laptops? To us, good design is a by-product of functionality.

Ferdinand has experience in finance and real estate.
Lim, worked in a digital marketing and branding role while in China before returning home to launch the startup
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What’s it like running a startup with a friend?

F: Personality-wise, we’re totally different, but what matters is that we want to solve the same problem. We have the same values, the same principles and the same faith to back us up. We manage different teams but we back each other up all the time, and I'm grateful for that.

L: It boils down to having the same values. There are friends you can do business with and friends you would just prefer to hang out with.

What’s the one thing you can’t live without in your own homes?

L: My laptop. I work and watch movies on it.   

F: I can’t live without my phone. And maybe also my hair-dryer.

What change do you want to drive in real estate in the next few years?

F: In the future, we want to work closely with government agencies, the housing ministry and property developers. The property sector is a very highly-regulated industry, property prices are expensive and people our age can’t afford them. Even if they can, they look for something more inclusive, and that’s where we hope to come in and change things. 

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The Founders Of Hom Malaysia Take The Concept Of Co-Living In The City To The Next Level


By Tania Jayatilaka
August 14, 2020
Felix Ferdinand and Bryan Lim of Hom Malaysia are on a mission to make city living more inclusive than ever

In July 2020, Hom Malaysia, a real-estate web platform that offers young working professionals a chance to hunker down in KL’s most coveted addresses without breaking the bank, was launched.

Take, for instance, Hom’s cosy 2-3 bedroom serviced apartments at Sky Suites KLCC. Located a stone’s throw from the iconic Petronas Twin Towers, these furnished units that range from 649sf to 849sf in size are available for rent to small groups at approximately RM1,500-RM3,000 per month. Hom's collection of beautiful co-living spaces is also available at Novum in Bangsar South, with more to come in the pipeline.

The company's founders Felix Ferdinand and Bryan Lim are on a daring mission to make living in the city, where real estate prices are sky high, more accessible.

Stoically unfazed by the Covid-19 pandemic, the duo counts themselves lucky to have made it this far in launching their first co-living space in spite of the challenging past few months.


“In a time of crisis, urbanites need a greater sense of community more than ever,” notes CEO Ferdinand whose experience in real estate, finance and commercial planning proved to be enormously useful in this start-up. “We know people who spent the entire duration of the MCO alone, confined within four walls. But when you stay with friends whom you know and love, there’s a sense of caring for each other, cooking together and more that just bring people closer. That’s really what Hom is all about.”

(Hom is) a tool that helps young urbanites to find not just a place to stay, but also a community they could fit in with.

To Know In Malaysia

The target audience? Working millennials and urban nomads who dream of living closer to their workplaces in the city.

The goal? To simplify the often daunting process of renting and settling into these inaccessible city living spaces via one user-friendly platform.

“My family was based in Indonesia for a while, but when I came back to Malaysia, I was living alone,” shares COO Lim, who also lived and worked in China prior to moving back to Kuala Lumpur for good. “It was kind of lonely — I didn’t know my neighbours at all. We were living in the same building but we were strangers.”

After meeting through a mutual acquaintance, Ferdinand and Lim kept in touch. Though he initially planned to remain in China a little longer for work, Lim decided to return home to join forces with Ferdinand to solve a problem that they both relate to.


“When you look at Jakarta, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur and other big cities in Southeast Asia, the same problems exist,” Lim says. “First, commuting every day in heavy traffic is not ideal. Housing is also an issue and people don’t want to live too far from where they work. Once they do end up moving to the city, they often feel lonely and isolated.”

Ferdinand shares that the initial idea they had for Hom was an app that helped people to get to know their neighbours. Along the way, it adapted to become a tool that helps young urbanites to find not just a place to stay, but also a community they could fit in with.

Apart from finding accommodation, tenants can rely on Hom’s community managers to schedule informal get-togethers with existing tenants (fondly known as ‘homies’) or other applicants who might be a good match for them.   

“Coming from a real estate background, I knew our focus shouldn’t be just about making a cool app but a practical one,” Ferdinand says. Lim adds: “And honestly, an app doesn’t create community, people do."

They plan to launch a Hom mobile app and expand to prime areas like Mont Kiara and more very soon. The industrious duo shows us the impactful side of start-up life and why the road to success needn’t be a solo journey.


We want to reduce the fear that comes with moving out and renting your own space.

What challenges did you face in launching Hom?

Lim: A lot of people don’t know what co-living is. The most common response we get is: “Is it like tiny partitioned rooms and shared kitchens? Bunkbeds and stuff?" It was a challenge to get people to understand what we're doing.

Ferdinand: Of course, in recent months, Hom’s launch was affected by the partial lockdown. But internally, our team was accelerated. The pandemic really reinforced how important it is to have community. 

How will Hom meet the needs of young working adults in the city?

F: It will bring accessibility to more people, open up more living spaces, and bring community back into the city. People living in Subang or Shah Alam who work in KLCC can shorten the time it takes to commute to work and live in a secure community where maintenance, billing and other housing-related matters can be done entirely through an app.

Tell us more about the soon-to-launch Hom app.

L: Our brand is all about relating to millennials, right? For many of them, it might be their first time moving out, renting a space on their own, managing paperwork and paying bills. Today, if I wanted to find a space in KLCC, I'll be able book it through the app and just move in – no messy paperwork needed. Through the app, people will be able to make monthly rental payments, schedule for housekeeping, request for maintenance services, meet other people living under Hom or maybe even transfer to another Hom building easily.

How do you select the location of Hom's co-living spaces?

F: First, we look at locations that are commercially viable – it should be a place that has banks, public transportation, commercial districts and job opportunities. Then we look into demographics, and what people like to do there. Because of this, each property presents a different design philosophy and set of experiences that match that demographic. 

Do the design themes vary across different Hom units?

F: It depends. For each venue, the design changes based on behaviour. Some people might think the design of this particular property isn’t that impressive or luxurious, but it serves a function and a purpose. Do the people here work from home? How much time do they spend in communal areas? Do they even need a big-screen TV when they mostly watch shows on their phones and laptops? To us, good design is a by-product of functionality.

Ferdinand has experience in finance and real estate.
Lim, worked in a digital marketing and branding role while in China before returning home to launch the startup
Lim, worked in a digital marketing and branding role while in China before returning home to launch the startup
What’s it like running a startup with a friend?

F: Personality-wise, we’re totally different, but what matters is that we want to solve the same problem. We have the same values, the same principles and the same faith to back us up. We manage different teams but we back each other up all the time, and I'm grateful for that.

L: It boils down to having the same values. There are friends you can do business with and friends you would just prefer to hang out with.

What’s the one thing you can’t live without in your own homes?

L: My laptop. I work and watch movies on it.   

F: I can’t live without my phone. And maybe also my hair-dryer.

What change do you want to drive in real estate in the next few years?

F: In the future, we want to work closely with government agencies, the housing ministry and property developers. The property sector is a very highly-regulated industry, property prices are expensive and people our age can’t afford them. Even if they can, they look for something more inclusive, and that’s where we hope to come in and change things. 

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Just like workers dormitory
Many workers squeeze in limited spaces. That's it.

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Isnt this just like renting a room? Except it is cleaner and it seems to be a higher grade. Big market demand isnt it?
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I'd just ignore them. No point discussing with those hard-headed trolls/naysayers.

The one important question to ask is, is there any unit owner in Malaysia who is willing to enter into this market, rennovate and manage it as such?

Or would they just hand this to a co-living organisation/client to do this?

Kommune is possible because it's managed directly by UOA's hospitality arm and built with this purpose in mind. I'd probably see SOHO, SOFO, etc., such as Exsim's Ceylon Suites and the Hub @ SS2 as possible if the unit owners are willing to accept a co-living organisation/client to manage it or if they do it themselves properly.

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I'd just ignore them. No point discussing with those hard-headed trolls/naysayers.

The one important question to ask is, is there any unit owner in Malaysia who is willing to enter into this market, rennovate and manage it as such?

Or would they just hand this to a co-living organisation/client to do this?

Kommune is possible because it's managed directly by UOA's hospitality arm and built with this purpose in mind. I'd probably see SOHO, SOFO, etc., such as Exsim's Ceylon Suites and the Hub @ SS2 as possible if the unit owners are willing to accept a co-living organisation/client to manage it or if they do it themselves properly.
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In my previous post, I did mention that this will work in commercial spaces such as shoplots or commercial buildings.

I'd agree that with condos/serviced residences, be prepared to face objections by the residents.

And as a long-time condo resident, the only time I'll complain if the neighbour(s) next door, above or below are noisy or if there's a water leakage from above. This is regardless if the neighbour is an own-stay or a tenant.
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Hope they can fill it up ASAP.
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Let's use Zizz @ Damansara North as a litmus test to see how successful this concept is in a residential setting. Probably may need a year or more to see how this turns out. If the residents, including the co-living ones, can get along together, then I'm sure this can be replicated elsewhere. Same case goes for AirBnB, but I've yet to see a single article regarding successful cases where the latter and the residents of any residential condo/service residents getting along well.

This AIRBNB unfriendly condo, Please help input if you know of those (Investment) thread was discussing the topic at hand, but the views are skewed against AirBnB and mostly based on fears than actual instances.

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it's nothing new but in this world of shared platform and probably inspired by successes from both airbnb and grab/uber, a property manager looking after your units sounds like a genuine offering.

but similar to airbnb, grab, they are just the medium with almost nothing to lose.

depending on the contract structured, whether the room/bed is occupied or not, the property manager always win.
if occupied, they get fees, if not occupied, they may not incur any cost.
hence one needs to be very clear when entering into such contract/agreement.

it's almost the same as leasing your unit to an airbnb operator.
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https://cmxhub.com/managing-a-co-living-community/

The above is someone sharing her experience as one
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I've an ex-colleague who is now doing this full time.

To me it still seems like a fancier dorm living, but it seems like it is getting traction. But I thought it has to be done under a residential property and not a commercial one?
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To me it still seems like a fancier  dorm living, but it seems like it is getting traction. But I thought it has to be done under a residential property and not a commercial one?
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D'Latour and Damai Residences...

Will have to wait and see if it turns out well for both the operator and residents of those 2 projects since one is a serviced residence and the other is a high-end condo.
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For these hostel/ co-living spaces, do we need to sign any contract (yearly) or (monthly)?
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The Suite focus on co-working, co-living environment
By NST Business - January 20, 2021 @ 4:30pm

KUALA LUMPUR: Property developer DK-MY Properties Sdn Bhd has unveiled its latest project development called The Suite.

The Suite is a freehold, fully furnished and affordable development located in Jalan Ampang in Kuala Lumpur, created for modern day co-working and co-living environment.

The flexible layout at The Suite offers the advantage of having two independent spaces within a single unit whereby one can work smart and live smarter with a home and office address under one roof.

The Suite provides all the essentials and luxuries to maximise the residents business and daily necessities through its ecosystem of services and facilities, making it the next-generation innovation in collaborative work and living


Coupled with Malaysia's first 24/7 contactless concierge service Sama+, The Suite benefits from the hotel brand's standard of quality, management and services offered.

Managing director Danny Koek said in light of how consumer behavior is changing, developers have to listen to the market demand and cater to their needs.


Besides being an affordable, flexible living and work with investment appealing project and through Sama+, The Suite also offer services and solutions to the residents.

"We are able to fulfill all our residents' needs and provide them an Airbnb program to effectively manage their units for short or long-term rental income.

"With Sama+ offerings, it will definitely be an ideal hub for flexible living that provide a clear distinction of living and business space under one roof with an affluent address," he said.

With the new norms for work and living being introduced at such a rapid pace, The Suite units are designed to be versatile.

The flexible layout provides a clear distinction between living and workspaces without the need to commute or leave the building during this pandemic.

Residents are able to work privately without worrying about the usual work-from-home distractions.

Alternatively, the space could be used for businesses or other forms of spatial adaptations, such as re-purposing your investment for short or long-term rental income with significant capital gains.

Other services offered include visitor management for business and social, house moving assistance, cleaning services, parcel services and more.

This provides a hassle-free home ownership experience with the current and post-pandemic era.

With an integrated smart home internet of things (IoT) system, The Suite is Kuala Lumpur's flagship project that promotes a carefree and smarter lifestyle.
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If the government outlaws room partitioning, will the rental price come down? since you have fewer rooms to choose from. brows.gif



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QUOTE(W.ROOK @ Mar 30 2023, 10:13 AM)
Every action has an opposite reaction.

If the government outlaws room partitioning, will the rental price come down? since you have fewer rooms to choose from. brows.gif
P/s I don't do room rental (for now)
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If the govt disallowed room partition, this will instantly push up the property price + rental since supply of rooms has reduced drastically.

Demand for rooms suddenly increase and is good news to Owner since may able to get higher rental but to deal with lesser tenants.
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QUOTE(W.ROOK @ Mar 30 2023, 10:13 AM)
Every action has an opposite reaction.

If the government outlaws room partitioning, will the rental price come down? since you have fewer rooms to choose from. brows.gif
P/s I don't do room rental (for now)
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Developer will create a new layout I guess.
One without living room or only small common area.
So no legality issue after this as it is the original approved layout.

Example as below:

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Developer will create a new layout I guess.
One without living room or only small common area.
So no legality issue after this as it is the original approved layout.

Example as below:

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Garden Plaza @ Cyberjaya 😂

This is limited to their "Student Suite" units, their "Family Suite" has more typical layout.

Obviously designed for investment purpose.
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Garden Plaza @ Cyberjaya 😂

This is limited to their "Student Suite" units, their "Family Suite" has more typical layout.

Obviously designed for investment purpose.
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This one more extreme, haha.
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This one more extreme, haha.
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The previous one doesn't.
Brace for fungus if poor ventilation in the toilet. Luckily only three ppl staying.
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Anyone has experience or ever heard about Wetopia?

Any catch?

A bit scary when they said need autodebit, especially after read some negative comments on social media, about their response after tennant made payment sweat.gif
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Anyone has experience or ever heard about Wetopia?

Any catch?

A bit scary when they said need autodebit, especially after read some negative comments on social media, about their response after tennant made payment  sweat.gif
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Same owner as Fxx Cxxxxx who wanted to sue Lowyat Net for commenting bad things about them.
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CEO: how do sell a condo where we pack people in like sardines?
Marketing: let's call it co-living and make it sound cool to live in a community. The idiots will fall for it.
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daymne I'm totally lost lol. But read some comments on social media, nahhhhhhhhh bruce.gif
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Under important topics, you will see one with "Content Ban".
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penang high kelas taman of RM1.5m landed house, got landlord sewa 7 houses to bangla with each house having 32 ppl

residents have been complaining since Aug 2022, to ahli dewan rakyat, dewan negeri, and majlis, but no actions taken

residents got triggered as ahli majlis asked them to cope living with bangla and dont discriminate

https://www.orientaldaily.com.my/news/north...23/04/09/558501
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226 foreign workers living in wretched conditions rescued in Nilai

NILAI: The labour department raided illegal premises in Bandar Baru Nilai here and rescued 226 foreign workers living in wretched conditions today.

Human resources minister V Sivakumar said the employers had failed to adhere to the Minimum Standards of Housing, Accommodation and Employee Facilities Act 1990 (Act 446).

He said the workers comprised Bangladesh and Nepal foreign nationals in their 20s to 40s.

They had entered the country through the foreign workers’ quota approved for three cleaning companies and a manufacturing company, he added.

Sivakumar said they were placed temporarily at the transit accommodation premises about 40 days ago and some of them had not yet found work as promised.

“We inspected the transit home and it was very disappointing to see the workers living under such conditions.

“They were clueless as to what was happening and were very worried about their future.

“Some were even shedding tears. From their distraught faces, it was clear they were emotionally disturbed.

“We noticed there were three levels, with each floor of 1,800 square feet accommodating over 60 individuals.

“This is a violation of the law and is dangerous. If there happens to be a fire and so on, what would be their fate?” he said after the raid.

Sivakumar warned employers that the ministry would not compromise in such matters and reminded them to provide suitable and decent accommodation.

He said the companies must ensure there are job openings for foreign workers before they are brought into the country.

Following the raid, Sivakumar said four investigation papers were opened in accordance with Section 24D of Act 446 against the four employers involved in the case.

He said all of the foreigners would also be moved immediately today to more conducive premises located about 30km away to ensure their welfare and safety.

“In addition, we will also find them new employers who are really in need of workers,” he said, adding that the raid was carried out after the ministry received a tip-off from the Bangladesh high commission.

Meanwhile, checks by newsmen found that the foreigners were made to sleep on bunk beds and old mattresses, with only two to three industrial fans in sight.

The area was also poorly lit and not well-ventilated.

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Another new record. Garden plaza at 450sqft doing 3 rooms previously is considered too much.
Now the record is at Neu Suite.
430sqft, convert into 3 rooms.


Room rental aka "co living" is here. The usual bulk purchase group by Iconix under GC.
Refer this video:




Guess this 430sqft layout can convert into how many rooms?

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ May 27 2023, 11:04 PM)
Another new record. Garden plaza at 450sqft doing 3 rooms previously is considered too much.
Now the record is at Neu Suite.
430sqft, convert into 3 rooms.
Room rental aka "co living" is here. The usual bulk purchase group by Iconix under GC.
Refer this video:


Guess this 430sqft layout can convert into how many rooms?

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30 units per floor, served by 6 lifts. If every unit is "renovated" to add a room for co-living then 30x3=90 rooms per floor.
In the video, they already waited a while from facility floor just to enter the lift.





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Tragedy needs to occur for this to be addressed.

This Gary person looks like a total sleaze bucket.
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30 units per floor, served by 6 lifts. If every unit is "renovated" to add a room for co-living then 30x3=90 rooms per floor.
In the video, they already waited a while from facility floor just to enter the lift.
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Developer built a co living village since is a trend now.
Nice concept. Room rate starting from RM780. All rooms with en-suite baths. Not bad.

Location at Setapak. By skyworld.


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Developer built a co living village since is a trend now.
Nice concept. Room rate starting from RM780. All rooms with en-suite baths. Not bad.

Location at Setapak. By skyworld.


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Co-living basically a purpose built hostel with communal facilities for short/long term stay la. Very common in BKK, Aust etc..

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Co-living basically a purpose built hostel with communal facilities for short/long term stay la. Very common in BKK, Aust etc..
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many low end hotel now converted to co living. price very competitive to condo sweat.gif
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many low end hotel now converted to co living. price very competitive to condo sweat.gif
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Yes, i am all for this type of conversion to co-living tagline ie from low end hotel, upgraded hostel, shoplots, business park lots etc registered by any legal business entity (register your premises legally).

So long its not private residential housings.

Wannabes residential housing landlord-investors. What to do sublet, just to it right.

Worst, are the operators that go between owners and tenants. Making the best of 2 desperates and claimed 'God' of saviour

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Yes, i am all for this type of conversion to co-living tagline ie from low end hotel, upgraded hostel, shoplots, business park lots etc registered by any legal business entity (register your premises legally).

So long its not private residential housings.

Wannabes residential housing landlord-investors. What to do sublet, just to it right.

Worst, are the operators that goes between owners and tenants. Making the best of 2 desperates and claimed 'God' to saviour
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back to basic, got demand, got supply.
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Yes, i am all for this type of conversion to co-living tagline ie from low end hotel, upgraded hostel, shoplots, business park lots etc registered by any legal business entity (register your premises legally).

So long its not private residential housings.

Wannabes residential housing landlord-investors. What to do sublet, just to it right.

Worst, are the operators that goes between owners and tenants. Making the best of 2 desperates and claimed 'God' to saviour
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no supply, where to find demand... lol... ask the government why they build so much and why so many still buying for investment purposes despite the stagnant in rental rate and capital appreciation... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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no supply, where to find demand... lol... ask the government why they build so much and why so many still buying for investment purposes despite the stagnant in rental rate and capital appreciation...  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Where else ppl park their money? KLSE in doldrums, FD rate sucks, Unit trust lose money, Forex...don't even..., crypto....suicide lah.... looks like investment options running out.
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Where else ppl park their money? KLSE in doldrums, FD rate sucks, Unit trust lose money, Forex...don't even..., crypto....suicide lah.... looks like investment options running out.
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QUOTE(deedeee @ Aug 3 2020, 10:38 AM)
Its just jazzing up the concept in which you rent out separate rooms. But this time more emphasis is placed on the shared space, i.e. the kitchen, living room etc.
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My question is how is it co-living where partitions are made everywhere to remove any living room or dining area? It’s an oxymoron isn’t it? Call it what it is a dormitory where 4 bedrooms share 1 bathroom. Refugees have better amenities I believe.
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QUOTE(PAChamp @ Aug 17 2023, 12:40 PM)
Where else ppl park their money? KLSE in doldrums, FD rate sucks, Unit trust lose money, Forex...don't even..., crypto....suicide lah.... looks like investment options running out.
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the rich will get richer with their low risk bond investments, just another RM12bil of foreign funds invested into local sukuk last few mths... the middle income and below, wont go anywhere with lack of choices... anyway majority of the properties in msia dont need you to park money in it, all are mostly 100% leveraged biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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no supply, where to find demand... lol... ask the government why they build so much and why so many still buying for investment purposes despite the stagnant in rental rate and capital appreciation...  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Unfortunately this is how the government stimulates economic growth. You need to keep building, else a lot of people will be out of job
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Unfortunately this is how the government stimulates economic growth. You need to keep building, else a lot of people will be out of job
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It’s a very 80s mindset and unfortunately the public are the same. The plus side is that anyone (reasonably financially stable) who wants a home can get one.
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It’s a very 80s mindset and unfortunately the public are the same. The plus side is that anyone (reasonably financially stable) who wants a home can get one.
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More notes to keep

https://www.starproperty.my/news/property-n...renting-/125768

https://www.propertyrecommend.com/is-co-liv...al-in-malaysia/


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Even hotel operator offer co living



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It’s fine if it’s built from the ground up to support the function. You pretty much have individual dormitory rooms with ensuite and share communal kitchen/laundry etc. Its a more elevated form of a student dormitory.
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Aug 16 2023, 09:55 PM)
Developer built a co living village since is a trend now.
Nice concept. Room rate starting from RM780. All rooms with en-suite baths. Not bad.

Location at Setapak. By skyworld.


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This one is a smart concept, especially after the announcement on ending home that turn into partition unit
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https://metro.co.uk/2023/09/12/this-is-the-...nomad-19486895/

Good for Malaysia then
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post Jan 17 2024, 01:24 AM

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SkyWorld Development Bhd’s co-living space, named SkyBlox, at the 42-acre SkySanctuary township in Setapak, Kuala Lumpur, has achieved a Qlassic score of 86%. A statement last Friday (Jan 12) said this is the highest Qlassic score attained by the developer.

SkyBlox has been designed with a prefabricated modular system that allows for easy removal and relocation of units. The co-living development comprises 320 rooms with single beds, queen beds, or bunk bed options. The rooms have built-up sizes ranging from 106 to 160 sq ft. The units, which are all fully furnished, are priced from RM780 per month.

Rooms come fully equipped with all the essentials including study tables, chairs, beds, air-conditioning, attached bathrooms with water heaters, electrical hobs and refrigerators.

In the statement, SkyWorld chief executive officer Lee Chee Seng said that he recognises the growing trend of co-living among millennials and positions SkyBlox as an innovative response to this demand. “Coupled with exceptional facilities and SkyWorld’s unwavering commitment to quality, SkyBlox is poised to become the preferred choice for youth, students and young professionals seeking a unique and contemporary living experience.”

The development boasts shared amenities including a games room, communal kitchen, common lounge, laundry, alfresco dining space and parcel lockers for its residents.

Nearby amenities within the SkySanctuary township include the 2.92-acre SkySanctuary Central Park, an exclusive resident-only green lung that features a lake as well as several leisure and recreational facilities, and SAMA Square, which is SkyWorld’s newest commercial hub.

Meanwhile, the statement also highlighted that SkyBlox bagged the Silver Award at the Malaysian Institute of Interior Designers (MIID) Reka Awards 2023 for Design Excellence.





 

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