was interested in Grand Carnival as well.. but that is way over our budget. =( .. also was considering Starex but my parents dun like diesel vehicle..

Used one should be within your budget, since you didn't limit your option to new car.

modern diesel with particulate filter is very clean, and very quiet provided you pump euro5.

In as far as I am aware the ACR30 should have less electronics if compare to ACR50 or ACR55. And mind you, ACR50 has much smaller 3rd row seats due to the design on the seat which is capable of recess into the boot floor. More convenient but smaller seats.

However, all in all if your parent does not want a HUGE car, ACR50 is a good choice. For the same money you may get slightly newer car vs Vellfire.

If Exora is 5+2 then Innova is also 5+2 in your definition lah
Come on, dont try to mix it with BRV / Aruz / Alza. Those are real 5+2. (in fact the last row of seat is not suitable for adults)

I dont think you are looking at the right corner. Its a proper 7 seater. The last row can and will seat adults.
So Its either you mistaken it for Ertiga or you have never sat in one. Or you are against it.

Here is the facts. Lets compare with Innova (but I put others for clearer comparison, just in case you miss it)
And no I'm not putting Vellfire or Alphard inside cause it's pointless.

Dimensions	Wheelbase	Lenght	Width
Proton Exora	2730mm	4610mm	1809mm
Toyota Innova	2750mm	4735mm	1795mm
Proton Ertiga	2740 mm	4265mm	1695mm
Honda BRV	2662 mm	4457 mm	1677 mm
Perodua Aruz	2,685 mm	4,435 mm	1,695 mm

As you can see the wheelbase of Innova is just a mere 20mm longer while the Exora wins the width by mere 14mm.
There. I've made it clear.

To TS TaeNy35v also, here is a comparison chart I made for you. Click below. Sorry I cant get Vellfire 2012 aka ANH20

Comparison between Exora, Innova , Aruz , BRV and Vellfire (facelift 2.5L),

This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Jul 21 2020, 01:40 PM

i think they prefer a large car, just not too large like the Starex as feel waste of space for 11 seater. Also I will be the one driving, so for them is the seating comfort. hahahx.. I have no problem driving huge MPV. But yeah.. may consider ACR50.

Ok just incase anyone is wondering... My parents is looking for a family car as they like to travel. Most important is comfortable ride and enough luggage space... have a bad experience owning a 2003 Unser.. used for 4 months then change to 2005 Estima back in 2010..... Looking for similar to Estima comfort... not Unser style comfort...

This post has been edited by TaeNy35v: Jul 21 2020, 01:51 PM

Bro, if you are used to Estima would rather stick back to maybe newer Estima.
The handling & ride comfort of Alphad & Vellfire on highway is way less comfort compare to Estima due to its boxy shape.
If you always like to travel long distance on highway, Estima would be a better car.

Another option is Honda Odyssey which the driving experience is similar to Estima.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 21 2020, 02:14 PM

i second this. exora is a proper 7 seater. not 5+2.

Woow... thx alot man... this really helps

From how I see here... those vehicles that are 5+2 configuration are those with 5 doors... those true 7 or 8 seaters have sliding doors like Alphard, Veilfire, Serena... you get the gist of it.

oh yaa... i now also see it now.. 5+2 = 5 door... true 7 seater = sliding door...

Also do take note you are not moving people alone, but goods as well.

Normally when my travel travel, we had hard time nak isi semua beg! sakit kepala betul, especially when we are going for a longer trip/vacation

Luggage space is very very important

This post has been edited by Maknusia: Jul 21 2020, 04:24 PM

Nissan Serena

No, a seat is still a seat. Doors are not to be used to classified as whether its a true 5+2 or 7 seater.
So I don't get the gist of this logic. This is a first from you. Let's see how others will agree to your logic.

FYI, the most common Alphard or Vellfire models on the road now, are only 6 seaters. Not 7.
See how you wanna argue that with your sliding door theory. Why I say only 6 seater? Because the row in the middle is 2 "captain" seats, Not a bench in the middle. There is a "limited edition" Vellfire Royal Lounge which only has 4 seats. Four.

Serena on the other hand, its officially classified as 8 seater despite lower class than Alphard/vellfire. Because they have proper 8 seat configuration.

A bus has like 30+ seats yet only 1-2 sliding doors (or just 1). How about that? LOL.
Oh BTW, the ever low class Nissan Vanette also is a 7 seater in case you dont know. Sliding door too, without power doors.

So, TaeNy35v its up to you whether you want to take my advice, or his number of door logic advice.

To seat 6 person + luggage, assuming u're not putting them on the roof, at least something the size of an Alphard/Elgrand/Elysion/Carnival/Serena/Innova.

For sufficient torque, minimum a 2.4L or a 2.0L turbo. A Hyundai Santa Fe is actually a good choice, powerful 2.2L CRDI engine, nice handling for everyday usage. Just install a roof rack & u're good. 2015 used unit at RM60-70k.

For small MPVs but with spacious cabin, I prefer Honda Edix, Honda Freed or Toyota Sienta.

Very practical. They are all 6 seaters if I'm not mistaken.

Honda Edix can be owned for less than rm30k; Honda Freed for less than rm50k, & Toyota Sienta can be owned for less than rm80k in the used car market.

This post has been edited by amscouzach57: Jul 22 2020, 07:57 AM

I get where you are coming from and this is my recent observation of the trend since this topic has been brought up.

FYI, those with captain chairs are 7 seaters not 6 as the last row sits three. The lower trim level comes in the 8 seater configuration.

The previous Serena was an 8 seater but the current model is sold only 7 seater due to more popular demand for captain chairs.

I won't want to compare the bus as well... it's a bus... and yes, I do know about the Vanettes or Hiaces... the have a single sliding door... and still affirms my argument of dedicated 7 or 8 instead of the child sized folding chairs.

And on side note if you have not notice, the Sienta or the Freed... they too come with sliding doors and they have dedicated 6 seats(mind you not 5+2).

Anyway... for the sake TaeNy35v getting the sufficient info he needs, the 5+2 configuration may not be suitable for you case as you want to move a family size bigger than 5 and still have sufficient room for your luggages. The +2 is somewhat unwritten rule for either luggages or two extra ppl... comfort wasn't much considered plus it was more for versability. So, you are better off with an mpv that has a thought for dedicated seats and sufficient luggage space.

This post has been edited by aquilaTE: Jul 22 2020, 09:17 AM

The most sensible and considerate suggestion so far. Many ppl never look at TS usage of going long journey road trip, and keep suggesting those city MPV.
I think for 3-4 days trip, and pack light, most can get away without the need of roof rack. Hopefully TS's kid is not an infant that need a stroller.

- 3rd row up, left barely any baggage space.
- 1.5L full load 5 adults + 1 kid
- 8hr+ trip - KL to Thailand, have they even sit in the 3rd row before?
- Unstable ride for 8hr+

I sat Alza/BRV/Sienta/Serena/CX-9/Pajaro Sport 3rd row before. The only one I don't mind to sit for long journey is CX-9.

So totally agree for long journey using full size SUV/MPV without sliding door, we need like SantaFe, XC90, CX-9 etc. Else better stick with MPV Alphard/Velfire/Grand Carnival/Starex, which TS used to own.

Serena 3rd row have decent knee room, but the head rest is weird, seat design also weird, neck sore after 5-10min. I ended up sit sideway to avoid the head rest.

TS purpose is long journey road trip to Thailand/Singapore, 5+1 passengers.

Sienta etc.. are small city MPV, best use in downtown 40km/h-60km/h.

Yes... true... my family consist of
-Parents around age of 60
-Me ( tour guide driver whom will never get to feel how the passenger / middle / 3rd row feels like )
- Siblings ( aged 25, 17, 6 no stroller )

-Currently using CR-V ( very not suitable as cant fit 4 ppl behind... defnitely not suitable for long journey ) + only good thing is luggage room.
-Hence need a 4 seat behind... prefer 2 pilot seats for my parents in middle row.


Usually will bring 2 cars due to lack of space. But too costly and my parents don't want to drive / dont want my sis to drive.


So yeah... for city driving, will just stick to our CRV.... but long distance is the issue... need my passengers feel comfortable...