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SweetTooth
post Aug 3 2007, 11:33 PM

 
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Aug 3 2007, 11:16 PM)
im not looking at song playing timing, that i think a metronome should work. but what i want to know is like how to phrase my notes in a 4/4, like how am i to fit a 1/8 inside a 4.4 at 80 bpm? my stuff comes up either exceeding the bar or an incomplete bar
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kinda like the problem i have. irregular time signatures or stuff like that
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post Aug 3 2007, 11:48 PM

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1/8? u mean 8th notes or what? i've never seen a 1/8 time sig before.

If it's 8th notes all u have to do is count 1 n 2 n 3 n 4 n. Nothing too hard.

If weird timing 7/8 or 5/4 or stuff like that u can always break down into say 2+3 or 4+3 etc etc. Better then to use a metronome that doesnt accent on the 1 since it may throw you off.
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post Aug 3 2007, 11:55 PM

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i think he may be talking about when doing a solo.
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post Aug 4 2007, 12:56 AM

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record yourself practicing with a metronome. thats one of the best ways to know how far you're off. sometimes just playing along with a metronome you wouldnt know how much u suck.

if you're talking about odd time signatures. go watch some of mike portnoy's instructional vids. he explains it very well and practical even for guitarist.

if you're talking about 8th notes. start from the very beginning. like learning how to even clap properly to a metronome, move on to tapping your feet properly to learning how to play one note properly before moving on.

since im probably the laziest guitarist around here. i just learn the songs, practice it til it becomes muscle memory and by the time u hit the stage u can just play and have fun without thinking too much (heck, i even daydream sometimes when i'm bored on stage. stuff like where am i going to have supper after all this. lol)
crazychris
post Aug 4 2007, 01:50 AM

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QUOTE(Bassix @ Aug 3 2007, 07:18 PM)
metronome is for practice only. In songs/band/etc the drummer is the metronome. Stick with him and don'T bother about anything else.
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i 2nd to tis smile.gif
practising wit a metronome....is jz practise....
jamming wit a Gud drummer is stil the best

other wise....get a drum machine or smtn
smile.gif utilising the drum patterns in my zoom pedal
quite fun keke luv the funk riffs
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post Aug 4 2007, 10:51 AM

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Learning how to subdivide is also very useful... smile.gif

Example:

If you are on Common time (4/4) and you play Crotchet(1/4 notes) then you count each of them as, 1 2 3 4


If you are on Common time (4/4) and you play quavers(1/8 notes) then you count, 1 n 2 n 3 n 4 n


If you are on Common time (4/4) and playing semi-quavers(1/16 notes) then you count 1 e n a 2 e n a 3 e n a 4 e n a



You may find subdivision very useful when you play songs that have many "Off-beats"


Example: If you are on Common time again (4/4) and you have to play

Dotted Crotchet(1/4+1/8) followed by a quaver(1/8) and then again Dotted Crotchet(1/4+1/8) and a quaver(1/8)


Subdivide in "Quavers" and Count out 1n 2(Dotted Crotchet) n(Quaver) 3n 4(Dotted Crotchet) n(Quaver) and so on..


crazychris
post Aug 4 2007, 02:17 PM

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ouch! more of a feel time player...

stil hav problem reading complicated crotchets miniums quavers
aaa!!! pening
SweetTooth
post Aug 4 2007, 05:37 PM

 
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i just learned some jazz timings today and its screwing with my brain rclxub.gif
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post Aug 4 2007, 07:02 PM

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jazz is easy. Just listen to the ride cymbal and follow it.

Fusion is something else. Latin fusion is even worse
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post Aug 4 2007, 10:40 PM

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Jazz is all about knowing how to "Swing" literally and musically laugh.gif
Equilibrium777
post Aug 4 2007, 11:58 PM

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jazz is mostly in 4 4 and 5 4 so shouldn't be a prob. . .

try prog. . . xD

stuff like 11's and stuff pops up =.=
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post Aug 5 2007, 12:28 AM

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DT ??
i disect 'em into 3notes 5notes or more sequences...
easier to hafal

but newer DT songs...pening


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post Aug 5 2007, 12:39 AM

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newer easier. . .

try Awake album. . . LMAO THAT is pening. . .xD
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post Aug 5 2007, 01:11 AM

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Yeah newer DT songs are more comprehensible...
Try Dance of Eternity and the Awake album...
And as for Falling into Infinity, it's soooooooooooo 4/4, it became incomprehensible to DT fans...


Added on August 5, 2007, 1:13 amI like to stick with a drummer that actually sticks to a metronome...

This post has been edited by Rossie: Aug 5 2007, 01:13 AM
Everdying
post Aug 5 2007, 01:27 AM

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bleh.
DT play 4/4, 3/4, or whatever also.
its not as if most ppl can play them tongue.gif
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post Aug 5 2007, 02:32 AM

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actually all in the mind. . .

if you work on it sure can play 1 =)

and yeah. . . i can't work with drummers that don't use a metronome anymore =.= tried jamming with one and i find myself getting fairly frustrated =(
SweetTooth
post Aug 5 2007, 03:06 AM

 
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i do like what echo does, listen to the song enough and play it from your head thumbup.gif counting spoils the fun of playing
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post Aug 5 2007, 08:56 AM

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well you don't really need to count actually. . .

when you play long enough with a metronome, you'll develop a built in metronome in your mind. . .

it's just a matter of getting used to picking out the beats from the drum or the metronome. . .
SweetTooth
post Aug 5 2007, 01:03 PM

 
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ah i think i have what you mentioned^
the building the metronome in my mind. now everytime i hear a song somewhere(At a restaurant etc) i'll start tapping my foot to match the beat thumbup.gif
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post Aug 5 2007, 06:52 PM

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yeah yeah thats a very good way =)

just keep tapping whenever you hear a beat =)

btw a question here =)

What Time Signature is your telephone ring when you call someone?



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