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Maxieos
post Nov 2 2020, 06:13 AM

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I am quite confuse here , i seldom read about news around on broadband, normal people like me consider all new to it sad.gif
90% of all the Image hosted by you are https://www.imageupload.net/ gone , even on other thread, i suggest you upload to this forum attachment.

My question , Actually how many ISP is actually available in Malaysia ?
TIME , MAXIS , TNB , Astro ? Astro ISP ? or just a renting ?
Who is partner ? Allo with CIty Broadband as partner , TIME , Maxis and Astro partner ?

As for this thread , Allo Technology Sdn. Bhd is own by TNB which going to be an ISP with own cable and to expend in Ipoh ?
Compare to Maxis and Time (TIME base on KL only) all are using Tx network fibre renting about RM70 per port ?

Also there are some I don't understand , Allo renting Tx Line or they construct their own line digging the road ? Taking example as Maxis vs Allo different ? compare to maxis which you can switch from Uxxfx to maxis after contract over ?

Saw some of your post mention If uxxfx already cover the area/garden FDC Cabinet v1 but only specific road was not cover , Allo Fibre will not interfere / prioritize ? So Allo will not cover the road and leave it to Tx ? Problem sometimes an area is cover by Tx but some road more than 7 years still no fibre , how would you consider it as ?

Also , it is possible to have Allo and Tx Uxxfx together in an area or road ?

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post Nov 3 2020, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Nov 2 2020, 01:13 PM)
Any Allo sales lead who wants to answer his questions?

My images at the first post were all still intact last check. I WILL NOT take the chance to upload them on Pictr.com which is the image hosting partner of this forum for SECURITY and PRIVACY reasons. As you've noticed why most of my images on imageupload.net got removed. They didn't like me using TOR Browser to upload them anonymously and I must say many of the image hosting sites out there are indirectly related to intel agencies and authorities who does profiling with registered accounts. The image hosting provider for this forum pictr.com requires registration that is one of the main reasons why I choose not to use it but instead hot linked my images from external image hosting providers that accept TOR uploads.

You know those captchas which you need to solved are not child puzzles just to verify you as humans. They've other purposes such as to record your image canvassing data, your ping times to identify which region you're from and many other things. It isn't that simple.

Pertaining to your question, no Allo Technology S/B the data ISP division of TNB does not rent from others, it BUILDS its own last mile fibre network.

TM, TIME and TNB Allo all builds and operates their own individual last mile fibre networks but they allow layer 2/3 arrangements by other ISPs to route through them with their own accounts. From the OLT switches at the exchange until the fibre modem at the customer's premise is individually owned by them(Allo, TM or TIME) while they allow partnering ISPs to route their connections back to their data centres making use of their last mile infras.

About the overlapping of infra with existing TM coverage, it depends on the telco's budget and interests to provide competition in that particular area or not. If they feel that the area/housing garden is worth attacking or putting up the challenge to the already existing telco they they might have a go.

But I don't think Allo's original plan was to put up a direct fight with TM and steal all their customers away. They wanted to cover areas which were neglected by TM and comfortably have those areas to themselves such as the wide Blue Ocean strategy but unfortunately TM "JUMPED" and got grilled by political parties for their bad handling approach and thus they didn't want to lose out those areas to other players since they already served them copper for so many years.

You see, the strategy for deploying passive optics is to bring a certain "quantity" to an area to break even and achieve profitability. No point if you'd just pull a few strands of fibre to an area and service a few homes. Your maintenance alone will exceed your revenues unless the users a prepared to pay premium prices or dedicated P2P lines. A street cabinet can serve up to about 2000 ports per garden/area. If your area is already served by TM Unifi, do you think it might be a risk for a smaller ISP such as Allo to bet their stakes in those areas just to cover a few roads ignored by TM.

Also there's lots of considerations you need to put in mind, not only occupying ports, logical/virtual stuffs such as IP pool sizes, are most people on TM already tied with long contracts, bandwidth capacity, etc..
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I am not sure how secure it would be for Pictr , why not just upload to your server , i can't view any of your picture due to imageupload.net remove all the picture.
As long as it's not something that important , i don't think what 'so call agency' doing any harm.If talk about security , it'll be another whole new thread sweat.gif

I appreciate for the long explanation.As for Allo , sometimes some area are said to be cover by Tx Uxxfx but only 1/3 of the area was cover.Some street are the same as well.
I think all of us hope another ISP like Allo willing to emerge compete or overlapping infra with Tx .A single company which mention that will cover an area for year but not able to do so and no help with complains given.
Not a few home , it's like an area of 10000 resident while Tx cover only 3000 left 7000 resident without fibre.Some front row of houses have while the back of the row are not.Adding up would be like every 3 rows, 2 row of house miss out for years.
Once Allo is install , i am sure it'll be an achievable profitability in the long run by taking example as Mobile Telco.

I do get what you mention , most Tx tied with contact but is it same as mobile Telco ??
2 years can be long but is it a good opportunity taking the current covid condition WFH including education center ?
The faster Allo deploy their Fibre the higher the chances user will subscribe Allo.At the current initial stage , the most important part for an ISP like Allo is to do a survey on how many resident willing to have fibre.
Without a survey , there will be no solid evident on the amount of resident require a fibre.

Speaking in technical part , does a single a FDC for Tx Uxxfx v1 HSBB actually support 2000 ports ? I did ask at Uxxfx section but i get various answer , some mention v1 only support 200 houses , not sure about v2 v3 . https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...post&p=98164740 .
I am not sure whether it's correct , 1 cabinet 2000 ports = 2000 resident houses can get fibre also depends on how many user subscribe higher mbps speed.
How do we scout where does Tx install their FDC type and location ? it's not like they are willing to tell us.Later when complain = no port.
Allo using the same Tech as Tx ?

Previously , we can still search for Uxxfx area at their official web using googlemap but not for now which require all the hassle going to tmpoint and livechat calling 100.
Does Allo able to search with google map available area ?

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post Nov 22 2020, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Nov 3 2020, 11:21 AM)
I think T company are purposely removing to avoid kantoi/complain by customer, so that they can sell their confuse naming scheme UniScam Lite/Standard/Mobile/Postpaid plan to the end users.

Also good way to avoid competitors to check, and avoid customer to do comparison on coverage like why no expand here or there.
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If that is a reason , it's really a nasty way on doing things by avoiding customer to check for coverage.
It's making customer more a burden to call and chat live to them for every updates.

all the plan also confusing.
QUOTE(akhito @ Nov 3 2020, 01:56 PM)
Now can still check just need to submit ur phone number to get TAC. U just pura pura pick one package and then check ur location. Cuz for some place only have tm infra so tm no port maxis, digi celcom all say got coverage but will tell u no port.
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You can't do the same with same phone number.If can , can you show me to do it ?

QUOTE(Candy12 @ Nov 3 2020, 12:38 AM)
My hopes and situation is probably very similar to yours. Area already covered by Unifi, chances of Allo overlapping is slim to none.

Business politics and rivalry can be very nasty in our country. Some of the larger ISPs do not want to expand their home fibre network not because they can't afford to but they fear many issues might arise with all sorts of risks they'll have to bear.

That's why they're more interested in deploying 5G. Easier and less hassle to their customers. Just collect the CPE modem, return home plug in the power cord and connected within secs. Speed wise in excess of gigabits and latency is said to rival fibre with 1ms to 1st hop(base station).

That way they can have better control of their pricing and subscription plans. No need expensive build outs, heavy cabling and complicated installations/drilling.

It is realizable as 5G equipments continue to drop in price in the near future. Only their base stations needs heavy fiberization. No need to wire up until the customer's home.
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5G can never be compete with Fiber.Both are different tech , also with speed cap and limited data , 5G is same as current 4G/3G.
Umobile - Unlimited data but speed capped at 5mb
Other telco and ISP also the same , with fair usage T&C.All tethering data through PC count differently.WFH all of us sure using PC to tethering from a mobile phone.

I do believe Allo will expend through the area with cover by Uxxfx in future.
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post Nov 22 2020, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Oct 23 2020, 10:50 PM)
Considering our country's economy now many companies will have very tight budget now.

Bercham, Ipoh Gardens, Pasir Putih/Pinji, Simpang Pulai all not sure if they'll have 3rd phase of expansion returning back to Ipoh after Allo completes its expansion to Batu Gajah.

They're now also going after Penang, Kedah, and Johor after this.Need to allocate significant budget over those places.
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QUOTE(jcws87 @ Oct 24 2020, 09:56 PM)
Well @culain99 in our early discussion at this forum, some of us have given our point-of-view on why Allo doesn't cover the whole ipoh city. From the observation, Allo only rollout it service to area unserve by T× U××f× and some believe Allo don't want to overlap with it.

But when T× heard about Allo plan, T× have been aggressively this year by laying new cable and setting up FDC around ipoh city (noticeably at Pasir Pinji, Pengkalan, Menglembu area).

But don't lose hope, maybe in the future Allo might cover other area that is already covered by T×. An agent once told me this earlier "Rome wasn't built in one day".
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QUOTE(jcws87 @ Nov 4 2020, 03:59 PM)
Whether TNB Allo coverage will overlap with T×, no definite answer was given.

For the package IP address, it use Dynamic IP as stated in their website.
https://www.citybroadband.my/residential/
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Nov 20 2020, 01:06 PM)
that area already got UniFi which Allo no plan to overlapping with existing competitors.
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I heard that Allo willing to overlapping for Business area together with resident area even with Tx Uxxfx starting 2021 if they can get around 35-50% of the population area + subscriber willing to switch to Allo ISP.
Is it true ? all allo agent gathering people to sign up or demand list first now ? Where to sign up ?
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post Nov 24 2020, 06:34 AM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Nov 23 2020, 12:31 PM)
Yes for business but not for residential for overlapping.

Allo have no brand presence. I do a quick survey in my local Taman FB Group, 'Akhirnya, apa pandangan anda jika Unifi/Allo datang ke Taman XXX jika, TM Unifi RM69/129 for 39/100mbps vs TNB Allo RM79/99 for 50/100mbps'
Result are 80% prefer to choose TM over a never heard before TNB Allo (inb4 they branding as CityBroadband Allo instead of TNB)

So thats why most pity consumer stucked with another 24 months contract under TM before they can switch over, if Allo decided to grab the market share.
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I am not sure , but I do heard Allo is willing to overlapping.Maybe Candy12 can explain more on Fiber layout network.

Normally at Perak or Ipoh Business or Industrial area are very close with resident area.Less than 1km can consider business area.Example , when we pass through MH hotel , Median area is consider Business+Industrial area , just beside the Aeon are resident area garden.

the layout map is , somewhere , Fiber must pass through resident area and layout to Business area.Why deploying Allo fiber , all comes to business model graph whether they are willing to Share their PON or something to resident.
If the resident area all together willing to sign a petition to request to Allo , I know some resident area are either Port full or some particular street doesn't have DP but next road side have uxxfx many years.


QUOTE(NightFelix @ Nov 23 2020, 12:39 PM)
Even I'm the person always up to date with latest tech news. I also get confuse with the plan.
Unifi Lite = Previously Streamyx and the Fibre (and/or VDSL) with 60GB Monthly Quota
Unifi (the Standard) = Normal Fibre or the mainstream different plan with tv box stupid bundle craps
Unifi Business = Normal Fibre but for Business
Unifi Air (Wireless Broadband) = The Webe (also known as P1 Wimax)
Unifi Mobile Prepaid (BEBAS branding) = Prepaid Mobile Plan
Unifi Mobile Postpaid = Postpaid Mobile Plan

There are more complex details each of it, by just reading above product name already confuse AF.

If Time/Maxis/Allo can provide coverage check on their website, why can't TM?
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just to ask a package ,call to 100 need to listen to their ads music more than 5-10 minutes waiting , chatlive queue over 50 people.

All the package name changes non stop that is messing up subscriber.The most confusing is Uxxfx Lite.How can Smyx rename to Uxxfx ?
Uxxfx should be under Fiber categories tech where Smyx is Under DSL tech.Both are different but put under the same Name. rclxub.gif
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post Nov 24 2020, 06:34 AM

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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Nov 23 2020, 05:09 PM)
I really hope Allo comes to residential ares that are covered by UxxfX. For sure they might get a better market share then. I am one for a fact willing to pay for 1Gbps (current 300Mbps UxxfX plan).
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Maybe an Allo agent here could help to sign up 1st or you can find some resident to sign up together and submit to the agent.They will know how to do and install to your residential area even with uxxfx available.

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QUOTE(Xelnagakail @ Nov 30 2020, 03:19 AM)
Allo now have change their FDP into white color
https://www.facebook.com/AlloCBBWiFi/videos/204541104534022
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Normally , setting up a FDP to install all through DP , how long does the process take ?
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post Dec 2 2020, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(Xelnagakail @ Dec 1 2020, 01:35 PM)
Iirc, it takes around 3 to 4 months to setup on my TMN. Depend on how big is the TMN
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What are the phase on the timely schedule ?

-On setting up a FDC Phase from Server
-Cabling the fiber into the ground.
-Installing Pole

Area TMN 1km size around ?

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post Dec 14 2020, 09:30 PM

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Allo only for internet ? does it provide Phone call ? or VOIP ?

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post Dec 15 2020, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(jcws87 @ Dec 15 2020, 11:40 AM)
Yes Allo (via City Broadband) does have voice call. Need to add RM20. You can refer to https://www.citybroadband.my/residential/ (Residential package) for more info.
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The phone number , can it be transfer from Laneline number from Tx to Allo ?
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post Dec 16 2020, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Dec 15 2020, 09:39 PM)
Cannot, your landline numbers belongs to TM unless Unifi joins Allo as one of their partner ISP but then again you can only retain it if you use Unifi as your ISP.

Other ISPs are not allowed access to TM's range of landline numbers unless in future they agree on a MNP for landlines as well like mobile networks. laugh.gif
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How long is the phone number digit given by allo ?
What about choosing a good phone Landline number ? can allow choosing number you like ? or you can select a range of number like a postpaid when register a telco ?
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post Dec 17 2020, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(alandhw @ Dec 17 2020, 12:59 PM)
From maxis to unifi, the number cant maintain.
I assume Allo will be the same
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QUOTE(jcws87 @ Dec 17 2020, 01:57 PM)
Basically, both Allo and U××f× dont share each other network as of now. Maybe in the future.
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Can we choose a number or allo will give a random number ? I am nut sure about maxis.
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post Dec 22 2020, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Dec 22 2020, 05:11 PM)
Same goes to Taman Pasir Putih, Shatin Garden, Rose Garden all the way down Jalan Sultan Azlan Shah(Tiger Lane) until Ipoh Gardens.

Plenty of business to grab there.

Maybe less priority because many of the areas there already covered by Unifi for many years despite some of them still under old copper Streamyx infra.
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juzmafia I assume the list is for contractor working schedule for next year.

I am sure TNB is going to test out on whole Ipoh to see how much % user going to subcribe for Allo HSBB and also how much Uxxfx user going to switch from Uxxfx to Allo.
From the list can also predict ( Taman Pasir Putih, Shatin Garden, Rose Garden all the way down Jalan Sultan Azlan Shah(Tiger Lane) until Ipoh Gardens. ) will also get Allo by next year.

I am sure the demand of Allo quote of % user subscribing them had increase and even many user request for HSBB during ( work at home ).

Candy12 btw , actually where is Allo centralize their main Server exchange location at Perak ?
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QUOTE(Candy12 @ Jan 8 2021, 09:47 PM)
To take advantage of the extra added features such as fixed IP to all home users, FREEDOM DNS, symmetrical speeds, no VLAN tagging, no buffer bloat caps, DHCP authentication and 1Gbps, it is not possible that this conditions be deployed on the present TM HSBB network.

Moreover if they're jumping on TM HSBB, it would have already announced that major cities such as Penang, Alor Setar/Sg Petani, Kangar, Taiping, in the northern region be covered.

TNB has been tight lipped about their rollout in other part of Ipoh such as Ipoh Gardens etc. Many of the newer condos and apartments around that area are now under private open fibre arrangements such as the Upper East, Thompson, The Octagon, Majestic .

Here's a look at an example setup by XccessComm HSBB Sdn Bhd for the Upper East Condominium just off Tiger Lane. When they acquired Macro Lynx they had immediate access to such facilities.
http://thesun-epaper.com/Property/Septembe...publication.pdf
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As for what reason TNB has been tight lipped about their rollout in other part of Ipoh such as Ipoh Gardens etc. ?
If I remember someone asking and also said , Ipoh Garden most request area for broadband.
As i know , Ipoh Garden is actually highest demand where consist of residential , industrial area , shopping complex , different Bank , few Private hospital , Schools and all are circle around just only 2-3KM and beyond is Tasek+ Bercham and Tambun Sunway.

Highway from KL to Ipoh or Penang to Ipoh all are connected to the main centre Point (Ipoh Garden) Toll.If anyone have been ipoh , the first building you will see is MHhotel + Tesco , Aeon , Tasek industrial area.

I wounder when Allo will be coming to those high demand area and with no news at all.

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