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Ramjade
post Jun 19 2020, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(dudewhatisthis @ Jun 16 2020, 11:26 AM)
I heard malaysian citizens can apply for their invest account.
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Can. You need to think about how to fund and withdraw money.

QUOTE(dsl @ Jun 19 2020, 07:30 AM)
I’m Malaysian currently studying in the UK, so I was able to open an account effortlessly. This is new, I thought only UK residents can apply before this.
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Nope. Just make sure don't close your bank account when you lesve UK.

QUOTE(seanlam @ Jun 19 2020, 08:43 AM)
not sure if worth the time due to witholding tax by respective countries....eg US 30% ( can be lower down to 15% when u fill up a form W-8BEN)
witholding tax on dividend. How about if i sell the stock at cost? Next is capital gain taxable?

lastly, lets say i go for DRIP, am i subject to witholding tax? šŸ™„šŸ™„šŸ™„
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Of course. You cannot run away from dividend tax unl SS your country got treaty with Us govt.
Unfortunately Malaysia doesn't have. Hence you can I'll be taxed the full 30% if you buy US stocks or etf.

Ramjade
post Jun 20 2020, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(anwa @ Jun 20 2020, 07:57 AM)
Thanks, that's a good idea !

Do you fully trust trading 212? You think it can be used for long term say 10-15 years?
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Of course. Cause once they have huge number is sustainable for them already.
Ramjade
post Jun 21 2020, 02:11 AM

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QUOTE(anwa @ Jun 20 2020, 12:24 PM)
Thanks ramjade. Do you mostly use IBKR or trading212? What's your experience in terms of cost (brokerage, forex, transfers to fund account)?
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I only use IBKR as
1. I don't have UK bank account to withdraw money. It I have a UK bank account yeah sure I will use trading212.

So yeah can't really comment on trading212.
Ibkr have complicated interface but all you need to do is learn how to deposit money, buy and sell stocks, Convert currency and withdraw out money.
Ibkr already tiv spot rate = real time market rates = b at rates you can get.
Trading 212 is good as their commission is free Vs Ibkr but Ibkr is ch pa enough and sometimes you need to pay.
Transfer for me is very easy. I use local transfer of FAST from my Singapore bank to Ibkr sg bank account (like IBFT) so it's almost instant for me (wait max 1h for them to put money into Ibkr)

QUOTE(jerantut2011 @ Jun 20 2020, 10:52 PM)
Hi All,

For Trading212, Has anyone tried to deposit funds using a credit card issued in Malaysia? Were you charged any cash advance fees by the banks? Do you receive any credit card Reward Points?

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Get ready to be charged higher foreign exchange rates if you use credit cards.
Yes possible can earn points. Not tested.

You need to think how to withdraw out the money as trading 212 already mentioned there they will withdraw to the same way you deposit the money.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Jun 21 2020, 02:15 AM
Ramjade
post Aug 15 2020, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Aug 15 2020, 03:16 PM)
I'm lost with TransferWise thing. I'll check it out in a bit.

Withdrawing part it incurs a charge of rm0.50 back to your various banks in Malaysia. Which I think is a reasonable fee.

I use bigpay not to transfer back to malaysian bank account but rather to use it to

1. Fund my international stock purchase in trading212
2. Make payment and get points.
3. Use when I'm overseas so I don't need to bring too much physical cash.

Does anyone know who owns bigpay?

And what are the small digits stated at the bottom of the card for?
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TransferWise borderless account let you have virtual bank account in US, Europe, UK with real bank account numbers.
This allows you to transfer like a local.
You can use it to send and received money.

Bigpay limit is RM 10K while there is no such limit with TransferWise.

True. I never bring my money back but surely there will be a time where you need to bring back the money to Malaysia.

Tony Fernandez under his AirAsia group owns bigpay.
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post Aug 15 2020, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Aug 15 2020, 06:28 PM)
Thank you for the info.

Bigpay max 10k refers to amount in account at one time. Still ok.

Max 2.5k top up is only for credit card.

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Need to think don't tell me you only have rm10k invested?
Sure one have like few hundred thousands to millions.

2nd stuff to think of is for withdrawal does it count as a TT to bigpay?

If yes exchange rate would be bad as using an overseas credit card to top-up bigpay. You pay extra 2-3% on forex fees.
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post Aug 16 2020, 06:42 AM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Aug 16 2020, 12:04 AM)
You're right. It's more than 10k. You can always transfer it to trading212 before putting another 10k into bigpay. 10k is only max amount pwr time, not per month.

I have not explored that. But you're right. But I'm assuming in many years to come (given investing is long term and best never sell it), withdrawal rules may change and there will be other ways to withdraw the fund. Past 10 years has changed a lot, an investment time frame of 10-20 years, what will the withdrawal options be? Plenty.

Perhaps someone who has done from trading212 to bigpay can answer that?

I've explored transferwise app, nothing about borderless account and Malaysian currency/banks are linked to it. Hence, I'm still stuck at what you've suggested.
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Putting money not a problem. Cause you can put multiple Rm10k(s) in.
Is the withdrawal part. Problems.
1. You can't put in more than RM10k into bigpay
2. Unsure if overseas transfer to bigpay = paying more for incoming cash as bigpay only accept RM.

The TransferWise borderless account need to apply. You won't auto get it upon opening account. There are some rumours around that recently TransferWise ban newly open account TransferWise account in malasyai from having access to borderless account (they won't get the feature).

But since I am an old customer before the so call ban, my borderless account is still active and valid. Best to drop TransferWise an email.
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post Sep 3 2020, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(zeonz @ Sep 3 2020, 02:55 PM)
Anyone found the answer? interested to know on the withdrawal process if deposit funds using bigpay. Looking forward for your reply!
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Forget about withdrawing to bigpay cause not sure if it's treated as topping up bigpay via TT. If yes, it's expensive.
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post Sep 3 2020, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(zeonz @ Sep 3 2020, 03:33 PM)
Yikes!! I guess we'll have to go via the conventional route ? But tbh, I think the conventional methods, bank TT/credit card is still cheaper than our local brokers, eg: CIMB, Maybank. 20 usd per transaction. I wish I found this thread earlier...
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Yup. Only way I can think off is
1, Withdraw to TW Borderless account.
2. Withdraw to HSBC global account (but need to have priority banking which means park RM250k and let it rot)

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post Sep 3 2020, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(zeonz @ Sep 3 2020, 04:07 PM)
That's not the only way isn't it? Just fund using credit card, if withdraw it will be transferred back to the credit card. Then call the card issuing bank to transfer excess funds.
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Nope. But how are you going to get the money out of the credit card? biggrin.gif
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post Sep 7 2020, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(pigscanfly @ Sep 7 2020, 12:54 AM)
Depositing money into trading212 is easy. But withdrawing to BigPay can be costly. BigPay isn't a multi currency cash account. It can only hold MYR currency. Any withdrawals/refunds from trading212 to BigPay may incur TT fees / currency conversion fees (as mentioned by Ramjade). These conversion fees (for the refunded amount) may not necessarily follow BigPay's rates.

The second problem is, withdrawing money from BigPay is troublesome and costly. Recently, BigPay has reduced withdrawal limit via bank transfer to RM 1,000 per withdrawal (maximum RM 2,000 per month), with RM0.50 fee per withdrawal. If you want to withdraw more than RM 2k from BigPay, you have to visit ATM to withdraw in cold hard cash. There is a RM6 fee per withdrawal. There is a limited amount that you can withdraw, depending on the type of ATM bank, location of ATM, day of week, and even time of withdrawal. Very few ATMs in Klang Valley allow withdrawals of RM 4k. Most ATMs have a RM 2.5k or RM3k withdrawal limit. Good luck hunting.

If you still wish to proceed with Trading212, your best bet is with transferwise. You need to get a multicurrency cash account. But this feature isn't offered to Malaysians.

Leave your options open. Do not limit yourself to deposit and withdraw via BigPay only. Stop wishful thinking that Trading212 will offer more withdrawal options in the future. You need to prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.
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That's the reason I don't use trading212. I cannot figure out how to deposit and withdraw large amount without going through banks.
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post Sep 7 2020, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(theberry @ Sep 7 2020, 09:59 AM)
Small fund size player less than 1k USD should be ok? I guess?
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Overtime you think your value stick at USD1k?
Don't you think it will go to USD10k, 20k, 30k?

 

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