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mini orchard
post Sep 27 2021, 06:03 AM

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QUOTE(Deathscythe@@ @ Sep 26 2021, 11:20 PM)
Hi sifu, I recently completed the torch membrane waterproof 3 days ago. Today raining and a little bit of leaking from the roof slab. The contractor informed me that due to the pressure of the rains as the concrete slab is not totally dry yet. Is it true?
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No .... for water to leaking again, all it need is a small or tiny gap or crack.
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post Sep 28 2021, 06:37 AM

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QUOTE(CanonLee @ Sep 27 2021, 03:14 PM)
any recommendation for torch membrane specialist?

My carporch concrete roof top is having small cracks and the normal waterproofing paint is not really workable although many layers were painted.
i googled and many placed as ads.

size is about 20'x20'

Cheras area.
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The waterproofing paint should work for small cracks.

Possible your contractor didnt do a good cleaning job prior to painting or the leak could be from other areas not identified.

I diy 3 years ....no leak.
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post Nov 6 2021, 06:21 AM

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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Nov 5 2021, 11:57 PM)
This is regarding a new house.

The bathrooms have a shower area that has slightly lower floor area and come with shower screen. The floor of non shower area (toilet bowl and sink) is slightly higher.

I pond test the entire bathrooms (two bathrooms with same design 8-3' x 6-3'). The shower area doesn't leak below. The non-shower area leaks below (I come back after 24 hours).

Is this normal? Or is this consider a defect that need to be rectified by developer? I need to ask because as expected, my developer argue that no body flood the non shower area in normal use and I have also void the warranty.

Thanks in advance!
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The toilet and basin area is considered dry area and the reason for the drop on the floor level for the shower.
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post Nov 7 2021, 05:50 AM

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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Nov 7 2021, 12:46 AM)
When you said 'dry area' do you mean there is no waterproofing?
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post Nov 7 2021, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Nov 7 2021, 11:06 AM)
It may sounds right at first read. The shower area indeed try to prevent water from shower into the non-shower area. But the non-shower area is definitely cannot be called 'dry-area' because there is a two-way-tap beside the toilet bowl with a bidet and a straight tap where water can immediately hit the floor of this area. There is also a drain. It may not be as wet as shower area, but it still will get wet. And for small bathroom, it can get pretty wet. Just imagine cleaning your feet.
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If you wash and dry the area immediately, there shouldnt be any leak. Leaking happens when there is constant flow of water, like what you did.

A tap and discharge hole is there for your convenient just in case if you need clean the area once a while but is not meant to treat it like a shower area.

In all my dry area bathroom, I have floor mats to wipe the feet after shower. Is to prevent accidental slipping.

For eg, in terrace houses, the roof should not leak if water flow away constantly. If you really want to test the roof whether it leaks, using a high pressure washer aiming at edges and gaps can also cause the roof to leak which wont happen during a normal thunderstorm.

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post Nov 8 2021, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Nov 8 2021, 01:20 PM)
I can understand where you are coming from.  smile.gif
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It doesnt matter where I am from just because you disagreed with my opinion. Whatever my opinion doesnt benefit me financially as I am neither the owner or developer.

I am sure you have asked some people oredi before coming to this forum and you know the answer but that doesnt stop you from pursuing with the developer to have it 'rectify'.

Honestly, forumers answers are not important. Whether is wet or dry area, your dispute is with the developer.

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post Feb 18 2022, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(phenally @ Feb 18 2022, 05:58 PM)
Hi all the sifu

may i know how much it cost to fix these:
1) roof water leaking
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2) aircon pipe leaking
Aircon pipe concealed within the wall, So will need to hack the wall to fix
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Roof leaking is one most difficult part to rectify. Worst if only leaks on certain occassions ...like strong wind and heavy rain.

Engage a proper co to do and provide some guarantee if is around the same spot. Will be priced higher but that is a gamble. Of course the co also dont want to do repeat rectification.

Air cond piping seldom leaks internally. Any photos to share on this.

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post Feb 20 2022, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(Jkan2021 @ Feb 20 2022, 08:38 PM)
*My bad! I pressed the add reply to the 3 images above and left out my comments below:

Hi all, need your advice as I have this leaking issue, allegedly from my apartment to the unit downstairs that's been ongoing for the last 3 years. My apt is tenanted.

First image was taken at the downstairs unit's bedroom before any repair was done. After the downstairs owner reported a complaint, I engaged a contractor, which was recommended by the management office. Waterproofing was done to my bathroom and issue closed (mid 2019).

2nd image was taken at the same spot by the downstairs unit 1.5 years after my repair (early 2021). The management office this time suspected the leak may be from somewhere else (my planter box unit). Because of covid SOPs etc. and didn't want the issue to drag on for too long, I once again engaged the contractor to do the repair. 

Fast forward to this year, you can see in the 3rd image that the watermark is slowly coming back. Management office contacted me again. At this point, I am not sure what else they want me to do. Plus I recently changed the piping in my unit's bathroom to new ones.

How can I push this back to the management office  so that they do the proper checking on their side rather than just simply forwarding me the downstair's unit's complaints? Could it be that the leaks originate from within the downstair's unit itself (eg. their own piping etc)?

Also, do you have any recommended waterproofing companies? I am thinking of engaging one, to get their opinion.

Thank you.
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Show photos of your unit where the leak to below unit.

Definite some repair work is not done property. Otherwise it will leak again.

Did you see how the repair work was done or you left it to them to say is 'completed' ? Any photos taken during repair work ?

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post Feb 21 2022, 07:11 AM

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QUOTE(Jkan2021 @ Feb 20 2022, 10:36 PM)
See the 3 photos are right before my written post. You can refer to my written post for explanations of each photo. No I did not oversee the work myself as the contractor did the work during office hours.
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What the contractor had done doesnt meant it was done properly.

Depend on work and material, some can only last short duration and vice versa but never forever.

If you suspect is the lower unit leaking pipe embeded in your unit, then his contractor have to hack your unit to check the leak.
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post Feb 21 2022, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(FeelSoGood @ Feb 21 2022, 05:27 PM)
Hi Mini Orchard,

Would you please advise, this "Penten" is applicable to tiles to solve the bathroom leaking problem?

Thank you!
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It works for my porch concrete slab. Probably may last another few years and I have to redo again.

I dont think is suitable on gloss surface like tiles. The adhesion wont be strong. Wear and tear from daily using of bathroom and cleaning will destroy the coating faster.

You can try some cheaper method like regrouting the floor and wall tiles. The leaks normally is from there.


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post Mar 2 2022, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(Deznom @ Mar 2 2022, 06:00 PM)
Hi Guys..

Need some help..

Water is seeping in through the edges of the window frame and also below the window itself.

Another issue is that this is a condo and the other side of the window is facing into thin air.

Anybody have any ideas that can help me? or what I should ask when trying to engage a contractor

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Clean the edges and inject clear silicone. Then use a flat ice cream stick to press the silicone to cover as much gap possible. Do it on hot day.

If dont work, have to call contractor. He will have to remove the window and inject silicone on the outer frame. My landed house, I inject outside and no more leak.
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post Mar 30 2022, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(ernie ball @ Mar 30 2022, 04:48 PM)
Hi everyone, recently purchased an old new house - around 10 years old. I am thinking should I check for any water pipe leak before I do renovations. Is it a standard practise? I don’t plan to renovate all bathrooms (5 bathrooms!) hence cannot change the piping. Anyone had any experience dealing with water leak detection? Done a pressure test myself, seems ok but not able to test the pipes coming from reserve tank. In Penang, anyone had dealt with any water leak checking company here? A bit worried there’s a leak after I’ve done renovations.
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A leaking pipe can be anywhere and not limited to bathrooms and kitchen areas.

As long there are elbows and connectors along the piping line, it will leak if there is soil movement and or poor quality piping plus workmanship.

If it wants to leak, it will leak no matter what pressure test done previously. In short ...nothing last forever, even if is new.

One is lucky if can notice the leak and rectify immediately.

The worst is the underground leaking which can cost a bomb on the water bill. Do regular water meter inspection for abnormal meter reading.


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post Apr 19 2022, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(sthrowaway @ Apr 19 2022, 06:47 PM)
This is regarding a new 2-storey house

There are 'water stains' at the ceiling of the first floor room at the back of the house. What's the cause of this, roof leaking or pipe leakage? Is this common and is it a major issue

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Leaking is normal in a property. Is a matter now or later.

If is raining for the past few days, more likely a roof leak. Otherwise is pipe leakage.

One wouldnt know until a proper inspection is done. Check for pipe leakage first, then the roof.
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post May 17 2022, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(josephcvh @ May 17 2022, 06:12 PM)
Hi all,

My old houses constantly having never-ending water leaking problem. Water/yellow stain on plaster ceiling. After paint and repaired, same issue different area. Plan to DIY if possible.

I saw some houses have this black piece of paper on their roof with bricks or something heavy on the black thing.

Anyone know what is the black piece of paper call? and price?

Appreciated ur reply.
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'Old' as in how many years ?

Piecemeal work will cost you more. Allocate a budget and redo the entire roofing and engage a reputable co for the job that also provide warranty.

Replace, repair and upkeep are part and parcel of property ownership.

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post May 18 2022, 07:31 AM

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QUOTE(josephcvh @ May 17 2022, 09:25 PM)
Old as in 30-40 years.

The house entire roof already changed due to termite 3 years ago. After the whole roof changed, no issue. Just recently a year ago started leaking. I have called roof repair to fix, solved and the issue come again at other area.

So maybe adding those black piece of paper to the affected area able to solve the issue.
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My advise is to engage a proper roof company to check. Sometimes it could be a broken tile or cement plaster holding the tiles.

It could also be the roof gradient that hinder the flow during a heavy downpour or a clogged gutter.

Leaking is a complicated issue to solve. If you are lucky, it can done once. Otherwise is will be a nightmare.
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QUOTE(josephcvh @ May 18 2022, 09:53 AM)
I will consider your advice.

Have you engage any roof repair company before? If yes, how is your experience with them?

Any one in this topic mind to share contacts of roof repair man or roof repair company where price is reasonable?
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The last I did my roof leak was few years ago. That time one of the house in my taman started his reno. I engage one of the worker since it wasnt serious after inspection. Did few tiles replacement, patch up some joints and clean the gutter. It was good since then, otherwise I would have to engage a proper roof repair co.

Hope other forumers can contribute.
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QUOTE(Jkan2021 @ Jun 1 2022, 11:52 AM)
Hi all, advise needed. Looking for a simple and quick method to waterproof the small yard area in my old apt. It's mostly a dry area, except for that small part where the washing machine is at. Downstairs owner is complaining of water dripping from ceiling/my unit just around that area where my washing machine is. I am not aiming for a full hacking & waterproof method yet. Planning to try coating with waterproof paint method first. Anyone here can recommend a brand or any products that you have used? TQ.
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The waste water from the WM will go to waste pipe through a hose, so leaking from the floor is unlikely.

Possible the internal pipe leaking ?

If you can stop using the WM for sometime, then you can check the source of the leaking.
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post Jun 2 2022, 06:39 AM

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QUOTE(M.I.N.S @ Jun 1 2022, 11:19 PM)
Hi all, seeking advice. got water leaking from my unit above. the unit above claimed they tried to patch all they could from above. they want to avoid hacking down and redo the waterproofing and suggest me to paint a waterproofing paint(t200 penten) on my ceiling instead. will this waterproof paint works? do i have to paint the whole ceiling with that waterproof paint?
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The leaking will move to other places and leak there.
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post Jun 17 2022, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(wow hi all @ Jun 16 2022, 07:52 PM)
Hi, I would like to apply the waterproofing coating on top of the concrete roof car pouch. I'm wondering between Bostik AC2 and Pentens T-200H,which one can last longer and easier to DIY? Trying to get rid of the nightmare of seeing water leak from the slab.  sad.gif
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I done for my slab 3 years ago using Penten. No leaking till now but not sure how long it will last as it depends on preparation work and skill plus weather.

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post Jan 3 2023, 06:45 AM

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QUOTE(christph @ Jan 3 2023, 03:50 AM)
Hi all, I intend to buy a subsales property below market value, but I realized there are water leaking issues in several spots in the car porch area and level 3 of the unit.
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I get quote from the contractor that usually helps to repair water leaking issues in that housing area around RM9500. Is this a reasonable price?
Hope you all can help. Thank you so much
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Not all leaking are permanently fix job and unless owner is willing to redo due to wear and tear or poor workmanship, is better to reconsider the purchase.

Sometime is due to building design fault or initial poor construction work and the likely option is to demolish and rebuild.

Spending money to repair is not the bigger problem but getting the right people to do the job is always a headache.

QUOTE(wanmei105 @ Jan 3 2023, 04:23 AM)
Hi i’m facing inter-floor leakage issue, the owner upstairs has came to fix but the issue hasnt been resolved. Can u suggest the root cause and the best solution for this issue? Oh ya, and also the estimated cost please? Tq

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What did the owner fix ?

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