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Ramjade
post Apr 15 2024, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(BboyDora @ Apr 15 2024, 09:08 AM)
passive investment vs active investment . can it be compare?

unit trust = you pay someone (agent fees) to do " active investment" .
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Of course. See if you willing to click extra and see good funds available.

Er buy from FSM, it's free. You only pay annual fees. Rather than pay EPF to manage your money and get like 5%, by you doing a little work can earn minimum 10%p.a
Ramjade
post Apr 15 2024, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ Apr 15 2024, 12:33 PM)
Using I-invest, any reason you do not use Public Global for your global exposure?
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I ma not going to pay service charge if I can help it. Unless no choice.
Ramjade
post Apr 15 2024, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ Apr 15 2024, 01:51 PM)
I suppose at least KAF is doing pretty good at the moment.
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It have been good for the past 10 years beating EPF by minimal double digit.

QUOTE(markedestiny @ Apr 15 2024, 02:07 PM)
One can buy unit trust funds from i-invest within EPF by understanding market trends and macro-economy and have gains beating that of EPF's div.  Just need to know what sectors to buy, then buy low, have patience and sell high.. don't hold funds too long as every industry sectors are cyclic. I usually hold not more than 3 years, rinse and repeat.
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Er, I hold long term. Only exception to this is principal Asia Pacific thanks to emperor xi.
Ramjade
post Apr 15 2024, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Apr 15 2024, 02:54 PM)
I bought Principal Global Titans before, sold for 25%+ gain.
Unit trusts are just a collection of stocks; subjected to ups and downs of the market...if hold too long, you gave back the gains to the market (like the china based unit trusts you are talking about, it was trending high back then)unless you plan to slowly collect dividends
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I kena before. Sold too early. Different stories for different people. Some want take profit. I am ok with letting it run.
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post Apr 15 2024, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Apr 15 2024, 10:30 PM)
Just to seek clarification as you mentioned that FSM is free

Yet the website is stating that equity, balanced, alternative investment and mixed assets funds is charging 1.50% of sales charge
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My mistake. Sorry. I thought was free.
https://www.fsmone.com.my/support/frequentl...tUniqueKey=2362

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post Apr 15 2024, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Apr 15 2024, 10:38 PM)
No issue, just to clarify

Yet 1.5% is acceptable as some charge even higher

I suppose opening and maintaining an account @ fsmone is FOC
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It's always free.
Ramjade
post Apr 17 2024, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ Apr 16 2024, 08:18 AM)
I think what Ramjade meant was if you go through i-invest, the EPF approved funds available on FSM will be free.

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I don't know if I am charged 0% or 1.5%. If charge 1.5% so be it. It's worth paying them 1.5% to get average minimum of 10%p.a and only one time charge.

QUOTE(togekiss @ Apr 16 2024, 09:26 AM)
i have 4 funds through i-invest EPF. all 4 are in the negative. once it goes positive, i would park it back into EPF and will not take it out for unit trust purposes anymore.
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Pick one. No need so many fund. Pick the best.
Ramjade
post Apr 17 2024, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Apr 15 2024, 10:38 PM)
No issue, just to clarify

Yet 1.5% is acceptable as some charge even higher

I suppose opening and maintaining an account @ fsmone is FOC
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QUOTE(Holocene @ Apr 16 2024, 08:18 AM)
I think what Ramjade meant was if you go through i-invest, the EPF approved funds available on FSM will be free.

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 16 2024, 08:37 AM)
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I just checked my transactions on FSM bought via i-invest 0% service charge biggrin.gif

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post Apr 18 2024, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(togekiss @ Apr 18 2024, 09:25 AM)
thanks for the advice.
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For me if somehow principal global titans is open back up, I will put my money with them.

Since EPF suspended them, my only choice left is KAF core income. Others all sucks.

Not sure about public mutual.
Ramjade
post Apr 18 2024, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 18 2024, 10:55 AM)
is a fsm problem.... on one faq page it says 1.5%... on another, the page i posted, says 1.5% for one year only which has now pass...
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Only way is test it out yourself and it will generate a report from FSM side. Report shows zero service charge. I didn't go and count.
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post Apr 18 2024, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(mapeyeo1 @ Apr 18 2024, 02:59 PM)
Decided to put some money in KAF Core Income Fund, wish me luck haha
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Don't worry. Wish me luck too. I got like 20% of my EPF inside there. Lol.
Ramjade
post Jun 15 2024, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(mapeyeo1 @ Jun 15 2024, 10:31 PM)
Good fund recommendation, now up11% since purchase on April24, huat.
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Don't worry. Will put more. Won't bother with EPF. Lol.
Ramjade
post Jun 17 2024, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 16 2024, 02:43 AM)
Hehe. I like that.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 17 2024, 08:34 AM)
It's TRUE!
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Choose wisely.
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post Jun 17 2024, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 17 2024, 09:53 AM)
Unit trust charge management fees yearly, could be substantial over many years.
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Worth it if can give 10%p.a.nett fees

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post Jun 17 2024, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 17 2024, 11:26 AM)
Not many unit trust could deliver this consistently.
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Surprising quite a lot.

QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jun 17 2024, 01:57 PM)
if can consistently nett 10% pa,  we dont need to work already.

Just use banks' money to make money.

start small  RM1 million  nett a year RM100k.

upscale to RM100million, get RM10M a year
just how much extra work  is that?

If bank loan expensive come get it from here 6% no frills.
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You can. It's up your risk factor lo. Loan need to pay off. If own money no bank going to come after you.

QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jun 17 2024, 03:24 PM)
bro can give list of recommendations fund for EPF? besides KAF core
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Actually a lot. Can check out FSM page. Fund selector. EPF approved fund. I will be waiting for them to enable back global titans (returns are lower than KAF core surprisingly). For me, I just buy one and stick with it. If the wheel ain't broken, don't change it.

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post Jun 17 2024, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jun 17 2024, 09:39 PM)
These KAF CORE & GLOBAL titan?

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Kaf core have managed min 10%p.a for I think 10 years already.

Principal global titans was one of the few fund with overseas exposure but disabled by EPF. Reason of disable Iusnure but I can only speculatr that they want people to invest locally. Just speculation cause that time ringgit dropping. I don't believe in coincidence in govt related policies.

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post Jun 17 2024, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 17 2024, 10:05 PM)
The KAF core fund looks impressive!
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I was shocked. For a Malaysian fund. It have been outperforming the EPF for years!!!

I maybe a DIY guy but if something is good, I will just pay them to do it for me.

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post Jun 17 2024, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 17 2024, 10:21 PM)
Haha. Like you said, if it ain’t broke, why fix it!?
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If a fund is good, stick with it. No need to chase the latest fund. That my principal. Like the Scottish mortgage fund. It's a good fund listed on LSE

QUOTE(MGM @ Jun 17 2024, 10:23 PM)
But the KAF Core is more impressive esp the last 5 years, 24%p.a.

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Got lots of fund giving like 30% return for past 1-2 years. Must look at long term how it fare. So far the most consistent fund is the KAF core
Ramjade
post Jun 19 2024, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Jun 19 2024, 10:04 AM)
so in terms of unit trust, there's not so much of buying 'low' and selling 'high' i suppose? for example kaf core will keep going up and up
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Got. Many of my returns from unit trust are from buying near low. No one can buy at the exact low.

Why? Keep in mind. Unit trust hold a basket of stocks. If price goes down, NAV also goes down. Also majority of unit trust hold like 5-say 20% of cash (maybe wrong here) so that low % of cash won't offset the NAV drop when market drop.

Long term likely doesn't matter if the fund is good. If the fund is lousy, it's a whole different story. Lol.

But if you are like me who likes to get extra returns, you need to have cash standby.

From bloggers who I follow, all make their money and wealth by having cash and buying when things are cheap. Only some bloggers will continue buying even though all time high.
Ramjade
post Jun 19 2024, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(mapeyeo1 @ Jun 19 2024, 11:39 AM)
Mind sharing which bloggers you following? want to read up on what they blog as well, tyty
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https://singaporeanstocksinvestor.blogspot.com/?m=1
Me tako escape (his blog disappeared already)
Joseph Carlson
Joseph Carlson after hours
Dividend guy
Brian feroldi
Mr fired up wealth
Chip stock investor
Dividendology

QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Jun 19 2024, 11:43 AM)
once in a about 10 years. is it time soon?
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Who knows.


QUOTE(SeniorCitizen @ Jun 19 2024, 04:32 PM)
This is no good. For 8 years 43.88% is just around 5%pa.

I am also reading here looking for UT with more than 8%pa return.
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Agreed.

QUOTE(kennykong85 @ Jun 19 2024, 05:06 PM)
to me consider ok la since that day1 i bought consider quite a high price
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If you are using EPF money you better be damn sure it beats EPF money or match it. If it cannot beat it match EPF, don't bother. That's why I set my target at 10%p.a

QUOTE(MGM @ Jun 19 2024, 05:48 PM)
Where n what product u use to  park your money while waiting?
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EPF, interactive broker. I am using my RM100k to buy sg banks over putting money into EPF.

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