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post Sep 28 2022, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 28 2022, 06:26 PM)
lol...

they just kuli follow sop... won't entertain you lah... hahaha

banks have been known to cancel ppl accounts without notice...

If I management... make you come hq to claim refund... hahaha
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Maybe you are right. Just proposing a more "novel" idea.

In the end, the final decision is made by humans, SOP also wriiten by humans, so psychology is always something to play with.

Very bad management ah you... laugh.gif
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post Oct 8 2022, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(stuckincarbonite @ Oct 8 2022, 05:20 PM)
Any idea what happens if I put in 20k, transfer it to dollars and the dollar appreciates Vs MYR?
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This is a very good question!

I am curious to know also. But I guess you will just have to keep selling your dollar until it goes back t0 20k MYR.
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post Jan 16 2023, 12:22 PM

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Tried transferring from MYR to HKD today. The spread from Yahoo finance-sourced interbank rate has risen to 60 bp from 50 bp previously.
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post Jan 18 2023, 12:36 PM

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Wise

Wise shares fall as transfer volumes drop in last quarter of 2022
Rising interest rates lead fintech to issue upgraded guidance for the year

Siddharth Venkataramakrishnan in London (YESTERDAY)

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The average amount that Wise’s personal customers transferred in the final three months of 2022 fell to £3,500, the lowest level in two years © Chris Ratcliffe/Bloomberg


The amount of money Wise sends across borders fell in the fourth quarter, sending shares in the London-based fintech down sharply on Tuesday morning.

Wise said that the value of cross-border transfers fell to £26.4bn in the final three months of 2022, its first decline in more than a year and 2 per cent down on the last quarter.

The fintech’s shares dropped more than 6 per cent in mid-morning trading.

Wise said the average amount that personal customers transferred fell to £3,500, the lowest level in two years and blamed the drop on higher than usual volume earlier in the year.

The company said that customers had brought forward money transfers in the first half of the year due to fears of currency volatility and rising inflation.

“Volatility in the currency markets has definitely been a tail wind in the last couple of quarters,” said Matthew Briers, Wise’s chief financial officer, adding that the negative impact on volume “could last a quarter [or] it could last longer than this”.

Despite the falling remittance volumes, rising interest rates and higher prices boosted total revenue for the quarter, leading Wise to upgrade its guidance for the year.

A rise in how much Wise charges to send money, which the company said stemmed from higher foreign exchange costs, contributed to the 80 per cent increase in total revenue to £268.7mn.

The average price for customers to send money was 0.66 per cent in the quarter, a 6 basis point increase year on year. It is the second quarter in which prices have risen since 2020.

“Obviously our goal is to try and reduce prices, but we will only do this when it is sustainable in the long run,” said Briers.

Net interest income on customer balances rose to £43.5mn in the quarter boosted by higher interest rates, compared with a loss of just under £1mn a year earlier.

Wise expects that total revenue — made up of transfer revenues and net interest income — will grow between 68 per cent and 72 per cent this year, compared with the 55 and 60 per cent it predicted previously. It also expects an increase in its adjusted ebitda margin of 22 per cent in the first half of the year.

Its medium-term goals remain unchanged, however, including revenue growth of 20 per cent.

Analysts at Numis remained upbeat on the outlook for Wise, stating that they “see no reason why revenue growth should not remain above 20 per cent also in the coming years as the group continues to take market share from the banks”. The volume of transfers per customer were closer to long-term trends, they added.

The fintech is seeking to move on from several scandals over the past year. In June, the UK’s Financial Conduct Authority launched an investigation into chief executive Kristo Käärmann over deliberately defaulting on tax payments.

In August, its subsidiary was fined by the United Arab Emirates’ financial regulator over failures in its anti-money laundering controls.

Wise’s share price has fallen more than 10 per cent over the past year, part of a sell-off among fintechs hit by falling consumer sentiment and investor wariness in a rising rate environment. Shares in online remittance service Remitly fell 18 per cent over the same period, while the value of PayPal dropped more than 50 per cent.
Source: https://www.ft.com/content/80694896-d5a1-4e...c6-167895bfa25b
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post Mar 2 2023, 10:37 AM

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Revolut's users beware.

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post Apr 15 2023, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(magika @ Apr 15 2023, 08:44 AM)
A question. If we inject RM into our account , there will be a 0.41% fees. Converting into foreign currencies another 0.41% bring to a total of 0.82%, which will be the costs for foreign retail spending. Foreign atm withdrawal will incur another RM5 + 1.75% cost. So is it still worth it for foreign retail and atm withdrawal?
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Injecting RM into your Wise account via bank transfer should be free. FX spread has widen to some 0.7% (no more 0.4%...). Foreign ATM withdrawal will always be expensive as the idea is to keep the funds within Wise and force you to spend it via Visa/Mastercard for them to earn the interchange/card fee. tongue.gif
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post Apr 15 2023, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Apr 15 2023, 09:04 AM)
I pay with card wherever possible (example, all my big ticket item in Japan trip paid with card, like Hotels, Shinkansen(bought online prior), bus fares etc). So you don't really need so much cash. Unless you go to a country which is totally cash dependant.
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I must have earned lots of interchange fees from you. laugh.gif
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post Apr 15 2023, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Apr 15 2023, 09:31 AM)
Eh...what? Tak faham...🤔
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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Apr 15 2023, 09:44 AM)
means he work in Visa/Mastercard
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lol shareholder of Visa/Mastercard lah.
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post Apr 19 2023, 07:29 PM

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Indeed fees are around 0.7% as confirmed by Wise themselves:

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0.7% out of 2% spread typical bank charge is about 35%. 35% is "a fraction". Let's see if Wise will still use the term "a fraction" when their charges rise up further.

Embrace. Extend. Extinguish. Now it's "extinguish" phase. laugh.gif

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post Apr 24 2023, 05:58 PM

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A new FX transfer service provider is about to launch: ezremit by iFAST

https://www.ezremit.com/

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post Apr 24 2023, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(ericlaiys @ Apr 24 2023, 07:25 PM)
relate to wise?
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Potential competitor.

QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Apr 24 2023, 07:26 PM)
better than wise?
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No idea. Haven't tried yet.

In the end, a user will only be interested in 3 things, in order of importance:

1. all-in cost (expressed as percentage spread above interbank rate),

2. speed of execution (instant like Wise, or delayed up to 1 day like Sunway Money) and

3. customer service quality.

But then iFAST being iFAST, I guess you shouldn't have high hopes on the all-in-cost.

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post May 26 2023, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Gray @ May 26 2023, 07:56 PM)
RHB MCA rate is always more competitive than Wise. Wise has additional fees, so total cost of conversion from Ringgit to foreign currencies, RHB wins hands down. See pictures of my real transaction yesterday on RHB MCA, as compared to Wise

Pros of RHB MCA
1. Possibly the best rate in the market, it's even better than Wise for sure.
2. All balances receive very competitive interest, calculated daily, credited monthly. (no lock-up period, but rate is lower than FD).
3. Insured by PIDM up to RM250k.

Cons of RHB MCA
1. Only useful for keeping foreign currencies in your own RHB account
2. Outward TT will incur fees, inward TT is free though. So conversion from different currencies between different bank accounts across countries, Wise would be better.
3. Limited to 24 currencies, Wise have more currencies.
4. Each conversion must involve Ringgit. IE say to convert between USD and EUR, U need to convert USD to MYR first, then MYR to EUR, so you lose on the double spread. Wise is better for direct conversion between any pair of currencies not involving ringgit.

That special rate is valid for all RHB MCA accountholders with debit card. MCA debit card is a must condition. It has been there since always, so don't think it's promotional.

Call rate as of today: AUD (3.25%), CAD (4%), GBP (4.1%), NZD (4.5%), SGD (3.4%), USD (4.95%).

Comparison of rates between RHB and Wise as at 25 May 2023 morning, of conversion from Ringgit into the respective currencies. Rate from Wise website is taken at the same time I did conversion from Ringgit.

USD125: RHB (RM576.13), Wise (RM580)
AUD125: RHB (RM377.66), Wise (RM380.21)
GBP125: RHB (RM712.16), Wise (RM716.59)
CAD125: RHB (RM424.40), Wise (RM427.94)
NZD125: RHB (RM352.58), Wise (RM355.36)
SGD125: RHB (RM427.59), Wise (RM431.47)
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So, RHB MCA is only good if you wish to bring back USD/SGD etc. but not willing/planning to immediately convert to MYR. (E.g., nearing retirement age/early years of retirement).

The outward TT fee is a big problem for investors who wish to use RHB MCA to park their monies temporarily while waiting for market to collapse/go south...

lol PIDM 250k. Malaysia can't print USD, SGD, EUR, CHF... that's always something to bear in mind ya.

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post May 27 2023, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ May 27 2023, 10:26 AM)
if $50k usd was "lost" today... pidm gives you rm 229,850 based on 4.6 rate... you can buy back usd, if lucky on rates, you can get more than $50k lor... laugh.gif
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It does not make sense for PIDM to compensate your lost SGD, USD, CHF with MYR.

In a crisis, chances are MYR will depreciate sharply against those currencies, pay you 229,850 MYR now, the next moment, 229,850 may buy much less than 50k USD.

Moreover, in a crisis like a bank run, there will be a huge USD shortage in the market. Buying USD isn't as easy as you may think. smile.gif

In the end, PIDM can always guarantee MYR, because BNM prints MYR. You can never guarantee a currency you don't print. The best PIDM can do is, as you say, pay you "at prevalent rates" the equivalent of your currency foreign currencies in MYR. But it begs to ask who will want MYR at that point? (Banks failing... Economy go south... 1998 Asian Financial Crisis repeats...)

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For some people, it defeats the purpose of placing USD/SGD etc. FD in the first place, should they know they get paid in MYR in the end.

But ok lah, that's just me. If you are happy with PIDM paying your foreign currency FD in MYR in the event of a bank run/crisis, that's perfectly fine. smile.gif


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post May 28 2023, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(Mr Gray @ May 27 2023, 11:40 PM)
The chance of a bank run on RHB being backed by its biggest shareholder (EPF) with around RM1 trillion asset? Meh, I feel a lot safer with RHB than Wise.

Despite being a famous company, Wise total equity is just a puny 400 million pound = RM2.27 billion, and total asset of GBP7.5 billion. And it's still just a remittance company, it's not regulated like a normal bank.

Banks have to adhere to much stricter capital adequacy requirements, Basel etc, you won't be seeing a ratio of only 5.3% equity/asset like what Wise balance sheet shows now
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I am just commenting on PIDM payment in MYR for foreign currency FD, not saying Wise is better or worse than RHB.

Surely judging by equity or size, indeed RHB is superior than Wise. No dispute on that.

Just be prepared for tail risk... it's tail risk that matters. Too often it's not volatility, it's extreme events that catch most people by surprise and most people are unprepared for.

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QUOTE(Toku @ May 30 2023, 07:55 PM)
RHB MCA is only good for one-way to convert MYR to foreign currency and save for the call or FD interest. Not a good two-ways routes for conversion. If you check the mid point of the conversion rate, you can observe it is toward high side of MYR-FCY. Hence the good rate of converting MYR to FCY.
Same thing happen to CIMB SG which has shifted mid point for SGD-MYR. I think either CIMB SG has big clients accumulating SGD behind the scene or they are divesting MYR in view of poorer total return on MYR.
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Wow thanks for your meticulous observation. biggrin.gif

Still sticking to Sunway Money for now...
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From FT live news blog:

Wise triples pre-tax profits as interest rates climb higher

by Akila Quinio and Siddharth Venkataramakrishnan in London

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Official documents like press release, presentation slides, transcript, announcement etc. have not yet been released on the Wise's IR site though, you may check back later: https://wise.com/owners/results-reports-presentations

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post Jun 30 2023, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(Steve78 @ Jun 29 2023, 08:15 PM)
The more I read at this post, the more I realize that people here just blindly believe in "Wise works towards maximizing the user benefit and minimizing cost".

Wise isn't the best for exchange rates and, like credit cards, it has hidden fees. Do your own research on the official website and don't just trust everything people say here.
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Wise is a publicly-listed company, surely shareholders profit come first lah laugh.gif

Just like DBS's "live more, bank less" slogan. Banks really want you to live less and bank more instead laugh.gif

Those using Wise for several years already experienced fee rises from 30-40ish basis points against mid-market rate to 70ish basis point against mid-market, about twice the rate of Sunway Money (assuming a one-leg transfer only, no conversion in IBKR or other FX brokers thereafter).
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No Revolut thread, so post at its competitor's thread...

FT Fintech

Revolut’s US payment flaws allowed thieves to steal $20mn
More problems for fintech as it continues to wait for UK banking licence

by Siddharth Venkataramakrishnan and Akila Quinio in London (3 HOURS AGO)

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post Jul 10 2023, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Jul 10 2023, 08:15 AM)
available in malaysia?
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No, but Revolut has operations in Singapore. https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/...818201/page-134


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QUOTE(Gabriel03 @ Jul 15 2023, 07:26 PM)
you can compare it aginst Bigpay & Instarem.
At the moment, MYR/SGD, Bigpay is cheapest, followed by Instarem and the most expensive is Wise
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What about Sunway Money? Is it better than Bigpay or worse? I know it's better than Instarem from my past experience.

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