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News Goodbye China's $3.8 Trillion New Silk Road

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SUSAngelic Layer
post Apr 21 2020, 11:34 AM

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I know about this, it is never meant to be completed but a white elephant project to spend money and songlap.
I regret I am still innocent in my 20's, why I have to be so honest when almost everyone is a thief and money can be taken with reasons you can name.
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post Apr 21 2020, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(LA757 @ Apr 21 2020, 11:48 AM)
Hello! Silk Road sudah siap la sampai Pakistan boder...we already finished the project there lama sudah..almost 7 years ago. Silk road across central China tu Uzbek/Kyrg border also siap. Modern highways & rail infrastructure.

More modern than USA infrastructure.

Author paling pandai...
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If what you say is true, quite stupid to finish also, you can just do a section and send it in saying it is done can claim in full also.
No one is actually coming to see, and their representative can be bribed also.
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post Apr 21 2020, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Apr 21 2020, 12:54 PM)
TS will be disappointed. In fact the belt and road is not really white elephant but meant to defeat US embargo and naval blockade. Belt and road project halted in Europe and south east asia but not west asia and middle east. In fact, the path route linking Russia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, China, Pakistan, Iran is on.

You will find the useful of highway linking China, Pakistan to Iran allowing China and Russia to supply essential necessities, weapons, parts to Iran.  US naval blockade on sactioned Iran is useless and Iran will be able to defend itself against US invasion. At the same time, logistics firms along the route and other businesses that derived from it prosper.
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No, the most important part, and one of the central objective of the project, the oil pipeline failed to materialize even after more than a decade now.
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post Apr 21 2020, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Apr 21 2020, 08:43 PM)
It is already in construction but to avoid violation of embargo, PRC purposely put it on hold until war happens in Iran, they'll start pumping oils channelling to China in return of food, weapons, equipments trade.
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Which means it is an white elephant, one which will never happen.
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post Apr 21 2020, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Apr 21 2020, 09:53 PM)
Not white elephant anymore. The pipeline already there but pending activation at right time. China is planning to replace US as oil supplier in Asia to countries without much oil such as Japan, South Korea, Thailand that currently get from US. Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan will share dividends when mining in Spratlys started.  When China influence grow stronger, China no longer obey US sanction and can overwrite dealing with which ever countries blacklisted by US.
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That is the convenient script I understand, but it won't be complete after 20 years, nor it will for the next 20 years, probably 50 years or even forever.
It is nice to keep it going forever for a project which can never be completed so you can continue to siphon money for whatever amount that is asked, I know that because I am involved in a side project in the mid 2000's.
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post Apr 21 2020, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Apr 21 2020, 10:01 PM)
Belt and road connecting to China allies already completed and running. Only links to Europe on hold. Russian also already linked up along with its ex-Soviet allies. Belt & road is not for corruption but to supply & trade with China allies bypassing US embargo.
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Don't lie lah, just because you think people cannot see it.
What happened to Peshawar-Karachi motorway?
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post Apr 21 2020, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Apr 21 2020, 10:12 PM)
The backdoor way already constructed allowing China to channel goods and supplies express to Iran. You're looking at the front to fool US. Like this, US cannot condemn China coz no proof. Ofcourse civilian like you mustn't know much. Later you will join the condemn and attack PRC for dealing with countries on embargo
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You are using the strawman tactic as trained, while the question of pipeline still haven't been finish after decades.
Pakistan (neighbour to Iran) also cannot connect already stated for the Peshawar-Karachi, how you say China Iran already connected even.
Blaming others do not make you right.
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post Apr 22 2020, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(not timid and slow @ Apr 22 2020, 03:43 PM)
i dont get it. how can building infrastructure and transport networks possibly be a white elephant project ?

dont you think that cargo capacity is a much needed capability no matter where you are in the world
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People care more about cash flow rather than results, especially true when employees and executive are never posted for long and position quickly shifted.

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post Apr 22 2020, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(not timid and slow @ Apr 22 2020, 04:06 PM)
thats just short term thinking. cash is a symbolic construct and will fluctuate due to many factors

infra that you can actually use and touch, that will bring more value in the long run. why do you think physical gold increases in value during times of distress ?
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I am talking about what it is and what happened in reality, not idealized version of what should happen.
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post Apr 22 2020, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ Apr 22 2020, 04:11 PM)
i thought the suppose silk road between east and west already running since 2016 or 17 ? from chong qing as the starting point,  thru xin jiang, moscow, bla bla bla and end at germany ? even this time covid china also use this road to send the medical supply to the west.


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It couldn't even cross Jammu and Kashmir, let alone Pakistan, and now you are dreaming it is done and connected to Iran.
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post Apr 22 2020, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ Apr 22 2020, 04:39 PM)
why would you want to go to those places when you can go to germany and other europe countries?you need to go to where the money is. so if pakistan has the monehhhh, then they will find a way to trade. but i guess probably just use ship route.

o btw, to those who enjoy train ride, this rail is 11000 km long.
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The oil pipeline is the primary objective from the beginning, hence the new silk road.
That's why it is already a failure as you mentioned it.
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post Apr 22 2020, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ Apr 22 2020, 04:51 PM)


well, if you think economy just all about oil. then yea. but since when pakistan is known of its oil ?
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QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Apr 22 2020, 04:44 PM)
The oil pipeline is the primary objective from the beginning, hence the new silk road.
That's why it is already a failure as you mentioned it.
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Read post #61 and #80 replies of Jayraptor and those are my response to him before your jump in.

 

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