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post Apr 21 2020, 11:18 AM, updated 6y ago

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COVID-19 Could Kill China’s $3.8 Trillion New Silk Road

The BRI is a far-reaching plan for transnational infrastructure development, linking five continents through land and sea corridors and industrial clusters.

Launched in 2013, it was initially planned to revive ancient Silk Road trade routes between Eurasia and China, but the scope of the BRI has since extended to cover 138 countries, including 38 in sub-Saharan Africa and 18 in Latin America and the Caribbean.

Prior to the pandemic, the Asian Development Bank estimated that the infrastructure financing needs of emerging Asia alone would amount to $26trn through 2030. It is thus unsurprising that many low- and middle-income countries came to see the BRI as a vehicle for catalysing much-needed investment in capital projects.

By early January 2020, 2951 BRI-linked projects valued at $3.87trn were planned or underway across the world.

Although the criteria for what actually constitutes a BRI project are not formally defined, linking a project to the BRI through a memorandum of understanding (MoU) or another agreement provides access to finance from Chinese policy banks and specialist funds, as well as connections to Chinese contractors and suppliers eager to make use of their excess capacity. 

However, as borders began to close in response to the pandemic, and governments shuttered non-essential industries and asked citizens to stay at home, progress stalled on a number of major BRI developments. Restrictions on the flow of Chinese workers and construction supplies have been cited as factors for project suspensions or slowdowns in Pakistan, Cambodia, Indonesia, Myanmar and Malaysia. 

“Some BRI projects are in poorer nations, which may require medical and health care assistance to be a priority ahead of continuing infrastructure projects, and this will vary from country to country,” Chris Devonshire-Ellis, founding partner of Dezan Shira & Associates, told OBG.

Taking into account that Covid-19 originated in Wuhan, China, late last year, the use of large numbers of Chinese construction workers on BRI projects has become a contentious issue in some nations, even though China has been relatively successful at containing the spread of the coronavirus within its borders.
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wow. ts with his anti china threads again.. wonder if he is CIA?
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post Apr 21 2020, 11:34 AM

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I know about this, it is never meant to be completed but a white elephant project to spend money and songlap.
I regret I am still innocent in my 20's, why I have to be so honest when almost everyone is a thief and money can be taken with reasons you can name.
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Hello! Silk Road sudah siap la sampai Pakistan boder...we already finished the project there lama sudah..almost 7 years ago. Silk road across central China tu Uzbek/Kyrg border also siap. Modern highways & rail infrastructure.

More modern than USA infrastructure.

Author paling pandai...


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post Apr 21 2020, 11:49 AM

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post Apr 21 2020, 11:50 AM

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wow. ts with his anti china threads again.. wonder if he is CIA?
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wow. ts with his anti china threads again.. wonder if he is CIA?
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what if he is trump? jeng jeng jeng
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QUOTE(LA757 @ Apr 21 2020, 11:48 AM)
Hello! Silk Road sudah siap la sampai Pakistan boder...we already finished the project there lama sudah..almost 7 years ago. Silk road across central China tu Uzbek/Kyrg border also siap. Modern highways & rail infrastructure.

More modern than USA infrastructure.

Author paling pandai...
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we? are.u winnie ccp men?!
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china die then die lo, us oil collapse then collapse lor...msia oso cannot solve its own problem lagi mau hiulan those bodo outside
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wow. ts with his anti china threads again.. wonder if he is CIA?
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CCP plotek so hardworking everyday
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Have you check msia position esp current gov... previous gov.. n recent previous gov n future gov with regards to their stand point?

If leaders are in line.. they are ccp plotek ? U are now mendukung principle vs governments working n policy.. jeoperdise gov?

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wow. ts with his anti china threads again.. wonder if he is CIA?
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QUOTE(LA757 @ Apr 21 2020, 11:48 AM)
Hello! Silk Road sudah siap la sampai Pakistan boder...we already finished the project there lama sudah..almost 7 years ago. Silk road across central China tu Uzbek/Kyrg border also siap. Modern highways & rail infrastructure.

More modern than USA infrastructure.

Author paling pandai...
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Nice road for the tanks to roll out
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 21 2020, 11:53 AM)
Have you check msia position esp current gov... previous gov.. n recent previous gov n future gov with regards to their stand point?

If leaders are in line.. they are ccp plotek ? U are now mendukung principle vs governments working n policy.. jeoperdise gov?
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We are not CCP here. Gomen can be criticised and voted out.
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Apr 21 2020, 11:56 AM)
We are not CCP here. Gomen can be criticised and voted out.
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But they can come back via backdoor!
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Apr 21 2020, 11:57 AM)
But they can come back via backdoor!
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Then backdoor is legit strategy liao.
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Apr 21 2020, 11:56 AM)
We are not CCP here. Gomen can be criticised and voted out.
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Yea but all mendukung policy to cooperate n mass investment with china.. you guys here wreaking havoc.. even the current gov..

Medical teams still cooperating.. if there are really china agents here like
ohman .. that is a bad remark n against gov policy..
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This is ironic since it's in anti-CCP thread.

I guess both sides need to get paid
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QUOTE(LA757 @ Apr 21 2020, 11:48 AM)
Hello! Silk Road sudah siap la sampai Pakistan boder...we already finished the project there lama sudah..almost 7 years ago. Silk road across central China tu Uzbek/Kyrg border also siap. Modern highways & rail infrastructure.

More modern than USA infrastructure.

Author paling pandai...
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If what you say is true, quite stupid to finish also, you can just do a section and send it in saying it is done can claim in full also.
No one is actually coming to see, and their representative can be bribed also.
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Similar to every other project in this world -----all projects are stalled not only silk road

If US projects are still in progress ---then good luck to US


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 21 2020, 12:03 PM)
Yea but all mendukung policy to cooperate n mass investment with china.. you guys here wreaking havoc.. even the current gov..

Medical teams still cooperating.. if there are really china agents here like
ohman .. that is a bad remark n against gov policy..
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Wow, just because we’re seeking investment we have to adopt CCP policies?

What’s next? Sing China’s national anthem?
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what have americunt did the last century?
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QUOTE(loki @ Apr 21 2020, 11:30 AM)
wow. ts with his anti china threads again.. wonder if he is CIA?
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Apr 21 2020, 12:09 PM)
Wow, just because we’re seeking investment we have to adopt CCP policies?

What’s next? Sing China’s national anthem?
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Most of are using china.. u label as ccp.. gov do not label them as ccp.. dont force change d terms...fall in line with gov spirit.. brief the rest i guess?

If there are agents herein.. also bad impression
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 21 2020, 12:11 PM)
Most of are using china.. u label as ccp.. gov do not label them as ccp.. dont force change d terms...fall in line with gov spirit.. brief the rest i guess?

If there are agents herein.. also bad impression
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Apr 21 2020, 11:59 AM)
Then backdoor is legit strategy liao.
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Then is it still democracy?
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wow. ts with his anti china threads again.. wonder if he is CIA?
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So same as you. Pro China fella.
Fact >>> China cant survive without USA.
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china is going to experience a lot of defaults, especially since their loans are to the less developed countries that dont do too well in recessions.
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QUOTE(SinzChan @ Apr 21 2020, 11:52 AM)
china die then die lo, us oil collapse then collapse lor...msia oso cannot solve its own problem lagi mau hiulan those bodo outside
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Apr 21 2020, 11:56 AM)
We are not CCP here. Gomen can be criticised and voted out.
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Look at katak bawah tempurung.

So why are people angry with backdoor gomen?

So why people butthurt trump?


CCP can change their leader sooner than you wait 4 years for election.

That is why CCP now world number 2 from world number 100.

So how singapore changes their gomen?

They democracy?

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Iraq now democracy ,better? laugh.gif

Naive.


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I’m glad Americans voted for trump, a true leader.
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QUOTE(LA757 @ Apr 21 2020, 04:48 AM)
Hello! Silk Road sudah siap la sampai Pakistan boder...we already finished the project there lama sudah..almost 7 years ago. Silk road across central China tu Uzbek/Kyrg border also siap. Modern highways & rail infrastructure.

More modern than USA infrastructure.

Author paling pandai...
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Who’s “we”? Commie rats hiding from immigration officers?
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QUOTE(MPIK @ Apr 21 2020, 12:18 PM)
So same as you. Pro China fella.
Fact >>> China cant survive without USA.
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You are wrong.


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Go find some numbers to support your statement.

And you will be surprised.


I mean, you were never a bright guy and never predicted anything correctly. You never even share anything useful.


So im asking you to go find some numbers to support your 'fact', so you can learn something along the way.
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China will move forward.
Anti China keep goreng China going to collapse for decades....
We will see in 10 years. Hahaha.

Meanwhile in Malaysia, seriously I got no idea.... Probably people enjoy their freedom to vote backdoor gov. Who care about future, we want now and afterlife....

Hahaha
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 21 2020, 12:03 PM)
Yea but all mendukung policy to cooperate n mass investment with china.. you guys here wreaking havoc.. even the current gov..

Medical teams still cooperating.. if there are really china agents here like
ohman .. that is a bad remark n against gov policy..
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Salute comrade keep up the good work.

We the 50 cent army need more patriotic people like you.
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wow. ts with his anti china threads again.. wonder if he is CIA?
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He is from Falungong.. He admitted before.
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Solve or create?
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QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Apr 21 2020, 11:34 AM)
I know about this, it is never meant to be completed but a white elephant project to spend money and songlap.
I regret I am still innocent in my 20's, why I have to be so honest when almost everyone is a thief and money can be taken with reasons you can name.
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TS will be disappointed. In fact the belt and road is not really white elephant but meant to defeat US embargo and naval blockade. Belt and road project halted in Europe and south east asia but not west asia and middle east. In fact, the path route linking Russia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, China, Pakistan, Iran is on.

You will find the useful of highway linking China, Pakistan to Iran allowing China and Russia to supply essential necessities, weapons, parts to Iran. US naval blockade on sactioned Iran is useless and Iran will be able to defend itself against US invasion. At the same time, logistics firms along the route and other businesses that derived from it prosper.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Apr 21 2020, 12:54 PM)
TS will be disappointed. In fact the belt and road is not really white elephant but meant to defeat US embargo and naval blockade. Belt and road project halted in Europe and south east asia but not west asia and middle east. In fact, the path route linking Russia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, China, Pakistan, Iran is on.

You will find the useful of highway linking China, Pakistan to Iran allowing China and Russia to supply essential necessities, weapons, parts to Iran.  US naval blockade on sactioned Iran is useless and Iran will be able to defend itself against US invasion. At the same time, logistics firms along the route and other businesses that derived from it prosper.
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No, the most important part, and one of the central objective of the project, the oil pipeline failed to materialize even after more than a decade now.
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china is going to experience a lot of defaults, especially since their loans are to the less developed countries that dont do too well in recessions.
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Probably thats what china wants. Remember Hambantota port, or Kenneth Kaunda International airport?

I fear this crisis actually played into China's hands
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wow. ts with his anti china threads again.. wonder if he is CIA?
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Like that ts is the most lame duck CIA ever...
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Ha ha ha ha ha.... dunno why he no worry about ECRL? whistling.gif
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Who needs ECRL when can songlap with restrictive movement biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(ohman @ Apr 21 2020, 12:40 PM)
You are wrong.
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Go find some numbers to support your statement.

And you will be surprised.
I mean, you were never a bright guy and never predicted anything correctly.  You never even share anything useful.
So im asking you to go find some numbers to support your 'fact', so you can learn something along the way.
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why not you proof me wrong?
LoL.
I quote a few instances
1) If Microsoft suspends Windows system remotely in China, tomorrow whole China technology industry die!
2) If Nvidia dont sell to China, China cant produce graphics cards
3) If Snapdragon... die
4) If USA dont pay a single cent for China for its goods supplied from China, China die...

In the end, China dies first
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Apr 21 2020, 01:01 PM)
Probably thats what china wants. Remember Hambantota port, or Kenneth Kaunda International airport?

I fear this crisis actually played into China's hands
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Its one thing if one country defaults, its another if 76 countries default. Even before they look at seizing anything, theyll have to recapitalise their banks to avoid a financial crisis.
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QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Apr 21 2020, 12:59 PM)
No, the most important part, and one of the central objective of the project, the oil pipeline failed to materialize even after more than a decade now.
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It is already in construction but to avoid violation of embargo, PRC purposely put it on hold until war happens in Iran, they'll start pumping oils channelling to China in return of food, weapons, equipments trade.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Apr 21 2020, 08:43 PM)
It is already in construction but to avoid violation of embargo, PRC purposely put it on hold until war happens in Iran, they'll start pumping oils channelling to China in return of food, weapons, equipments trade.
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Which means it is an white elephant, one which will never happen.
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QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Apr 21 2020, 09:46 PM)
Which means it is an white elephant, one which will never happen.
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Not white elephant anymore. The pipeline already there but pending activation at right time. China is planning to replace US as oil supplier in Asia to countries without much oil such as Japan, South Korea, Thailand that currently get from US. Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan will share dividends when mining in Spratlys started. When China influence grow stronger, China no longer obey US sanction and can overwrite dealing with which ever countries blacklisted by US.
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QUOTE(LA757 @ Apr 21 2020, 11:48 AM)
Hello! Silk Road sudah siap la sampai Pakistan boder...we already finished the project there lama sudah..almost 7 years ago. Silk road across central China tu Uzbek/Kyrg border also siap. Modern highways & rail infrastructure.

More modern than USA infrastructure.

Author paling pandai...
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CCP plotek so hardworking everyday
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better put our ignore list sheild on

ignore "not timid and slow", nut case commie supporter with mentally craze lunacy talk about irrelevant stuff, he debate like a pandan.
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another commie is "not timid and slow", damn stupid fella, keep talking nonsense

better put him in your ignore list

he likes to troll whenever he loses a debate and become butthurt
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Apr 21 2020, 09:53 PM)
Not white elephant anymore. The pipeline already there but pending activation at right time. China is planning to replace US as oil supplier in Asia to countries without much oil such as Japan, South Korea, Thailand that currently get from US. Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan will share dividends when mining in Spratlys started.  When China influence grow stronger, China no longer obey US sanction and can overwrite dealing with which ever countries blacklisted by US.
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That is the convenient script I understand, but it won't be complete after 20 years, nor it will for the next 20 years, probably 50 years or even forever.
It is nice to keep it going forever for a project which can never be completed so you can continue to siphon money for whatever amount that is asked, I know that because I am involved in a side project in the mid 2000's.
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QUOTE(Pitiuran @ Apr 21 2020, 09:55 PM)
another commie is "not timid and slow", damn stupid fella, keep talking nonsense

better put him in your ignore list

he likes to troll whenever he loses a debate and become butthurt
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NMSL itu budaya komunis
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so let's put him in ignore list

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QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Apr 21 2020, 09:57 PM)
That is the convenient script I understand, but it won't be complete after 20 years, nor it will for the next 20 years, probably 50 years or even forever.
It is nice to keep it going forever for a project which can never be completed so you can continue to siphon money for whatever amount that is asked, I know that because I am involved in a side project in the mid 2000's.
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Belt and road connecting to China allies already completed and running. Only links to Europe on hold. Russian also already linked up along with its ex-Soviet allies. Belt & road is not for corruption but to supply & trade with China allies bypassing US embargo.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Apr 21 2020, 10:01 PM)
Belt and road connecting to China allies already completed and running. Only links to Europe on hold. Russian also already linked up along with its ex-Soviet allies. Belt & road is not for corruption but to supply & trade with China allies bypassing US embargo.
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Don't lie lah, just because you think people cannot see it.
What happened to Peshawar-Karachi motorway?
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Apr 21 2020, 10:01 PM)
Belt and road connecting to China allies already completed and running. Only links to Europe on hold. Russian also already linked up along with its ex-Soviet allies. Belt & road is not for corruption but to supply & trade with China allies bypassing US embargo.
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QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Apr 21 2020, 10:05 PM)
Don't lie lah, just because you think people cannot see it.
What happened to Peshawar-Karachi motorway?
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The backdoor way already constructed allowing China to channel goods and supplies express to Iran. You're looking at the front to fool US. Like this, US cannot condemn China coz no proof. Ofcourse civilian like you mustn't know much. Later you will join the condemn and attack PRC for dealing with countries on embargo
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Apr 21 2020, 10:12 PM)
The backdoor way already constructed allowing China to channel goods and supplies express to Iran. You're looking at the front to fool US. Like this, US cannot condemn China coz no proof. Ofcourse civilian like you mustn't know much. Later you will join the condemn and attack PRC for dealing with countries on embargo
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You are using the strawman tactic as trained, while the question of pipeline still haven't been finish after decades.
Pakistan (neighbour to Iran) also cannot connect already stated for the Peshawar-Karachi, how you say China Iran already connected even.
Blaming others do not make you right.
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Well, at least the potential BRI losses shows no hidden agenda behind the covid-19 outbreak.
Makes the origin of the outbreak from America even more plausible.
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QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Apr 21 2020, 11:34 AM)
I know about this, it is never meant to be completed but a white elephant project to spend money and songlap.
I regret I am still innocent in my 20's, why I have to be so honest when almost everyone is a thief and money can be taken with reasons you can name.
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i dont get it. how can building infrastructure and transport networks possibly be a white elephant project ?

dont you think that cargo capacity is a much needed capability no matter where you are in the world
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i dont get it. how can building infrastructure and transport networks possibly be a white elephant project ?

dont you think that cargo capacity is a much needed capability no matter where you are in the world
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People care more about cash flow rather than results, especially true when employees and executive are never posted for long and position quickly shifted.

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People care more about cash flow rather than results, especially true when employees and executive are never posted for long and position quickly shifted.
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thats just short term thinking. cash is a symbolic construct and will fluctuate due to many factors

infra that you can actually use and touch, that will bring more value in the long run. why do you think physical gold increases in value during times of distress ?
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Sound like democracy to me...hahaha

QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Apr 22 2020, 04:02 PM)
People care more about cash flow rather than results, especially true when employees and executive are never posted for long and position quickly shifted.
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i thought the suppose silk road between east and west already running since 2016 or 17 ? from chong qing as the starting point, thru xin jiang, moscow, bla bla bla and end at germany ? even this time covid china also use this road to send the medical supply to the west.


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QUOTE(not timid and slow @ Apr 22 2020, 04:06 PM)
thats just short term thinking. cash is a symbolic construct and will fluctuate due to many factors

infra that you can actually use and touch, that will bring more value in the long run. why do you think physical gold increases in value during times of distress ?
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I am talking about what it is and what happened in reality, not idealized version of what should happen.
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i thought the suppose silk road between east and west already running since 2016 or 17 ? from chong qing as the starting point,  thru xin jiang, moscow, bla bla bla and end at germany ? even this time covid china also use this road to send the medical supply to the west.


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It couldn't even cross Jammu and Kashmir, let alone Pakistan, and now you are dreaming it is done and connected to Iran.
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this silk road thing will not die la... it will maybe shrunk at the most... China on the way to conquer Europa!
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It couldn't even cross Jammu and Kashmir, let alone Pakistan, and now you are dreaming it is done and connected to Iran.
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why would you want to go to those places when you can go to germany and other europe countries?you need to go to where the money is. so if pakistan has the monehhhh, then they will find a way to trade. but i guess probably just use ship route.

o btw, to those who enjoy train ride, this rail is 11000 km long.

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why would you want to go to those places when you can go to germany and other europe countries?you need to go to where the money is. so if pakistan has the monehhhh, then they will find a way to trade. but i guess probably just use ship route.

o btw, to those who enjoy train ride, this rail is 11000 km long.
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The oil pipeline is the primary objective from the beginning, hence the new silk road.
That's why it is already a failure as you mentioned it.
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The oil pipeline is the primary objective from the beginning, hence the new silk road.
That's why it is already a failure as you mentioned it.
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The New Silk Road was an initiative of the United States for Central Asia and Afghanistan, which aimed to integrate the region and boost its potential as a transit area between Europe and East Asia.[1] The initiative was announced by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in 2011 in a speech in Chennai.[2] The New Silk Road initiative would have linked Central and South Asia in four key areas: Regional Energy Markets, Trade and Transport, Customs and Border Operations, Businesses and People-to-People.[3] However, the initiative never got off the ground.[2] The term "New Silk Road" is now commonly used by journalists to refer to China's Belt and Road Initiative.

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The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI, or B&R[1]) is a global development strategy adopted by the Chinese government in 2013 involving infrastructure development and investments in nearly 70 countries and international organizations in Asia, Europe, and Africa.[2][3]

The leader of the People's Republic of China, Xi Jinping, originally announced the strategy during official visits to Indonesia and Kazakhstan in 2013. "Belt" refers to the overland routes for road and rail transportation, called "the Silk Road Economic Belt"; whereas "road" refers to the sea routes, or the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road.[4]

Formerly known as One Belt One Road (OBOR) (Chinese: 一带一路, short for the Silk Road Economic Belt and the 21st-century Maritime Silk Road (丝绸之路经济带和21世纪海上丝绸之路)[5]), it has been referred to as the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) since 2016 when the Chinese government considered the emphasis on the word "one" was prone to misinterpretation.[6] However, "One Belt One Road" (一带一路) is still used in Chinese-language media.[7]

Initial objectives
The stated objectives are "to construct a unified large market and make full use of both international and domestic markets, through cultural exchange and integration, to enhance mutual understanding and trust of member nations, ending up in an innovative pattern with capital inflows, talent pool, and technology database."[15] The initial focus has been infrastructure investment, education, construction materials, railway and highway, automobile, real estate, power grid, and iron and steel.[16] Already, some estimates list the Belt and Road Initiative as one of the largest infrastructure and investment projects in history, covering more than 68 countries, including 65% of the world's population and 40% of the global gross domestic product as of 2017.[17][18]

The Belt and Road Initiative addresses an "infrastructure gap" and thus has potential to accelerate economic growth across the Asia Pacific area, Africa and Central and Eastern Europe: a report from the World Pensions Council (WPC) estimates that Asia, excluding China, requires up to US$900 billion of infrastructure investments per year over the next decade, mostly in debt instruments, 50% above current infrastructure spending rates.[19] The gaping need for long term capital explains why many Asian and Eastern European heads of state "gladly expressed their interest to join this new international financial institution focusing solely on 'real assets' and infrastructure-driven economic growth"

well, if you think economy just all about oil. then yea. but since when pakistan is known of its oil ?

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well, if you think economy just all about oil. then yea. but since when pakistan is known of its oil ?
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The oil pipeline is the primary objective from the beginning, hence the new silk road.
That's why it is already a failure as you mentioned it.
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Read post #61 and #80 replies of Jayraptor and those are my response to him before your jump in.

 

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