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TSdarenohh
post Aug 1 2007, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(laguna1811 @ Aug 1 2007, 08:13 PM)
i dun think crisis will come so soon, those hedge funds wont just play so little 1
1st rule in trading is to survive, once u lose ur capital then is game over liau biggrin.gif profit later
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I think i can't participle in fkli .... cause going to work in China end of this month.... cry.gif cry.gif .. dun know when will back to malaysia again...
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post Aug 1 2007, 11:44 PM

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Never mind, you can take the opportunity to know more about the China market and maybe you can register an account there and trade their shares ler?...

Anyway, good luck!
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post Aug 2 2007, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(shih @ Aug 1 2007, 11:44 PM)
Never mind, you can take the opportunity to know more about the China market and maybe you can register an account there and trade their shares ler?...

Anyway, good luck!
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china market is crazy ... dun dare to go it as it is already very high .. but still ..people keep go in !!


Added on August 2, 2007, 4:59 amDJ up 150++ klse sure green ..

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post Aug 2 2007, 09:17 AM

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I won't play in this market currently, too risky, each day is different now, it all depends on US market now. No news, market goes up, got subprime or credit crunch issues stock plunge.

If you notice careful of last night DJ, the 150points is only occured at last 20 minutes of the session, prior 30 minutes before the close, the DJ is hovering at neutral point to slightly red. So it is pre-mature to say the whole market is stablise already.
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post Aug 2 2007, 09:48 AM

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Actually fkli can be used as a hedging tool for your portfolio. If your portfolio is huge and your average beta is very close to KLSE's you could actually use it to lock your portfolio from fluctuations. It isn't a perfect hedge but is an alternative for you if you do not want to liquidate your entire portfolio because of fluctuations. However you have to balance the number of short contract positions to your portfolio.


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post Aug 2 2007, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(Lcsx @ Aug 2 2007, 09:48 AM)
Actually fkli can be used as a hedging tool for your portfolio. If your portfolio is huge and your average beta is very close to KLSE's you could actually use it to lock your portfolio from fluctuations. It isn't a perfect hedge but is an alternative for you if you do not want to liquidate your entire portfolio because of fluctuations. However you have to balance the number of short contract positions to your portfolio.
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yup, that's the purpose of FKLI anyway as hedging tool. nod.gif But for most retail investor, it's used as speculation tool.
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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Aug 2 2007, 10:09 AM)
yup, that's the purpose of FKLI anyway as hedging tool.  nod.gif But for most retail investor, it's used as speculation tool.
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Yeah, most will liquidate all their stocks to speculate in the futures market. brows.gif
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post Aug 2 2007, 11:29 AM

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Actually FLKI is also used to create a market neutral position whereby you make the stock neutral to market influences but open only to the stock's strenghts, prospects and weakneses.

Another use for FLKI is for exiting very huge positions in the KLCI. If a fund wants to exit a position huge enough to influence the market, the fund could have short position and exit their funds. This is because if you exit huge positions your sale orders will not all be taken at a good price. The shortcoming is made up by your short positions in the FLKI.

Another use is by simmilar means as the above but purely for market manipulation. I am not elaborating on this.


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post Aug 2 2007, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(Lcsx @ Aug 2 2007, 11:29 AM)
Actually FLKI is also used to create a market neutral position whereby you make the stock neutral to market influences but open only to the stock's strenghts, prospects and weakneses.

Another use for FLKI is for exiting very huge positions in the KLCI. If a fund wants to exit a position huge enough to influence the market, the fund could have short position and exit their funds. This is because if you exit huge positions your sale orders will not all be taken at a good price. The shortcoming is made up by your short positions in the FLKI.

Another use is by simmilar means as the above but purely for market manipulation. I am not elaborating on this.
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Yup that's why those foreign investor, manipulator, jaws whatever u called it, will always win when exiting. Capital appreciation from the stock and gain from FKLI.
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post Aug 2 2007, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(Lcsx @ Aug 2 2007, 11:29 AM)
Actually FLKI is also used to create a market neutral position whereby you make the stock neutral to market influences but open only to the stock's strenghts, prospects and weakneses.

Another use for FLKI is for exiting very huge positions in the KLCI. If a fund wants to exit a position huge enough to influence the market, the fund could have short position and exit their funds. This is because if you exit huge positions your sale orders will not all be taken at a good price. The shortcoming is made up by your short positions in the FLKI.

Another use is by simmilar means as the above but purely for market manipulation. I am not elaborating on this.
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This had been done back 1997 financial crisis, hedge fund short the equities and respectively country currency simultaneously since they know they exit the market in big way as well as short the market which increase the currency downward pressure.

That's why until now KLSE is not permitting openly short selling of stock, only regulated short-selling allowed. The market is simple too small compared to the hedge fund size.

Currently, when market tumble, ringgit goes down as well so may be it is the sign of some 'hot' money moving out currently.
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post Aug 3 2007, 06:10 PM

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so any1 go in recently? the indicator show short for short term...
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post Aug 7 2007, 01:17 PM

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where n how can I sign up account to do this FKLI thing ?

can I do put/call options there ?
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post Aug 10 2007, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(mtsen @ Aug 7 2007, 01:17 PM)
where n how can I sign up account to do this FKLI thing ?

can I do put/call options there ?
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sorry for the late reply..

u can check with all the securities firm .. usually they have future a/c
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post May 28 2008, 11:40 AM

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Newbie here, where you guys trade FKLI...cimb i-trade can?
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QUOTE(bulkbiz @ May 28 2008, 11:40 AM)
Newbie here, where you guys trade FKLI...cimb i-trade can?
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As far as I knew, there is no online portal can trade FKLI yet.
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post May 28 2008, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 28 2008, 12:54 PM)
As far as I knew, there is no online portal can trade FKLI yet.
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ic, then where to trade?
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post May 28 2008, 02:10 PM

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go find a future broker lo smile.gif

open on account n goreng.....but very easy win n drop tongue.gif
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post May 28 2008, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(babylabbit @ May 28 2008, 02:10 PM)
go find a future broker lo smile.gif

open on account n goreng.....but very easy win n drop tongue.gif
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Where to find one?
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post May 28 2008, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(bulkbiz @ May 28 2008, 02:14 PM)
Where to find one?
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hi, my name is ethan i'm a futures broker from osk anything i can assit u? can email me, ethanfoo@yahoo.com or 012-9668830
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post Jun 8 2008, 10:45 AM

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Hey guy , can u teach me invest in KLCI. Need register? where to register?
Which website provide the latest update for KLCI? Need how much capital?
Any fUTURE BROKER recommand?

Kindly reply!

THANK!

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