QUOTE(rotloi @ May 20 2020, 01:15 PM)
Quick money mah...probably he is paid for the advertisement as well
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May 20 2020, 01:33 PM
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May 20 2020, 01:52 PM
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May 20 2020, 04:01 PM
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May 21 2020, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE(kvvk @ Apr 18 2020, 12:54 AM) Guys I got one noob question. Please read how dividends work. Why ar.. Everytime declare deviden.. After the ex date the dividend amount will be deducted from share price? Example ar.. Share AAA price at RM1. dividend RM0.02. After ex date the share price become 0.98. Altho u get dividend bank in to ur account but your share drop 0.02 cent. What's the point la like that? Anyone can give Pencerahan or not? A dividend is not free money. The money has to come from somewhere. If dividend works the way you thought it did, everyone can become super rich by borrowing RM1 million to buy all the shares they can right before ex-date, then pocket the free dividend money, sell back all the stocks to return the money borrowed. Also I would not recommend people to treat dividend magic like gospel. Understand that it really matters when you buy into a stock and don't just blindly follow the guy's portfolio. It's definitely not worth buying some of the stocks he's holding anymore, the ship has sailed a long time ago. Like Nestle. The guy bought Nestle stocks when it was at RM66.88. |
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May 21 2020, 09:57 AM
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QUOTE(infested_ysy @ May 21 2020, 12:10 AM) Please read how dividends work. Rule #1 - Do NOT buy a stock just for its dividends, unless the stock has proven track record of its management abilities and a track record of maintaining a sustainable growth in profit. Buying stocks just before ex-date is beyond stupid like you said. Dividend Magic also does not condone that kind of practice.A dividend is not free money. The money has to come from somewhere. If dividend works the way you thought it did, everyone can become super rich by borrowing RM1 million to buy all the shares they can right before ex-date, then pocket the free dividend money, sell back all the stocks to return the money borrowed. Also I would not recommend people to treat dividend magic like gospel. Understand that it really matters when you buy into a stock and don't just blindly follow the guy's portfolio. It's definitely not worth buying some of the stocks he's holding anymore, the ship has sailed a long time ago. Like Nestle. The guy bought Nestle stocks when it was at RM66.88. Rule #2 - I agree with you. Do NOT blindly follow someone else's portfolio when you don't even understand the how the company works. Nestle is definitely NOT a buy anymore, it is a hold at best, or he could've sold it off for a neat profit if he chooses to as his profit already flipped. So everyone else is quite late to the party now. Note: Remember that everyone was lamenting that the price of Nestle was too high when it was around RM60, and that they missed the boat. It just depends on one's perspectives. Rule #3 - To borrow a line from WB, do NOT forget rule #1 and rule #2. lola88 liked this post
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May 21 2020, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE(Jordy @ May 21 2020, 09:57 AM) Rule #1 - Do NOT buy a stock just for its dividends, unless the stock has proven track record of its management abilities and a track record of maintaining a sustainable growth in profit. Buying stocks just before ex-date is beyond stupid like you said. Dividend Magic also does not condone that kind of practice. Rule #2 - I agree with you. Do NOT blindly follow someone else's portfolio when you don't even understand the how the company works. Nestle is definitely NOT a buy anymore, it is a hold at best, or he could've sold it off for a neat profit if he chooses to as his profit already flipped. So everyone else is quite late to the party now. Note: Remember that everyone was lamenting that the price of Nestle was too high when it was around RM60, and that they missed the boat. It just depends on one's perspectives. Rule #3 - To borrow a line from WB, do NOT forget rule #1 and rule #2. |
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May 23 2020, 01:44 AM
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QUOTE(infested_ysy @ May 21 2020, 12:10 AM) Please read how dividends work. I admire people actually invest in those penny stocks with no proven track record... Those are heroes with brave souls....A dividend is not free money. The money has to come from somewhere. If dividend works the way you thought it did, everyone can become super rich by borrowing RM1 million to buy all the shares they can right before ex-date, then pocket the free dividend money, sell back all the stocks to return the money borrowed. Also I would not recommend people to treat dividend magic like gospel. Understand that it really matters when you buy into a stock and don't just blindly follow the guy's portfolio. It's definitely not worth buying some of the stocks he's holding anymore, the ship has sailed a long time ago. Like Nestle. The guy bought Nestle stocks when it was at RM66.88. |
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May 23 2020, 11:02 AM
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always ask yourself why the company kept paying dividend if they could use cash for business expansion?
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May 23 2020, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE(Seth Ho @ Apr 15 2020, 11:12 AM) I have discuss with many finance friends they said malaysia more suitable for dividend investment because the growth are affected by US stock market so the growth are not independent. I hope you don't think "finance background = great investors."But stock giving consistent dividend growth rate is really not many company there are many finance graduates every year, but I'm not sure if 50% of them are good / great investors. |
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May 23 2020, 01:40 PM
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May 23 2020, 05:20 PM
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Financial bloggers such as dividendmagic generally make money from sponsored posts and affiliate links. Financial bloggers are generally marketers of financial products. They might give you some basic advice here and there but that's about it. The recent Etoro endorsement was just a way for the writer to gain more commissions. Etoro is not regulated in Malaysia. If suddenly Bank Negara blocks fund transfers from Malaysian accounts to Etoro, investors will be massively screwed. The same thing happened with Luno for bitcoin in Malaysia previously. Etoro is also providing CFD (option on the stock) vs normal share purchase. Big big difference. Nowadays financial bloggers also showcase their entire portfolio. They do this so that more readers will purchase the same stocks as them and prop up their portfolio values. The universal rule here still applies- "those who can't do, teach". If you read the blog post on 16 March 2020, it was mentioned that "my return right now is at a measly 0.91%. Since inception." If you look back at the posting dates of the freedom fund, the first post is December 2015. If you had put your money in a risk-free FD account for the past 4 years, you would have outperform this portfolio without the need to do any single research. On a separate note, if you're into stocks, dividend yield is just a distraction for me personally. A company with high yield is not necessarily a good buy. A company can take on debt to pay dividends even if it's making losses. Share price will always move upwards in the long term if and only if revenue and net profit grows. In the short term, glove counters such as Top Glove are trading way ahead of their fundamentals due to FOMO and pure speculation. So do expect a sudden drop in share price of these counters when a vaccine is found. This post has been edited by johnsonlim777: May 23 2020, 05:22 PM lola88 liked this post
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May 23 2020, 09:02 PM
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Why divide magic is not responding to this post?
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May 24 2020, 12:59 AM
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QUOTE(johnsonlim777 @ May 23 2020, 05:20 PM) Nowadays financial bloggers also showcase their entire portfolio. They do this so that more readers will purchase the same stocks as them and prop up their portfolio values. Additional note: The universal rule here still applies- "those who can't do, teach". If you read the blog post on 16 March 2020, it was mentioned that "my return right now is at a measly 0.91%. Since inception." If you look back at the posting dates of the freedom fund, the first post is December 2015. If you had put your money in a risk-free FD account for the past 4 years, you would have outperform this portfolio without the need to do any single research. On a separate note, if you're into stocks, dividend yield is just a distraction for me personally. A company with high yield is not necessarily a good buy. A company can take on debt to pay dividends even if it's making losses. Share price will always move upwards in the long term if and only if revenue and net profit grows. In the short term, glove counters such as Top Glove are trading way ahead of their fundamentals due to FOMO and pure speculation. So do expect a sudden drop in share price of these counters when a vaccine is found. Don't ever trust financial gurus who claim they found a method to always win at trades and are trying to sell you their course, but never once do they show you their portfolio. Even those who show you their portfolio can be suspect because of reasons above. Easiest and safest way to make dividend is to just put money into buying blue chips like public bank, maybank, tenaga. |
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May 26 2020, 11:29 AM
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May 26 2020, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE(johnsonlim777 @ May 23 2020, 05:20 PM) The recent Etoro endorsement was just a way for the writer to gain more commissions. Etoro is not regulated in Malaysia. If suddenly Bank Negara blocks fund transfers from Malaysian accounts to Etoro, investors will be massively screwed. The same thing happened with Luno for bitcoin in Malaysia previously. Etoro is also providing CFD (option on the stock) vs normal share purchase. Big big difference. So which broker is regulated in SC that's offering zero commission for international stocks?And what about eToro FCA/ASIC regulation vs SC? If regulated in SC, what are the available remedies to compensate investors in case broker defaults? |
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May 26 2020, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ May 26 2020, 11:46 AM) So which broker is regulated in SC that's offering zero commission for international stocks? If licensed in Malaysia you can make clams in Malaysia. At very least, you are protected for RM100k under the Capital Markets Compensation Fund.And what about eToro FCA/ASIC regulation vs SC? If regulated in SC, what are the available remedies to compensate investors in case broker defaults? |
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May 26 2020, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE(johnsonlim777 @ May 23 2020, 05:20 PM) Financial bloggers such as dividendmagic generally make money from sponsored posts and affiliate links. Financial bloggers are generally marketers of financial products. They might give you some basic advice here and there but that's about it. There's still so many alternative payment methods like Paypal, Neteller, Skrill and so on that would bypass any such restrictions. eToro is one of the easiest to fund and withdraw from, it's no wonder that so many Malaysians use it. Personally I only follow DM to see what he's up to and see if I can get any useful information from it. I don't follow any of his suggestions for the most part because the window has long closed.The recent Etoro endorsement was just a way for the writer to gain more commissions. Etoro is not regulated in Malaysia. If suddenly Bank Negara blocks fund transfers from Malaysian accounts to Etoro, investors will be massively screwed. The same thing happened with Luno for bitcoin in Malaysia previously. Etoro is also providing CFD (option on the stock) vs normal share purchase. Big big difference. QUOTE(Cubalagi @ May 26 2020, 12:17 PM) If licensed in Malaysia you can make clams in Malaysia. At very least, you are protected for RM100k under the Capital Markets Compensation Fund. None of the foreign brokers are licensed in Malaysia. In the end it doesn't matter. If you want to make money, you have to grow some balls. If you need tongkat for every investment you make, might as well dump all your spare cash into EPF and just wait for retirement. |
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May 26 2020, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE(Salvador_Dali @ Apr 8 2020, 10:12 AM) I agree, a good example is AirAsia. Good dividend but was stripped naked by Tony and gang for years, even before coronavirus. RM10-12 billion debt, sold off most of their airplanes and take profit and give out as dividend. Madness yeah that's fcked up. why do they do that rather than investing back to their core biz? |
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May 26 2020, 02:52 PM
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You know what's an influencer?
Even rakuten trade keep promoting him. LOL. |
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May 26 2020, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE(red streak @ May 26 2020, 02:48 PM) There's still so many alternative payment methods like Paypal, Neteller, Skrill and so on that would bypass any such restrictions. eToro is one of the easiest to fund and withdraw from, it's no wonder that so many Malaysians use it. Personally I only follow DM to see what he's up to and see if I can get any useful information from it. I don't follow any of his suggestions for the most part because the window has long closed. I personally use eToro for two reasons:None of the foreign brokers are licensed in Malaysia. In the end it doesn't matter. If you want to make money, you have to grow some balls. If you need tongkat for every investment you make, might as well dump all your spare cash into EPF and just wait for retirement. 1. Instant funding with BigPay card at favourable exchange rate. I can fund my account in 2 mins max. 2. Regulated in FCA and ASIC, two of the well-known regulators. I personally have my account under FCA. |
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