QUOTE(ceo684 @ May 12 2023, 07:40 AM)
Is this DB ok? Need some advice before proceeding. Thanks in advance!Attached thumbnail(s)
RCCB for Water Heater
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QUOTE(stormer.lyn @ Oct 3 2023, 08:57 PM) I believe you will have unnecessary tripping faults. You have made a common Neutral busbar for both the top RCCB (Marked "40A 30mA" - Let's call this RCCB1) and the bottom RCCB (Marked "63A 100mA or 40A 30mA" - Let's call this RCCB2) Oh no, The DB box only has 1 neutral busbar. Need to change DB box or can add another neutral busbar?This may happen : Current flows through RCCB1 live > MCB 16A > socket in room > appliance > Neutral wire back to DB > Neutral busbar > RCCB2 Neutral. Your RCCBs will trip. You have to split the Neutral busbar for RCCB1 and RCCB2. The WH Neutrals must be connected to the RCCB2 Neutral busbar, as the current to the WH originated from RCCB2. Also, physically, when I am making the connections, I would connect the 10 mm² wires together. This is for the WH Live. In the drawing it is connected through the Live busbar at each end. Potentially the Live busbar will heat up. For the WH live you mean replace the busbar to 10mm wire instead? Thanks ya |
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Oct 5 2023, 07:49 AM
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QUOTE(stormer.lyn @ Oct 5 2023, 08:37 AM) Yes, this diagram looks good. What I meant about the water heater live wire is in the picture below. I see. True also. Possible to slot 2 10mm cables & busbar tines into the same mcb . I mean does it fit?![]() This is the physical connection of the wires. This way the Current to the WH doesn't go through the busbar, but goes wire-to-wire. If you look at a busbar, the bar is rated for 120A (example) but the tines are rated for the Current to an MCB only. They way wiremen stuff the incoming wire into the MCB and get it to distribute is dangerous in my opinion. Sorry, a bit busy to get on LYN. In the marine line, many ships right now. But I'll try to get back to you asap if you have any further questions. Thanks for everyones input on this. Really appreciate it. |
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Oct 5 2023, 01:49 AM) Mixing your neutrals BEFORE the RCD "checkpoint" has different implications. Quick question. According to the wireman the RCCB can be fed from both ways, Is the Live & Neutral position correct? New RCCB ABB Model FH202 & MCB SH201L.U know how shops like genki sushi and sushi king charge for per-plate kaiten belt sushi? RCD operates like u eat, u pay for your plate tower. Now let's say I eat, I don't know you, but I put my plates into your table. I also have many of the old MCB ABB Model S231. Can i mix and use back? Thanks Attached picture below Attached thumbnail(s) |
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Oct 7 2023, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Oct 7 2023, 01:37 PM) Yes the FH202 terminals are bidirectional from the diagram 1/2 2/1 Thanks for reply. Mine all the new one SH201L. What is the difference with L and without ya?SH201 without L better. Old MCB u need to check for fakes as well. Since new MCB not expensive rm 8 a piece I would go for new “peace of mind” for 30 years Ok .will change all to new mcb |
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By the way the RCCB L & N in correct position right? Also the MCB load at bottom correct?
Thanks a bunch |
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Oct 14 2023, 12:30 AM) L is slightly cheaper. Thanks for the replies.The barang cost only 50c or rm1 a pc difference. I don't bother using 4.5ka SH201L because the small diff use 6kA SH201 better The SH201L one is when "every cent is a problem" case when client very tight for money but its not worth stocking.. 16mm x2 in that almost impossible to fit. U forgot the up to. Also note per each water heater = need its own unique unit of 10mA. Three WH = 3pcs 10mA. [attachmentid=11482041] Also note that this is 30 year old regulations (ER 1994) in the era of flourescent tubes and window-box type aircon It is also illegal w.e.f July 2023 in SG to use anything other than a 30mA RCD for the main RCD. This is for safety reasons. [attachmentid=11482043] By right should be protected by 2 pcs of 40A MCB if 2 pcs of 10mm cable is used. A 63A main switch does not protect any of the 10mm cable. Going by principle of either FUSE PROTECT CABLE = OK and CABLE PROTECT FUSE = 🔥 this should be better managed especially by the tradespeople Loose cut (cut by 1m lengths) mega kabel 16mm only few ringgit even to order in the correct multi colours Red Yellow Blue Black.. ** sorry, am typing on laptop quite hard to do the alt 0178 *Update - The main switch has been changes to 40A instead of 63A,the Positions of the neutral & earth link , mcb & the supply to the Water Heaters. ** The cut off TNB fuse is @32A and i think the cable from the meter is 25mm and not 16mm. Like what you said fitting in 2 X 16mm into the same slot is nearly impossible. Attached thumbnail(s) |
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Oct 31 2023, 12:54 PM) I’m not in favour of this because it only has CE shiok sendiri mark. It’s not a proper Sirim or equivalent certification. I see coz the wireman recommended. Will skip it in this case. The others should be good to go right?Once finished wiring will start to change the DB ceo684 liked this post
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