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post Apr 3 2020, 12:41 AM, updated 6y ago

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Greetings to all peugeot 508 car owners and sifus' out there,

I'm thinking of getting a used peugeot 508 launched in year 2012 model.

2012 peugeot 508

I see most are selling around 30-40 k currently, which is quite affordable for a well spec D segment car. However, my biggest concern is the reliability of this car. I have read quite substantially about this car from forums and reviews, and those issues faced by Peugeot owners especially those older model has casted some doubt upon me to get this car.
I really appreciate valuable input from car owners and anyone with experience on this car to share with me their input. hows the reliability of this car in general? hows the after sales service by nasim at present? how affordable to own this car compare to others in its class?
what's the common issue with this car?
Thank you very much all, have a great day everyone biggrin.gif
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post Apr 3 2020, 01:08 AM

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conti car after 5years need some repair liao, no matter what brand
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Reliability not found in 8 years old car. Definitely need some big money replacing many parts.

Or u can join 508 fb group.

Reliable within 5 years is 508 sw Diesel
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post Apr 3 2020, 01:31 AM

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With 30-40k, looks like you're going for '12 model if I'm not wrong. Hmmm
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Hardly see one on the road. Better to avoid it as spare parts are rare. Your car might end up longer in workshop than on the road.
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post Apr 3 2020, 05:01 AM

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2012 peugeot cars is bad. Seriously. During 2013 i bought a new 308 turbo. My 308 keep having problems and after research, Around those years peugeot cars 2010-2016 are all shitty pile. I still have it because selling feels like at lost. So i bought a new suv 3008 at 2018. Better than those 2010-2016 years
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post Apr 3 2020, 06:05 AM

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QUOTE(Bosskurap @ Apr 3 2020, 04:01 AM)
2012 peugeot cars is bad. Seriously. During 2013 i bought a new 308 turbo. My 308 keep having problems and after research, Around those years peugeot cars 2010-2016 are all shitty pile. I still have it because selling feels like at lost. So i bought a new suv 3008 at 2018. Better than those 2010-2016 years
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I see , means Peugeot car so long made before 2016 , can say probably no need consider , right ? I did see some says on the forum that from 508 model onwards , Peugeot have improved on their reliability, heard some owners are happy with it ,service center has improved since then ( got some have issues with it also ), not sure how far it’s true la on the improvements said . I also saw some owners whom selling the car claimed that they changed very major parts such as entire engine , turbo system , aircond system and high pressure pump during warranty period . That send shivers immediately to me. Why would the entire engine need to be changed ? What went wrong ? And since there is no more warranty, how if I bought the car and some time later the engine need to change for the same reason as the previous owner ? I can’t imagine how much time and money need to be spent . I tried asking the seller Why change so many parts , they said So that the car is like new and so that able to sell at higher price. Once again , I’m not sure how far this is true . I have scouted quite some cars so far and really, not that often I heard of owners get a new engine. Perhaps a really big red flag ?
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post Apr 3 2020, 06:11 AM

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QUOTE(Captain89 @ Apr 3 2020, 12:31 AM)
With 30-40k, looks like you're going for '12 model if I'm not wrong. Hmmm
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Correct sir , from paper it does seemed to ticked a lot of boxes such as equipments, safety , ride and handling , good performance, spacious and looks good( IMHO ). Hence at this price range , it does looks like a pretty good bargain ,on paper at least. Only question left is how reliable the car is and how’s the maintenance like for the car , which is the reason I started this thread and I appreciate all your inputs smile.gif
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post Apr 3 2020, 06:17 AM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Apr 3 2020, 12:18 AM)
Reliability not found in 8 years old car. Definitely need some big money replacing many parts.

Or u can join 508 fb group.

Reliable within 5 years is 508 sw Diesel
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Let’s say to get car around similar age ,Would it be better to just stick back to those proven to be reliable Japanese brand instead for reliability ? Or reliability just not found in most cars above 5 years , I wonder
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If you want to get a conti car like 508, my advice get the diesel model. My mechanic customer got 1 508 diesel model with over 200k mileage on board. Very smooth and powerfull until today.

The only issue with peugeot is a lot of the plastic parts like to fail especially the power window gearing. My mechanic help the owner to purchase from oversea, i think from Taiwan after local spare part shop quoted very expensive just for few plastic gearing.
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Don't if u haven't done your homework first.

1. Check and ensure the previous owner already went for the recall program. If not, call Naza Glenmarie to enquire. If still can then worth it. U need to spend around RM 2K for service to qualify.

2. If already underwent for recall program then worth it. U only need to spend money on brakes, tires, belts, ABS sensors, plastic trimmings and basic service (oil, ATF and such).

Only the 408 fixed all the problems with 308, 3008, 508, 5008 and RCZ.

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QUOTE(kenshin9271 @ Apr 3 2020, 06:17 AM)
Let’s say to get car around similar age ,Would it be better to just stick back to those proven to be reliable Japanese brand instead for reliability ? Or reliability just not found in most cars above 5 years , I wonder
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D segment $40 Jap car will be quite an old model. You will still need to spend some money to fix everything. I'd say you will spend a little less on the 2012 508. For reliability, you cant beat the Jap cars. Maintenance on 508 will be high.

As mentioned by acbc, 408 was intrduced with a improved engine. Engine Gb combo on this model has proved better reliability than all other Pugs of its time. Current owner( even though 2nd,3rd,4th) is eligible for recalls FOC!

If you are looking for reliability,then stick with Jap. If you want driving excitment,408thp is a good choice. A little bit more on maintenance, won't kill your wallet,but completely new level of driving dynamics! There's a few very good pug workshops in Klang Valley. Your can be maintained at tip top condition at resonable price!
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 3 2020, 09:02 AM)
If you want to get a conti car like 508, my advice get the diesel model. My mechanic customer got 1 508 diesel model with over 200k mileage on board. Very smooth and powerfull until today.

The only issue with peugeot is a lot of the plastic parts like to fail especially the power window gearing. My mechanic help the owner to purchase from oversea, i think from Taiwan after local spare part shop quoted very expensive just for few plastic gearing.
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I see , thanks for the input . I see even lesser owners selling the diesel model ( 508 gt ) , even harder to find but I will
Keep an eye for it . I guess the only other used diesel sedan that fits in my budget is Ford Focus tdci, I see only left several units left for sale on the website . Heard good things about it , it’s one of the car I considering too .
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QUOTE(acbc @ Apr 3 2020, 09:10 AM)
Don't if u haven't done your homework first.

1. Check and ensure the previous owner already went for the recall program. If not, call Naza Glenmarie to enquire. If still can then worth it. U need to spend around RM 2K for service to qualify.

2. If already underwent for recall program then worth it. U only need to spend money on brakes, tires, belts, ABS sensors, plastic trimmings and basic service (oil, ATF and such).

Only the 408 fixed all the problems with 308, 3008, 508, 5008 and RCZ.
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Thanks so much , I will check it out smile.gif
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QUOTE(kenshin9271 @ Apr 3 2020, 12:16 PM)
Thanks so much , I will check it out smile.gif
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Bear in mind if u taking a loan for Peugeot. After 3 years, the RV will be very low. Most of my friends opt to buy cash for 308 and 408. 508 got 1 fella took a 3-year loan.
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post Apr 3 2020, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Apr 3 2020, 10:06 AM)
D segment $40 Jap car will be quite an old model. You will still need to spend some money to fix everything. I'd say you will spend a little less on the 2012 508. For reliability, you cant beat the Jap cars. Maintenance on 508 will be high.

As mentioned by acbc, 408 was intrduced with a improved engine. Engine Gb combo on this model has proved better reliability than all other Pugs of its time. Current owner( even though 2nd,3rd,4th) is eligible for recalls FOC!

If you are looking for reliability,then stick with Jap. If you want driving excitment,408thp is a good choice. A little bit more on maintenance, won't kill your wallet,but completely new level of driving dynamics! There's a few very good pug workshops in Klang Valley. Your can be maintained at tip top condition at resonable price!
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Thanks for the advise smile.gif the 408 with improved engine is the one launched in April 2015 right ?
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QUOTE(kenshin9271 @ Apr 3 2020, 06:11 AM)
Correct sir , from paper it does seemed to ticked a lot of boxes such as equipments, safety , ride and handling , good performance, spacious and looks good( IMHO ). Hence at this price range , it does looks like a pretty good bargain ,on paper at least. Only question left is how reliable the car is and how’s the maintenance like for the car , which is the reason I started this thread and I appreciate all your inputs smile.gif
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QUOTE(heart strings @ Apr 3 2020, 12:37 PM)
can i know why of all car, you want a peugeot ?
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Why you want Peugeot ?

It is the worst car brand to buy in malaysia even for new cars.
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post Apr 3 2020, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(kenshin9271 @ Apr 3 2020, 06:05 AM)
I see , means Peugeot car so long made before 2016 , can say probably no need consider , right ? I did see some says on the forum that from 508 model onwards , Peugeot have improved on their reliability, heard some owners are happy with it ,service center has improved since then ( got some have issues with it also ), not sure how far it’s true la on the improvements said . I also saw some owners whom selling the car claimed that they changed very major parts such as entire engine , turbo system , aircond system and high pressure pump during warranty period . That send shivers immediately to me. Why would the entire engine need to be changed ? What went wrong ? And since there is no more warranty, how if I bought the car and some time later the engine need to change for the same reason as the previous owner ? I can’t imagine how much time and money need to be spent . I tried asking the seller Why change so many parts  , they said So that the car is like new and so that able to sell at higher price. Once again , I’m not sure how far this is true . I have scouted quite some cars so far and really, not that often I heard of owners get a new engine. Perhaps a really big red flag ?
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Peugeot service centre like to ketuk one. Everytime i went for service, it cost me around 1.3k minimum, this is under their “free 5 years service” claim. Turns out its only labour charge that is free, everytime i send for service. Peugeot SC claim they need to replace this and that parts. So when u said the previous owner said he need change parts so its like new, honestly i chuckled a bit. I understand why he desperately need to sell the car. Even my old 308 feels like a burden.

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post Apr 3 2020, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(Eternalgl0ry @ Apr 3 2020, 12:29 PM)
Why you want Peugeot ?

It is the worst car brand to buy in malaysia even for new cars.
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It does seemed to offer more in terms of equipment , ride and handling and looks good for its price ,just not sure about its reliability. I guess there must be a reason why is it’s RV is way lower than its peers.
Based from the feedbacks from gentlemen here , seems like a bad choice
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QUOTE(Bosskurap @ Apr 3 2020, 01:02 PM)
Peugeot service centre like to ketuk one. Everytime i went for service, it cost me around 1.3k minimum, this is under their “free 5 years service” claim. Turns out its only labour charge that is free, everytime i send for service. Peugeot SC claim they need to replace this and that parts. So when u said the previous owner said he need change parts so its like new, honestly i chuckled a bit. I understand why he desperately need to sell the car. Even my old 308 feels like a burden.
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I see , then I guess it’s safe to say you will never get another Peugeot again ?
1.3 k sounds pretty hefty for each service and doesn’t sound right to have parts changed that frequent .
May I know what parts you changed so far from your experience ?

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QUOTE(kenshin9271 @ Apr 3 2020, 02:45 PM)
I see , then I guess it’s safe to say you will never get another Peugeot again ?
1.3 k sounds pretty hefty for each service and doesn’t sound right to have parts changed that frequent .
May I know what parts you changed so far from your experience ?
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Yes, I will never again buy peugeot. For the parts, they changed

-hydraulic for the car boot (no problem whatsoever suddenly change)
-window panel (works fine, after sending service suddenly problem, then came by 2nd time for them to fix it, they charged me, file complaint n maki them, they said next time problem they waive free panel change)
-dashboard color ( i dunno why need change, they claim new software system)

The others were essential parts like brake pad, timing belt, n etc. So i dont complain much
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QUOTE(kenshin9271 @ Apr 3 2020, 06:17 AM)
Let’s say to get car around similar age ,Would it be better to just stick back to those proven to be reliable Japanese brand instead for reliability ? Or reliability just not found in most cars above 5 years , I wonder
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Well depend on how much u willing to spend on. For me a brand new car suit my purpose, the warranty helps me from any unplanned problem. My brother in law meanwhile buy a 6 or 7 year old E Class Diesel back then with airmatic suspension. Last year he spend about rm14k for the airmatic alone, but worth it as he love keep the car as his 2nd car. If it on me, i will trade in and lazy to pump money on old car with many potential problems.

Related to 508, the 1.6T engine need to make sure if it already cw upgraded parts by Peugeot SC. As they are some design flaws which make the engine not reliable at all, but MOST (100%?) are resolved via upgraded parts.

If i were u, better get a 508 Diesel which are more reliable, less headache on engine parts. Cons, hard to get on market.

This post has been edited by ayamxxx: Apr 3 2020, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE(Bosskurap @ Apr 3 2020, 02:55 PM)
Yes, I will never again buy peugeot. For the parts, they changed

-hydraulic for the car boot (no problem whatsoever suddenly change)
-window panel (works fine, after sending service suddenly problem, then came by 2nd time for them to fix it, they charged me, file complaint n maki them, they said next time problem they waive free panel change)
-dashboard color ( i dunno why need change, they claim new software system)

The others were essential parts like brake pad, timing belt, n etc. So i dont complain much
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I saw one aunty on Citroen FB group. Her car was just finished warranty for a month and then the electronic parts which controls the wiper control k.o.

Sc ask about almost 2k for that alone b4 anything else.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Apr 3 2020, 03:05 PM)
I saw one aunty on Citroen FB group. Her car was just finished warranty for a month and then the electronic parts which controls the wiper control k.o.

Sc ask about almost 2k for that alone b4 anything else.
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Thats the problem with cont cars. They use ur ego against u, if u aint rich u shouldn’t use cont cars. Then the kiaosu guy who’s not rich enough kena ketuk kaw kaw n cant complaint coz ego too big
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The cars that smart people avoid buying in Malaysia: AUDI, VW, CITROEN, PEUGEOT, RENAULT, KOREAN CARS.

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QUOTE(empire @ Apr 3 2020, 04:03 PM)
The cars that smart people avoid buying in Malaysia: AUDI, VW, CITROEN, PEUGEOT, RENAULT, KOREAN CARS.

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Kia & hyundai still problematic?
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consider a Mercedes w211 e200 kompressor model (2007~2009)

it has a comfort, build quality of a tank, prestige, reasonable maintenance cost (if well taken care) and not to mention, tons of spare parts availability.
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Got battery problem one for ‘19 model.
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QUOTE(xemoboyx @ Apr 3 2020, 05:37 PM)
consider a Mercedes w211 e200 kompressor model (2007~2009)

it has a comfort, build quality of a tank, prestige, reasonable maintenance cost (if well taken care) and not to mention, tons of spare parts availability.
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Yes get the facelift version. Prefacelift cw SBC brake which cost a lot of money once it problem. Engine + gb petty reliable though
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QUOTE(Eternalgl0ry @ Apr 3 2020, 01:29 PM)
Why you want Peugeot ?

It is the worst car brand to buy in malaysia even for new cars.
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Yes i concur worse car to buy.
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IF you want to buy a used or reconditioned car. Toyota is the only choice

Yes it is the only choice. I would buy a FJ cruiser even it is discontinued but i held back because i like new tech
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QUOTE(Eternalgl0ry @ Apr 3 2020, 08:01 PM)
IF you want to buy a used or reconditioned car. Toyota is the only choice

Yes it is the only choice. I would buy a FJ cruiser even it is discontinued but i held back because i like new tech
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I see , however somehow I feel Toyota too mainstream and not very exciting and very good resale value , no doubt it’s well known for its reliability though
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Apr 3 2020, 06:51 PM)
Yes i concur worse car to buy.
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After I started this thread , I’m even more convinced on this fact
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QUOTE(xemoboyx @ Apr 3 2020, 04:37 PM)
consider a Mercedes w211 e200 kompressor model (2007~2009)

it has a comfort, build quality of a tank, prestige, reasonable maintenance cost (if well taken care) and not to mention, tons of spare parts availability.
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Thanks I will take a look into . But that will be above 10 years car . Still worth to go for it ? personally imho I feel it’s kinda too “executive” looking for me. Looking for something with a tad of sportiness( not sport car and I dont think I’m considered a Fast driver ) , can bring occasional fun ride and handling for young professionals. Hope you get me
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Thinking of it ,Is it why we don’t see them that often anymore nowadays?
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QUOTE(Bosskurap @ Apr 3 2020, 01:55 PM)
Yes, I will never again buy peugeot. For the parts, they changed

-hydraulic for the car boot (no problem whatsoever suddenly change)
-window panel (works fine, after sending service suddenly problem, then came by 2nd time for them to fix it, they charged me, file complaint n maki them, they said next time problem they waive free panel change)
-dashboard color ( i dunno why need change, they claim new software system)

The others were essential parts like brake pad, timing belt, n etc. So i dont complain much
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It sounded like they don’t really know what they are doing .
Or they trying to boost part sales perhaps to hit target ?
I’ve read some on forum saying their service as improved over the years , but I guess not from the sound of it
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Apr 3 2020, 02:02 PM)
Well depend on how much u willing to spend on. For me a brand new car suit my purpose, the warranty helps me from any unplanned problem. My brother in law meanwhile buy a 6 or 7 year old E Class Diesel back then with airmatic suspension. Last year he spend about rm14k for the airmatic alone, but worth it as he love keep the car as his 2nd car. If it on me, i will trade in and lazy to pump money on old car with many potential problems.

Related to 508, the 1.6T engine need to make sure if it already cw upgraded parts by Peugeot SC. As they are some design flaws which make the engine not reliable at all, but MOST (100%?) are resolved via upgraded parts.

If i were u, better get a 508 Diesel which are more reliable, less headache on engine parts. Cons, hard to get on market.
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After starting this thread I think I will avoid Peugeot all together bro . Not many diesel sedans in malaysia to choose from. I certainly don’t mind driving a used diesel car , heard the low end torque is pretty addictive . Do you have any diesel sedan to recommend ? Appreciate it

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QUOTE(kenshin9271 @ Apr 3 2020, 09:34 PM)
It sounded like they don’t really know what they are doing .
Or they trying to boost part sales perhaps to hit target ?
I’ve read some on forum saying their service as improved over the years , but I guess not from the sound of it
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If improved meaning from 2/10 to 5/10. I guess thats improvement to them hahaha.
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QUOTE(kenshin9271 @ Apr 3 2020, 12:23 PM)
Thanks for the advise smile.gif the 408 with improved engine is the one launched in April 2015 right ?
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The improved Prince engine,code name EP6CDTM, was launched in 2012 with 408thp.

2016 further improvements were made - EP6FDT/EP6FTDM

408ethp was launched with engine in 2016.

I doubt you'll find any used 508 with this engine. Whilst Peugeot was winning European Car of the year awards with their new models, Naza just killed all new models in Malaysia!

My advice, get the 508 if you want it. Have to spend a bit of time on maintenance. 408thp would be a better choice! Forget SC, most ppl have probelms with Peugeots cos they stuck to SC religiously! There are very good Pug workshops in Klang Valley!
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QUOTE(kenshin9271 @ Apr 3 2020, 09:38 PM)
After starting this thread I think I will avoid Peugeot all together bro . Not many diesel sedans in malaysia to choose from. I certainly don’t mind driving a used diesel car , heard the low end torque is pretty addictive . Do you have any diesel sedan to recommend ? Appreciate it
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No reason to avoid Peugeots. Instead avoid Peugeot SCs! All monkeys & customers have gone back frustrated , some cases with additional problems. There are a few excellent Pugs workshops in Klang Valley!

2016 308 & 3008 were cars of the year in Europe! Peugeot France production could not keepup with demand in Europe! In Malaysia 308 was a total flop, 3008 sold miserably, Naza's marketing & sales achivement!

If diesel is your cup of tea, you'll love 508GT. This a diesel, but may be hard to find used onces. Not many sold in Malaysia!
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life is short. have test driven the 407 previously and it's a joy to drive. the 508 shouldn't be any less enjoyable. join the owners fb group and seek more opinions there. as what others mentioned, there are reliable workshops out there that can service and maintain peugeot vehicles better than naza.
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QUOTE(cedyy @ Apr 4 2020, 10:30 AM)
life is short. have test driven the 407 previously and it's a joy to drive. the 508 shouldn't be any less enjoyable. join the owners fb group and seek more opinions there. as what others mentioned, there are reliable workshops out there that can service and maintain peugeot vehicles better than naza.
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Thanks ceddy and SKYjack for the input.
I actually met a seller which participated in the recall program and fortunate enough to have major parts changed and covered by sc :engine, Turbo, High Pressure Pump and Aircond set.
I guess that will make it a really good bargain? that would have costed a big bomb.
priced quite reasonably too < 35k. what do you think guys? I have joined their fb group too and diligently reading through their comments haha




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Thanks ceddy and SKYjack for the input.
I actually met a seller which participated in the recall program and fortunate enough to have major parts changed and covered by sc :engine, Turbo, High Pressure Pump and Aircond set.
I guess that will make it a really good bargain? that would have costed a big bomb.
priced quite reasonably too < 35k. what do you think guys? I have joined their fb group too and diligently reading through their comments haha
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looks like a great deal if compared to asking price on mudah and carlist. if both parties are agreeable and you're happy with the car condition, why not?
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looks like a great deal if compared to asking price on mudah and carlist. if both parties are agreeable and you're happy with the car condition, why not?
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yeah it is a private seller, I guess a new engine installed last year does really sweeten the deals a plenty and put a substantial amount nightmares behind. Also, I would go to private sellers anytime than dealers. Hows the customer experience of getting back to these reliable workshop like for regular servicing and repairs if any? level of satisfaction? able to solve most of your issues? Highly appreciate if any kind gentlemen can share some insight smile.gif
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Got both a 2011 Peugeot and 2012 vw at home. The Peugeot goes in and out of the workshop every month without miss.. The VW only goes to workshop every 5-7 month once for repairs..

For D segment just get the passat, way better drivetrain than the prince engine and aisin gearbox combo on the pug..

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Thanks ceddy and SKYjack for the input.
I actually met a seller which participated in the recall program and fortunate enough to have major parts changed and covered by sc :engine, Turbo, High Pressure Pump and Aircond set.
I guess that will make it a really good bargain? that would have costed a big bomb.
priced quite reasonably too < 35k. what do you think guys? I have joined their fb group too and diligently reading through their comments haha
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Thats very good price. As for recalls, you are also entitled to any future ones and foc! Just email NAZA customer service and they'll tell you latest recalls for your model.

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Got both a 2011 Peugeot and 2012 vw at home. The Peugeot goes in and out of the workshop every month without miss.. The VW only goes to workshop every  5-7 month once for repairs..

For D segment just get the passat, way better drivetrain than the prince engine and aisin gearbox combo on the pug..
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This kind of review is needed for TS b4 he made a decision. To goes in & out from workshop is really a big task especially when need a tow trucks even covered under insurance.


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It does seemed to offer more in terms of equipment , ride and handling and looks good for its price ,just not sure about its reliability. I guess there must be a reason why is it’s RV is way lower than its peers.
Based from the feedbacks from gentlemen here , seems like a bad choice
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This kind of review is needed for TS b4 he made a decision. To goes in & out from workshop is really a big task especially when need a tow trucks even covered under insurance.
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Yes many times the time taken to wait for towtruck by the side of the road is much longer than the repair itself
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Greetings to all peugeot 508 car owners and sifus' out there,

I'm thinking of getting a used peugeot 508 launched in year 2012 model.

<a href='https://<link removed>/2012/06/18/peugeot-508-relaunched-now-with-five-variants-including-hdi-diesel-and-sw-wagon-from-rm159k/' target='_blank'>2012 peugeot 508</a>

I see most are selling around 30-40 k currently, which is quite affordable for a well spec D segment car. However, my biggest concern is the reliability of this car. I have read quite substantially about this car from forums and reviews, and those issues faced by Peugeot owners especially those older model has casted some doubt upon me to get this car.
I really appreciate valuable input from car owners and anyone with experience on this car to share with me their input. hows the reliability of this car in general? hows the after sales service by nasim at present? how affordable to own this car compare to others in its class?
what's the common issue with this car?
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Currently own 2 Pugs. A 508 GT SW which I bought last year, 3 years old and done 30k had a great deal on it as it was a former diplomatic corp car. I haven't had any issues with it other than finding out to replace the rear bumper cost a king's ransom and am still waiting for it after 3 months of a Myvi crashing into it. The diesel ones are far more reliable than the petrol ones and can be run on B10 with no issues according to the previous owner. This car replaces a 2018 Kia Sportage GT that was sent to car heaven when it met head on with a Proton Iriz that was 9 days old.

The other Pug we own is a 3008 that just turned a year old. Its done 32k now and I've not had a single issue with it. I was quite torn between buying this, an X70 and a Mazda CX-5 2.2d but in the end bought this as I had a good deal on it.

You asked about diesel cars and I can tell you this Peugeot 508 is one of the best diesels you can buy out there for under RM60k. The next best diesel car is the Mazda6 but those don't come cheap and are even rarer in the market. There was a time Ford sold a Focus with the TDCI but it is equally rare as well.

If you are into the idea of big and cheap cars and don't mind cars that are 7-10 years old I would recommend a Ford Mondeo but don't get the one with the PowerShift gearbox. An extremely entertaining car to drive and you definitely get lots of car for the money.




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Currently  own 2 Pugs. A 508 GT SW which I bought last year, 3 years old and done 30k had a great deal on it as it was a former diplomatic corp car. I haven't had any issues with it other than finding out to replace the rear bumper cost a king's ransom and am still waiting for it after 3 months of a Myvi crashing into it. The diesel ones are far more reliable than the petrol ones and can be run on B10 with no issues according to the previous owner. This car replaces a 2018 Kia Sportage GT that was sent to car heaven when it met head on with a Proton Iriz that was 9 days old.

The other Pug we own is a 3008 that just turned a year old. Its done 32k now and I've not had a single issue with it. I was quite torn between buying this, an X70 and a Mazda CX-5 2.2d but in the end bought this as I had a good deal on it.

You asked about diesel cars and I can tell you this Peugeot 508 is one of the best diesels you can buy out there for under RM60k. The next best diesel car is the Mazda6 but those don't come cheap and are even rarer in the market. There was a time Ford sold a Focus with the TDCI but it is equally rare as well.

If you are into the idea of big and cheap cars and don't mind cars that are 7-10 years old I would recommend a Ford Mondeo but don't get the one with the PowerShift gearbox. An extremely entertaining car to drive and you definitely get lots of car for the money.
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"cost a kings ransom" haha
sounds like the parts are really challenging to source. where do you usually source it from may I know? yeah, many gentlemen here would agree with you that its better to get the diesel one for reliability. however the diesel one very hard to find used one for sale. I cant take the nightmare of visiting workshop frequently, time wasted for towing and follow ups so the petrol version is a no no for me.

the ford mondeo version to avoid is this one right?
ford mondeo powershift

I'm also seriously considering ford focus tdci too. Read quite extensively about it and it seems many endorse it for its performance, ride handling, fc and reliability. managed to find some selling below 25k but of course by now it is already 10 years old. do you think its still a good buy despite its age? probably the best value diesel sedan one can buy in malaysia for now?


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Yes many times the time taken to wait for towtruck by the side of the road is much longer than the repair itself
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yes, in this case I would rather drive a "boring" but get the job done car that get me from A to B any day,
than a "fun" car but gives me lots of headache. Thanks all for the advise smile.gif
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QUOTE(kenshin9271 @ Apr 6 2020, 03:47 PM)
yes, in this case I would rather drive a "boring" but get the job done car that get me from A to B any day,
than a "fun" car but gives me lots of headache. Thanks all for the advise smile.gif
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Which car are you going for? Peugeot?
Most local cars are good enough, if you want to get job done

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"cost a kings ransom" haha
sounds like the parts are really challenging to source. where do you usually source it from may I know? yeah, many gentlemen here would agree with you that its better to get the diesel one for reliability. however the diesel one very hard to find used one for sale. I cant take the nightmare of visiting workshop frequently, time wasted for towing and follow ups so the petrol version is a no no for me.

the ford mondeo version to avoid is this one right?
<a href='https://<link removed>/2011/03/09/ford-mondeo-2-0-ecoboost-powershift-short-drive/' target='_blank'>ford mondeo powershift</a>

I'm also seriously considering ford focus tdci too. Read quite extensively about it and it seems many endorse it for its performance, ride handling, fc and reliability. managed to find some selling below 25k but of course by now it is already 10 years old. do you think its still a good buy despite its age? probably the best value diesel sedan one can buy in malaysia for now?
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My 508 is still under warranty therefore it is brought back to NASIM for maintenance and repairs. The Sg Besi branch to be exact. I rate them fairly highly for their work but they are caught in a bit of a political storm as for many years they were used to dealing under the radar of a certain privilege but the last 2 years customs came down hard on them and it is part of the reason why parts are harder to come by through official channels. If I was willing to forgo the remaining warranty parts are much easier to source from various mechanics and most likely can be done within a few days.

The Ford TDCI engine is actually a Peugeot engine as well, during that era Ford and PSA jointly developed a family of diesel engines and some variants of it were used in a Mini as well. Also used in the London Taxi. There isn't any doubt that it is a very reliable engine and durable one too as many of them have also gone into light and medium sized vans as well. I would highly recommend this car but all of them are now more than 10 years old so it will be cash purchase as you won't be able to get financing on it through a bank.

The versions of the Mondeo to avoid are the ones with the 2.0l Ecoboost and Powershift, the 2.3l and the 2.0l Ecoboost after 2015 reverted to a standard torque converter automatic and are mostly reliable and just as fun to drive.
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My 508 is still under warranty therefore it is brought back to NASIM for maintenance and repairs. The Sg Besi branch to be exact. I rate them fairly highly for their work but they are caught in a bit of a political storm as for many years they were used to dealing under the radar of a certain privilege but the last 2 years customs came down hard on them and it is part of the reason why parts are harder to come by through official channels. If I was willing to forgo the remaining warranty parts are much easier to source from various mechanics and most likely can be done within a few days.

The Ford TDCI engine is actually a Peugeot engine as well, during that era Ford and PSA jointly developed a family of diesel engines and some variants of it were used in a Mini as well. Also used in the London Taxi. There isn't any doubt that it is a very reliable engine and durable one too as many of them have also gone into light and medium sized vans as well. I would highly recommend this car but all of them are now more than 10 years old so it will be cash purchase as you won't be able to get financing on it through a bank.

The versions of the Mondeo to avoid are the ones with the 2.0l Ecoboost and Powershift, the 2.3l and the 2.0l Ecoboost after 2015 reverted to a standard torque converter automatic and are mostly reliable and just as fun to drive.
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If reliability and followed by fun to drive and is my main area of interest here, between peugeot 508 gt and tdci ,can I say both is just as good?
Of course peugeot 508 gt has newer techs, more luxury interior, more elegant and executive look while tdci interior looks more dated and relatively plain in comparison , that is not very important to me. I'm quite happy with the package offered by tdci, which got most of the boxes checked, sufficient performance, good handling, fc, ABS, ESP, TCS and a reliable diesel engine. TDCI is half the price of 508 gt and I can purchase it with cash too.
Mondeo model after 2015 I rule out because I do not intend to spend that much for a car.
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First few years its ok, good to drive. Nice, comfy and just enough power. 5th year onwards, is where the headache starts.

1) HPFP failure at 70k mileage. 2.2k to replace
2) carbon deposit on the intake valves at 60k mileage. when this happens, you get the infamous limp mode
3) power window failure. when it fail, it really fail and straight fall into the door. No way to pull it up, if it happens when it's raining, good luck
4) one of the side mirror always go beyond stopping point. it smashes into the window when close, and flip all the way to the outside when open shakehead.gif
5) keyless entry sensor start going haywire 1 by 1. There's 1 on each door. 700 bucks to replace each, and 700 haven't include painting the handle
6) catalytic converter failure due to our poor fuel quality
7) valve cover leaking oil on 2nd year - changed the valve cover + gasket under warranty
8) PCV hose leaking oil on 1st year - changed o-ring in the PCV hose
9) coolant leaking at the turbo - changed o-ring under warranty
10) head-unit screen randomly not starting or rebooting
11) inside door handle rubber coating starting to turn green and peeling
12) battery dies every 1-2 years.
13) direction headlamp failure - fixed under warranty

That's all i can recall for now. I got a letter from naza after i sold the car for some recall replacement and also extended warranty to 7 years i think
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QUOTE(ctw88 @ Apr 7 2020, 12:37 PM)
1st batch 508 owner here. Sold it in 2016.

First few years its ok, good to drive. Nice, comfy and just enough power. 5th year onwards, is where the headache starts.

1) HPFP failure at 70k mileage. 2.2k to replace
2) carbon deposit on the intake valves at 60k mileage. when this happens, you get the infamous limp mode
3) power window failure. when it fail, it really fail and straight fall into the door. No way to pull it up, if it happens when it's raining, good luck
4) one of the side mirror always go beyond stopping point. it smashes into the window when close, and flip all the way to the outside when open
5) keyless entry sensor start going haywire 1 by 1. There's 1 on each door. 700 bucks to replace each, and 700 haven't include painting the handle
6) catalytic converter failure due to our poor fuel quality
7) valve cover leaking oil on 2nd year - changed the valve cover + gasket under warranty
8) PCV hose leaking oil on 1st year - changed o-ring in the PCV hose
9) coolant leaking at the turbo - changed o-ring under warranty
10) head-unit screen randomly not starting or rebooting
11) inside door handle rubber coating starting to turn green and peeling
12) battery dies every 1-2 years.
13) direction headlamp failure - fixed under warranty

That's all i can recall for now. I got a letter from naza after i sold the car for some recall replacement and also extended warranty to 7 years i think
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I wonder if this part of the PLANNED OBSOLETE by most car manufacturers? After 5 years warranty ends, for sure got problems here & there.

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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Apr 7 2020, 12:50 PM)
I wonder if this part of the PLANNED OBSOLETE by most car manufacturers? After 5 years warranty ends, for sure got problems here & there.

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Dailo, which brand car parts wont fail after 5 years ?
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Dailo, which brand car parts wont fail after 5 years ?
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Actually, my bimmers seem to be doing better. HPFP still running strong despite higher mileage

I dont expect things like side mirror, power window, keyless access to go crazy.

Leaks probably unavoidable. My 11 year old bimmer, just changed valve cover gasket and oil pan gasket. Spotted oil stain around the oil filter housing. Probably time to change the gasket as well. But then it's 5 years vs 11 years
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Actually, my bimmers seem to be doing better. HPFP still running strong despite higher mileage

I dont expect things like side mirror, power window, keyless access to go crazy.

Leaks probably unavoidable. My 11 year old bimmer, just changed valve cover gasket and oil pan gasket. Spotted oil stain around the oil filter housing. Probably time to change the gasket as well. But then it's 5 years vs 11 years
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I would say actually both BMW & Peugeot are on par on what they need to replace after 5 years
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QUOTE(carpathia @ Apr 14 2020, 10:53 AM)
I would say actually both BMW & Peugeot are on par on what they need to replace after 5 years
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Comparing the E60 to 508, ermm, the E60 needs lesser parts change in the same 5 years window. The major part changed for the E60 is actually the gearbox, which hasnt got it's transmission fluid changed before. So BMW's claim that it's "lifetime" transmission fluid is BS
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Comparing the E60 to 508, ermm, the E60 needs lesser parts change in the same 5 years window. The major part changed for the E60 is actually the gearbox, which hasnt got it's transmission fluid changed before. So BMW's claim that it's "lifetime" transmission fluid is BS
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Mazda follow that bs practice.
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QUOTE(ctw88 @ Apr 14 2020, 02:26 PM)
Comparing the E60 to 508, ermm, the E60 needs lesser parts change in the same 5 years window. The major part changed for the E60 is actually the gearbox, which hasnt got it's transmission fluid changed before. So BMW's claim that it's "lifetime" transmission fluid is BS
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FYI, i knew a few owners still driving E60.
BMW service center does recommend them to change the transmission during 60k, not sure if your service center did not inform you about it or miss-inform. biggrin.gif
The so call "lifetime" is just to let new owner fuzz free of no need to change fluid transmission during the warranty limit of 3 years or 60k. After that is your own already if the gearbox got any problem.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 14 2020, 03:15 PM)
FYI, i knew a few owners still driving E60.
BMW service center does recommend them to change the transmission during 60k, not sure if your service center did not inform you about it or miss-inform.  biggrin.gif
The so call "lifetime" is just to let new owner fuzz free of no need to change fluid transmission during the warranty limit of 3 years or 60k. After that is your own already if the gearbox got any problem..  tongue.gif
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Related to mercedes w211 back then, it comes with seal for life gb oil. But when went to mercedes specialist, perform the gb oil flush & change, the effect was great vs existing oil around 60k km.

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FYI, i knew a few owners still driving E60.
BMW service center does recommend them to change the transmission during 60k, not sure if your service center did not inform you about it or miss-inform.  biggrin.gif
The so call "lifetime" is just to let new owner fuzz free of no need to change fluid transmission during the warranty limit of 3 years or 60k. After that is your own already if the gearbox got any problem..  tongue.gif
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i think most of the car nowadays claim lifetime, i am hving altis 2009 also mentioned lifetime wo sweat.gif but i change every 50k
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QUOTE(ctw88 @ Apr 7 2020, 12:37 PM)
1st batch 508 owner here. Sold it in 2016.

First few years its ok, good to drive. Nice, comfy and just enough power. 5th year onwards, is where the headache starts.

1) HPFP failure at 70k mileage. 2.2k to replace
2) carbon deposit on the intake valves at 60k mileage. when this happens, you get the infamous limp mode
3) power window failure. when it fail, it really fail and straight fall into the door. No way to pull it up, if it happens when it's raining, good luck
4) one of the side mirror always go beyond stopping point. it smashes into the window when close, and flip all the way to the outside when open shakehead.gif
5) keyless entry sensor start going haywire 1 by 1. There's 1 on each door. 700 bucks to replace each, and 700 haven't include painting the handle
6) catalytic converter failure due to our poor fuel quality
7) valve cover leaking oil on 2nd year - changed the valve cover + gasket under warranty
8) PCV hose leaking oil on 1st year - changed o-ring in the PCV hose
9) coolant leaking at the turbo - changed o-ring under warranty
10) head-unit screen randomly not starting or rebooting
11) inside door handle rubber coating starting to turn green and peeling
12) battery dies every 1-2 years.
13) direction headlamp failure - fixed under warranty

That's all i can recall for now. I got a letter from naza after i sold the car for some recall replacement and also extended warranty to 7 years i think
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PUG lovers will say ' Oh its ok!! I dont believe all these fake news above! '. PUG lovers are a different kind of mentality. Cant reason with them...no matter what you say or showed proof to them not to buy PUG. I know...cos I tried really hard to convince my good friends not to buy PUG....but they mati2 refused to listen. OK la...so they bought PUG. After less than 1 year je...they sold! hahaha.... cannot tahan the maintenance and the car kept on rosak here rosak there rosak everywhere. Damn frust too...cos the spare parts damn blady mahal too. YAY! rclxm9.gif

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QUOTE(empire @ Apr 14 2020, 09:30 PM)
PUG lovers will say ' Oh its ok!! I dont believe all these fake news above! '. PUG lovers are a different kind of mentality. Cant reason with them...no matter what you say or showed proof to them not to buy PUG. I know...cos I tried really hard to convince my good friends not to buy PUG....but they mati2 refused to listen. OK la...so they bought PUG. After less than 1 year je...they sold! hahaha.... cannot tahan the maintenance and the car kept on rosak here rosak there rosak everywhere. Damn frust too...cos the spare parts damn blady mahal too. YAY! rclxm9.gif
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Depending on how the owner take care of it's ride. Like the diesel 508 owner i met before, he is happy with it's ride comfort, great fuel economy, high torque and easy maintenance of the diesel engine. Anyway he only pump Euro5 diesel fuel, that why no issue yet from the emission system (catalytic converter) even after 200k.

A lot of direct injection (Petrol or diesel) engine require good quality fuel to reduce the injector & emission system from failure and in the past if petrol version you need at least Ron97 above for Euro4 standard. But now i think no much issue for Ron95 as starting 2020 already Euro4 standard also.

For the carbon intake issue, all modern direct injection system engine will encounter. If want to be cheapskate can just buy valve cleaner and spray on the valves or intake. They are few videos doing this via youtube. My mechanic usually just open the intake manifold, spray with the cleaner and let it soak in few minutes before cleaning it and suck out the dirty stuff.

Yes, turbo engine tent to have more maintenance in term of seals, hose and gasket due to high heat & pressure it need to produce to get the high power. That why a lot of people hype about modern turbo engine, but once warranty out most mechanics will be very happy about it. If the owner like to drive like a maniac, turbo engine usually will not last long compare to normal N/A engine.
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 15 2020, 10:56 AM)
Depending on how the owner take care of it's ride. Like the diesel 508 owner i met before, he is happy with it's ride comfort, great fuel economy, high torque and easy maintenance of the diesel engine. Anyway he only pump Euro5 diesel fuel, that why no issue yet from the emission system (catalytic converter) even after 200k.

A lot of direct injection (Petrol or diesel) engine require good quality fuel to reduce the injector & emission system from failure and in the past if petrol version you need at least Ron97 above for Euro4 standard. But now i think no much issue for Ron95 as starting 2020 already Euro4 standard also.

For the carbon intake issue, all modern direct injection system engine will encounter. If want to be cheapskate can just buy valve cleaner and spray on the valves or intake. They are few videos doing this via youtube. My mechanic usually just open the intake manifold, spray with the cleaner and let it soak in few minutes before cleaning it and suck out the dirty stuff. 

Yes, turbo engine tent to have more maintenance in term of seals, hose and gasket due to high heat & pressure it need to produce to get the high power. That why a lot of people hype about modern turbo engine, but once warranty out most mechanics will be very happy about it. If the owner like to drive like a maniac, turbo engine usually will not last long compare to normal N/A engine.
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Nowadays, most downsize engine with turbocharger are created for efficiency, not high power. The torque is higher because the engine is able to extract more work out of small cc engine. Drive like one normally would, then there is no issue with the engine, but if one drive like they owned a supercar and rev high up near the red zone, the engine will kaput soon.

Fuel is also another issue, most EU engines are Euro 5 or 6 compliant now, but our fuel in Malaysia is still one or two generation behind, only recently RON95 Euro 4M, and diesel Euro 5 but not widely available. This is why continental cars are less reliable than Japanese cars, because most Japanese cars sold in Malaysia are still using those very old engine, like Honda 1.8L, which is Euro 4 standard only. Due to the low fuel standard in Malaysia, carbon deposit cleaner should be use more often, every 5,000km. The purpose of using carbon deposit cleaner is not to clean the intake valve, but to clean the injector ports so that the nozzle don't get clogged, resulting in a poor spray pattern which promotes pre-detonation/knocking and create even more sooting/carbon deposits, the vicious cycle.
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FYI, i knew a few owners still driving E60.
BMW service center does recommend them to change the transmission during 60k, not sure if your service center did not inform you about it or miss-inform.  biggrin.gif
The so call "lifetime" is just to let new owner fuzz free of no need to change fluid transmission during the warranty limit of 3 years or 60k. After that is your own already if the gearbox got any problem..  tongue.gif
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Huh? You sure? BMW doesnt allow changing transmission fluid. I've enquired before. So after lesson learned from the E60, for my newer bimmer I changed it at 3rd party workshop when it hit 60k. If they found out, they can void my warranty though.

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PUG lovers will say ' Oh its ok!! I dont believe all these fake news above! '. PUG lovers are a different kind of mentality. Cant reason with them...no matter what you say or showed proof to them not to buy PUG. I know...cos I tried really hard to convince my good friends not to buy PUG....but they mati2 refused to listen. OK la...so they bought PUG. After less than 1 year je...they sold! hahaha.... cannot tahan the maintenance and the car kept on rosak here rosak there rosak everywhere. Damn frust too...cos the spare parts damn blady mahal too. YAY! rclxm9.gif
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Actually owning a pug is a love-hate relation. I actually quite like the 508, but it caused me too much trouble. Spent easily 10k to solve all the problems, and it was working fine. But every time I drive it, I'll wonder what's gonna break next. Already lose confidence in the car
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Nowadays, most downsize engine with turbocharger are created for efficiency, not high power. The torque is higher because the engine is able to extract more work out of small cc engine. Drive like one normally would, then there is no issue with the engine, but if one drive like they owned a supercar and rev high up near the red zone, the engine will kaput soon.

Fuel is also another issue, most EU engines are Euro 5 or 6 compliant now, but our fuel in Malaysia is still one or two generation behind, only recently RON95 Euro 4M, and diesel Euro 5 but not widely available. This is why continental cars are less reliable than Japanese cars, because most Japanese cars sold in Malaysia are still using those very old engine, like Honda 1.8L, which is Euro 4 standard only. Due to the low fuel standard in Malaysia, carbon deposit cleaner should be use more often, every 5,000km. The purpose of using carbon deposit cleaner is not to clean the intake valve, but to clean the injector ports so that the nozzle don't get clogged, resulting in a poor spray pattern which promotes pre-detonation/knocking and create even more sooting/carbon deposits, the vicious cycle.
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It is not due to low fuel standard for carbon deposit in gdi engine or direct injection. It is a design flaws as fuel (with additive) did not flow thru the valve. Eventually it make carbon deposit as no cleaner from fuel works there.

The gdi carbon deposit is happened to all model does matter pump in best fuel in market on not. So far few manufacturers as Toyota and vw had implement the dual port + direct injection to their engine. This prevents the problem of carbon deposit as fuel with cleaner will pass thru the valve etc.

Regarding on fuel euro, it subject to sulfur level etc. For cleaning purpose, it 100% depending on the brand fuel additive from the fuel.

The Euro4m vs euro2 last time only make the exhaust gas less dangerous to the environment, it did not make your engine parts cleaner etc, as that the additive function from the fuel.

The Euro standard determine from the manufacturer are mostly depends on the market they wanna penetrate in. For example a Japanese model are mostly tuned to as low as ron92 as some countries in South East Asia still using that grade.

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It is not due to low fuel standard for carbon deposit in gdi engine or direct injection. It is a design flaws as fuel (with additive) did not flow thru the valve. Eventually it make carbon deposit as no cleaner from fuel works there.

The gdi carbon deposit is happened to all model does matter pump in best fuel in market on not.  So far few manufacturers as Toyota and vw had implement the dual port + direct injection to their engine. This prevents the problem of carbon deposit as fuel with cleaner will pass thru the valve etc.

Regarding on fuel euro, it subject to sulfur level etc. For cleaning purpose, it 100% depending on the brand fuel additive from the fuel.

The Euro4m vs euro2 last time only make the exhaust gas less dangerous to the environment, it did not make your engine parts cleaner etc, as that the additive function from the fuel.

The Euro standard determine from the manufacturer are mostly depends on the market they wanna penetrate in. For example a Japanese model are mostly tuned to as low as ron92 as some countries in South East Asia still using that grade.
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Euro 2 vs. Euro 5, use Euro 2 in a Euro 5 or 6 engine, more sooting/black smoke, those with EGR, clog lo.

Most cars can run with minimum RON 91, some cars have minimum RON 95 or 98 due to the design of the engine or the purpose of the car (pocket rocket or high performance car), but the fuel quality, i.e. Euro 2M, 4M, 5, 6 do makes a difference on the reliability of a car.

Why most continental diesel cars failed prematurely in Malaysia before the introduction of Euro 5 diesel? It is due to the poor Euro 2M fuel we are using and the Euro 5 compliant engine continental cars are using. Don't get fooled by those salesman saying it is "downtune" to suit our fuel quality.

Also, the engine oil also matter now. Small engine turbocharged cars should use API SN PLUS engine oil now to reduce low speed preignition (LSPI) or low rpm high load engine knocking, causing piston cracking.

Carbon buildup on valve is also due to the vapour from engine oil reintroduced into the intake thru PCV, older oil spec is not as stringent as the latest oil spec, hence oil is more readily vapourised and stuck on the high temperature intake valve as carbon deposits.

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Huh? You sure? BMW doesnt allow changing transmission fluid. I've enquired before. So after lesson learned from the E60, for my newer bimmer I changed it at 3rd party workshop when it hit 60k. If they found out, they can void my warranty though.
Actually owning a pug is a love-hate relation. I actually quite like the 508, but it caused me too much trouble. Spent easily 10k to solve all the problems, and it was working fine. But every time I drive it, I'll wonder what's gonna break next. Already lose confidence in the car
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I forget to take a picture, last i met a E60 owner he does shown me the service booklet and it does shown the service recommendation for the 3rd year 60k mileage with transmission fluid and also with the filter change. If not mistaken from Auto Bavaria.
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Actually owning a pug is a love-hate relation. I actually quite like the 508, but it caused me too much trouble. Spent easily 10k to solve all the problems, and it was working fine. But every time I drive it, I'll wonder what's gonna break next. Already lose confidence in the car
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Good to see there are some down to earth and honest pug owners here who are not scared of telling the truth.
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I see , however somehow I feel Toyota too mainstream and not very exciting and very good resale value , no doubt it’s well known for its reliability though
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QUOTE(ctw88 @ Apr 15 2020, 03:45 PM)

Actually owning a pug is a love-hate relation. I actually quite like the 508, but it caused me too much trouble. Spent easily 10k to solve all the problems, and it was working fine. But every time I drive it, I'll wonder what's gonna break next. Already lose confidence in the car
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Hi there i agree to this statement. Got a pug back when i was in uni days back in 2011. Mine is 207 sedan. The car is a great drive but every month enters workshop when it was brand new. First month brake issues. Second month electrical issue for the aircond and head unit(not fixed). Gearbox issue(swapped under warranty). Engine swapped due to head block problem(replaced under warranty). Aircond coolant leaking into passenger compartment 2 months before warranty ends(service didnt want to replace for me). The car very rare to be used after i started working since company provided car. But need to enter workshop every month too cause parts order the first month only 2 month parts arrive.

The car engine caught fire which took nearly 6 months to repair lucky it was stopped immediately but damaged already done. Want to trade with pug 308 after 5 years of use they offered me only 6k. I said no and bought a subaru which came with better offer.

The car have not been used much since then. Last year replaced ecu cost me rm6k. During replacing of the ecu, service advisor told me alternator got problem which actually caused the fire and also the ecu to fail. This is a known issue to pug owners around the world. Till today havent replace the alternator since my dad said he want to repair the alternator.

If you are wondering why i'm still keeping the car well my dad doesn't want to sell or trade the car for a better car.

Good thing about this car you can learn all the issue you can face within a brand. Bad thing its not reliable car and its a money pit. I'm talking the lowest end of pug here not yet the high end yet.

508 looks good but think again are you willing to spend money and time for a car most of the time will not be on the road. I have met all kinds of pug owners during my ownership of the car. since i spent most of days in the pug service center repairing my car. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif :

only issue different than mine is they had a blown out turbo which was under warranty but service center didn't want to replace. Service center didn't want to replace cause they consider the item falls under wear and tear. No idea what happen after that.

if you ask me, when its on a good day the drive is fun but when its bad day pray hard to have cash at hand and make sure this is not the main car that you have.
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my cousin has one. he miskin already because car always go workshop every month. don't play play la with pijot. i told him don't buy. he bought 1 cause car price cheap. now he ragret spare part so expensive.
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I have a 2013 508 and have been using it for around 4 years now. First things first, the authorized service center sucks! If you car is not under warranty, I highly suggest servicing outside. Secondly, there are a few items which are being recalled (high pressure pump, timing chain, etc) so pls check if it has already been done by calling up the service center.

I have been servicing my car regularly every 9-10k km's and the ATF and every 40k km and so far I have not had any issues.

Some have been complaining about price or spare parts, but i personally think it's not that bad. The price of servicing the transmission oil is about rm350. Try comparing that to other continental cars like Volkswagen.
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Mazda follow that bs practice.
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QUOTE(jags @ Apr 18 2020, 06:26 PM)
I have a 2013 508 and have been using it for around 4 years now. First things first, the authorized service center sucks! If you car is not under warranty, I highly suggest servicing outside. Secondly, there are a few items which are being recalled (high pressure pump, timing chain, etc) so pls check if it has already been done by calling up the service center.

I have been servicing my car regularly every 9-10k km's and the ATF and every 40k km and so far I have not had any issues.

Some have been complaining about price or spare parts, but i personally think it's not that bad. The price of servicing the transmission oil is about rm350. Try comparing that to other continental cars like Volkswagen.
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Just not fair to compare transmission oil of DSG vs normal torque converter, obviously dct gear oil/L are more expensive.

Not sure as many Peugeot suffer from many parts failed which sometimes wonder it is really a design flaws or parts quality itself. One example i know one owner had his wiper control module k.o, cannot engaged wiper and need about close to rm2k replacement.

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QUOTE(jags @ Apr 18 2020, 06:26 PM)
I have a 2013 508 and have been using it for around 4 years now. First things first, the authorized service center sucks! If you car is not under warranty, I highly suggest servicing outside. Secondly, there are a few items which are being recalled (high pressure pump, timing chain, etc) so pls check if it has already been done by calling up the service center.

I have been servicing my car regularly every 9-10k km's and the ATF and every 40k km and so far I have not had any issues.

Some have been complaining about price or spare parts, but i personally think it's not that bad. The price of servicing the transmission oil is about rm350. Try comparing that to other continental cars like Volkswagen.
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Trust me on this, VW is much easier to maintain compared to Peugeot sweat.gif

My peugeot has been in and out of workshop for few times every month since oct 2019. The VW last workshop visit was July 2019.

Once the MCO ends immediately the Peugeot needs to be towed to workshop to have it worked on, VW also have to visit workshop as well but only some issue that does not immobilise the car and still can be used now during mco period.

PS: VW can get many quality OEM parts, Peugeot not so much, u have to stick to the originals

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Trust me on this, VW is much easier to maintain compared to Peugeot sweat.gif

My peugeot has been in and out of workshop for few times every month since oct 2019. The VW last workshop visit was July 2019.

Once the MCO ends immediately the Peugeot needs to be towed to workshop to have it worked on, VW also have to visit workshop as well but only some issue that does not immobilise the car and still can be used now during mco period.

PS: VW can get many quality OEM parts, Peugeot not so much, u have to stick to the originals
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Heard that Peugeot and workshop always come along lots of problem will rise one after another and their maintenance ain't cheap either
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I've a friend that was a Peugeot owner, never seen his car before everytime we went out for a drink, btw he bought a secondhand Peugeot he said it's cheap so why not

End up selling it at a loss including maintenance throughout his ownership
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Heard that Peugeot and workshop always come along lots of problem will rise one after another and their maintenance ain't cheap either
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The newer generation ones are ok. The first generation ones with the thp engine are not
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The newer generation ones are ok. The first generation ones with the thp engine are not
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Fuh ,pijot dun play play . I got owned 3 pijot . The one with thp engine is the worst one. Same engine with 508

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stay away from peugeot. honest warning from 207 & 508 owner. haha
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Good to see there are some down to earth and honest pug owners here who are not scared of telling the truth.
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Among the cars that you advised not the buy are Korean makes. May I know why?
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Hi Mr Kenshin, end up what car you are getting?

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The cars that smart people avoid buying in Malaysia: AUDI, VW, CITROEN, PEUGEOT, RENAULT, KOREAN CARS.

Be Smart. Dont be stupid.
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They say also VOLVO.
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Among the cars that you advised not the buy are Korean makes. May I know why?
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lousy engineering! parts cant last long. Parts damn blardy Mahal! and well known to rosak very frequently compared to Jap cars.Only silly people will buy Korean cars. however, those who bought Korean cars will never buy another korean car again cos trauma d hahaha.

If you dont believe...go ask your friends who own a korean car. Dont listen to anyone in car forums. You have to ask people you know personally then only you will belip me.

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They say also VOLVO.
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Yes VOLVO...but only those that are FWD. The RWD are not as teruk as you think.
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QUOTE(masahito @ Apr 18 2020, 02:47 AM)
my cousin has one. he miskin already because car always go workshop every month. don't play play la with pijot. i told him don't buy. he bought 1 cause car price cheap. now he ragret spare part so expensive.
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Dah la we susah payah tell them dont buy pijot....they mati2 degil macam kerbau tak nak dengar. Ok la...jadi bila kerbau itu dah beli ... menyesal gila la sbb keta kerap break down....kerap kena tow....parts gila mahal.... habis gaji setiap bulan utk repair Pijot yg tak berguna.

Takpe. As they say: there is always a sucker born every minute! rclxms.gif
Kalau nak beli Pijot..... BELI! Jangan Tak BELI!!! thumbup.gif

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Just wonder why some people buy peug at the first plaace...allured by huge discout? Ride quality?
Buying without done the homework?
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QUOTE(empire @ Jul 21 2020, 04:46 PM)
lousy engineering! parts cant last long. Parts damn blardy Mahal! and well known to rosak very frequently compared to Jap cars.Only silly people will buy Korean cars. however, those who bought Korean cars will never buy another korean car again cos trauma d hahaha.

If you dont believe...go ask your friends who own a korean car.  Dont listen to anyone in car forums. You have to ask people you know personally then only you will belip me.
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Funny, cos I own a Korean car. A Hyundai Elantra MD (2010-2016 model) to be exact. I have not experienced any of the problems you described. Am I an exception to the norm? Have you owned a Korean car before?

Even funnier, I'm waiting for the latest Kia Sorento to hit our shore as my family is getting bigger. Something something owners of Korean cars would never consider another Korean car, right?

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Dulu Jiran I ada 508. Not direct jiran la....cos his house is 5 houses after my house....but I always chat with him whenever I see him at the padang.

Tak habis2 508 problem. Every few weeks ada saja new problem with his 508. Within 1 year, he sent his car to workshop more than 10 times to repair...bukan utk service tau...tapi utk REPAIR! Pernah OVERHEAT 2 kali di tengah jalan...once kat Duke Highway (radiator tak bocor tapi water pump konk)...and second time 4 months later kat LDP. The second time keta langsung tak boleh jalan sbb Radiator dah bocor dan OVERHEAT like mad. Jadi kena tow!

In that 1 year he spent more than RM 16,000 for repair. HAHAHA..... gilaaaaaa. Thats how I know how teruk Pijot is.

Takpe....kalau dah berkenan dgn Pijot...BELI LA PIJOT!!! BUY BUY BUY!!! PIJOT... the best car in the world hahahaha.

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consider a Mercedes w211 e200 kompressor model (2007~2009)

it has a comfort, build quality of a tank, prestige, reasonable maintenance cost (if well taken care) and not to mention, tons of spare parts availability.
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Better take w211 E230. Kinda last batch b4 w212 come in. Engine wise 2.5 Na V6 200++hp. Consider great back then and resolved all problem from all w211 model in this last batch
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At least owning a Mercedes wont make you suffer like owning a Pijot.
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