1st batch 508 owner here. Sold it in 2016.

First few years its ok, good to drive. Nice, comfy and just enough power. 5th year onwards, is where the headache starts.

1) HPFP failure at 70k mileage. 2.2k to replace
2) carbon deposit on the intake valves at 60k mileage. when this happens, you get the infamous limp mode
3) power window failure. when it fail, it really fail and straight fall into the door. No way to pull it up, if it happens when it's raining, good luck
4) one of the side mirror always go beyond stopping point. it smashes into the window when close, and flip all the way to the outside when open
5) keyless entry sensor start going haywire 1 by 1. There's 1 on each door. 700 bucks to replace each, and 700 haven't include painting the handle
6) catalytic converter failure due to our poor fuel quality
7) valve cover leaking oil on 2nd year - changed the valve cover + gasket under warranty
8) PCV hose leaking oil on 1st year - changed o-ring in the PCV hose
9) coolant leaking at the turbo - changed o-ring under warranty
10) head-unit screen randomly not starting or rebooting
11) inside door handle rubber coating starting to turn green and peeling
12) battery dies every 1-2 years.
13) direction headlamp failure - fixed under warranty

That's all i can recall for now. I got a letter from naza after i sold the car for some recall replacement and also extended warranty to 7 years i think

I wonder if this part of the PLANNED OBSOLETE by most car manufacturers? After 5 years warranty ends, for sure got problems here & there.

Dailo, which brand car parts wont fail after 5 years ?

Actually, my bimmers seem to be doing better. HPFP still running strong despite higher mileage

I dont expect things like side mirror, power window, keyless access to go crazy.

Leaks probably unavoidable. My 11 year old bimmer, just changed valve cover gasket and oil pan gasket. Spotted oil stain around the oil filter housing. Probably time to change the gasket as well. But then it's 5 years vs 11 years

I would say actually both BMW & Peugeot are on par on what they need to replace after 5 years

Comparing the E60 to 508, ermm, the E60 needs lesser parts change in the same 5 years window. The major part changed for the E60 is actually the gearbox, which hasnt got it's transmission fluid changed before. So BMW's claim that it's "lifetime" transmission fluid is BS

Mazda follow that bs practice.

FYI, i knew a few owners still driving E60.
BMW service center does recommend them to change the transmission during 60k, not sure if your service center did not inform you about it or miss-inform.
The so call "lifetime" is just to let new owner fuzz free of no need to change fluid transmission during the warranty limit of 3 years or 60k. After that is your own already if the gearbox got any problem..

Related to mercedes w211 back then, it comes with seal for life gb oil. But when went to mercedes specialist, perform the gb oil flush & change, the effect was great vs existing oil around 60k km.

This post has been edited by ayamxxx: Apr 14 2020, 03:20 PM

i think most of the car nowadays claim lifetime, i am hving altis 2009 also mentioned lifetime wo but i change every 50k

PUG lovers will say ' Oh its ok!! I dont believe all these fake news above! '. PUG lovers are a different kind of mentality. Cant reason with them...no matter what you say or showed proof to them not to buy PUG. I know...cos I tried really hard to convince my good friends not to buy PUG....but they mati2 refused to listen. OK la...so they bought PUG. After less than 1 year je...they sold! hahaha.... cannot tahan the maintenance and the car kept on rosak here rosak there rosak everywhere. Damn frust too...cos the spare parts damn blady mahal too. YAY!

This post has been edited by empire: Apr 14 2020, 08:33 PM

Depending on how the owner take care of it's ride. Like the diesel 508 owner i met before, he is happy with it's ride comfort, great fuel economy, high torque and easy maintenance of the diesel engine. Anyway he only pump Euro5 diesel fuel, that why no issue yet from the emission system (catalytic converter) even after 200k.

A lot of direct injection (Petrol or diesel) engine require good quality fuel to reduce the injector & emission system from failure and in the past if petrol version you need at least Ron97 above for Euro4 standard. But now i think no much issue for Ron95 as starting 2020 already Euro4 standard also.

For the carbon intake issue, all modern direct injection system engine will encounter. If want to be cheapskate can just buy valve cleaner and spray on the valves or intake. They are few videos doing this via youtube. My mechanic usually just open the intake manifold, spray with the cleaner and let it soak in few minutes before cleaning it and suck out the dirty stuff.

Yes, turbo engine tent to have more maintenance in term of seals, hose and gasket due to high heat & pressure it need to produce to get the high power. That why a lot of people hype about modern turbo engine, but once warranty out most mechanics will be very happy about it. If the owner like to drive like a maniac, turbo engine usually will not last long compare to normal N/A engine.

Nowadays, most downsize engine with turbocharger are created for efficiency, not high power. The torque is higher because the engine is able to extract more work out of small cc engine. Drive like one normally would, then there is no issue with the engine, but if one drive like they owned a supercar and rev high up near the red zone, the engine will kaput soon.

Fuel is also another issue, most EU engines are Euro 5 or 6 compliant now, but our fuel in Malaysia is still one or two generation behind, only recently RON95 Euro 4M, and diesel Euro 5 but not widely available. This is why continental cars are less reliable than Japanese cars, because most Japanese cars sold in Malaysia are still using those very old engine, like Honda 1.8L, which is Euro 4 standard only. Due to the low fuel standard in Malaysia, carbon deposit cleaner should be use more often, every 5,000km. The purpose of using carbon deposit cleaner is not to clean the intake valve, but to clean the injector ports so that the nozzle don't get clogged, resulting in a poor spray pattern which promotes pre-detonation/knocking and create even more sooting/carbon deposits, the vicious cycle.

Huh? You sure? BMW doesnt allow changing transmission fluid. I've enquired before. So after lesson learned from the E60, for my newer bimmer I changed it at 3rd party workshop when it hit 60k. If they found out, they can void my warranty though.

Actually owning a pug is a love-hate relation. I actually quite like the 508, but it caused me too much trouble. Spent easily 10k to solve all the problems, and it was working fine. But every time I drive it, I'll wonder what's gonna break next. Already lose confidence in the car

It is not due to low fuel standard for carbon deposit in gdi engine or direct injection. It is a design flaws as fuel (with additive) did not flow thru the valve. Eventually it make carbon deposit as no cleaner from fuel works there.

The gdi carbon deposit is happened to all model does matter pump in best fuel in market on not. So far few manufacturers as Toyota and vw had implement the dual port + direct injection to their engine. This prevents the problem of carbon deposit as fuel with cleaner will pass thru the valve etc.

Regarding on fuel euro, it subject to sulfur level etc. For cleaning purpose, it 100% depending on the brand fuel additive from the fuel.

The Euro4m vs euro2 last time only make the exhaust gas less dangerous to the environment, it did not make your engine parts cleaner etc, as that the additive function from the fuel.

The Euro standard determine from the manufacturer are mostly depends on the market they wanna penetrate in. For example a Japanese model are mostly tuned to as low as ron92 as some countries in South East Asia still using that grade.

This post has been edited by ayamxxx: Apr 15 2020, 04:10 PM

Euro 2 vs. Euro 5, use Euro 2 in a Euro 5 or 6 engine, more sooting/black smoke, those with EGR, clog lo.

Most cars can run with minimum RON 91, some cars have minimum RON 95 or 98 due to the design of the engine or the purpose of the car (pocket rocket or high performance car), but the fuel quality, i.e. Euro 2M, 4M, 5, 6 do makes a difference on the reliability of a car.

Why most continental diesel cars failed prematurely in Malaysia before the introduction of Euro 5 diesel? It is due to the poor Euro 2M fuel we are using and the Euro 5 compliant engine continental cars are using. Don't get fooled by those salesman saying it is "downtune" to suit our fuel quality.

Also, the engine oil also matter now. Small engine turbocharged cars should use API SN PLUS engine oil now to reduce low speed preignition (LSPI) or low rpm high load engine knocking, causing piston cracking.

Carbon buildup on valve is also due to the vapour from engine oil reintroduced into the intake thru PCV, older oil spec is not as stringent as the latest oil spec, hence oil is more readily vapourised and stuck on the high temperature intake valve as carbon deposits.

This post has been edited by RicoT: Apr 15 2020, 05:26 PM

I forget to take a picture, last i met a E60 owner he does shown me the service booklet and it does shown the service recommendation for the 3rd year 60k mileage with transmission fluid and also with the filter change. If not mistaken from Auto Bavaria.

Good to see there are some down to earth and honest pug owners here who are not scared of telling the truth.

Now you are at the peak of making money. Wait till you got kids then you will value reliability rather then gaya.

Hi there i agree to this statement. Got a pug back when i was in uni days back in 2011. Mine is 207 sedan. The car is a great drive but every month enters workshop when it was brand new. First month brake issues. Second month electrical issue for the aircond and head unit(not fixed). Gearbox issue(swapped under warranty). Engine swapped due to head block problem(replaced under warranty). Aircond coolant leaking into passenger compartment 2 months before warranty ends(service didnt want to replace for me). The car very rare to be used after i started working since company provided car. But need to enter workshop every month too cause parts order the first month only 2 month parts arrive.

The car engine caught fire which took nearly 6 months to repair lucky it was stopped immediately but damaged already done. Want to trade with pug 308 after 5 years of use they offered me only 6k. I said no and bought a subaru which came with better offer.

The car have not been used much since then. Last year replaced ecu cost me rm6k. During replacing of the ecu, service advisor told me alternator got problem which actually caused the fire and also the ecu to fail. This is a known issue to pug owners around the world. Till today havent replace the alternator since my dad said he want to repair the alternator.

If you are wondering why i'm still keeping the car well my dad doesn't want to sell or trade the car for a better car.

Good thing about this car you can learn all the issue you can face within a brand. Bad thing its not reliable car and its a money pit. I'm talking the lowest end of pug here not yet the high end yet.

508 looks good but think again are you willing to spend money and time for a car most of the time will not be on the road. I have met all kinds of pug owners during my ownership of the car. since i spent most of days in the pug service center repairing my car. :

only issue different than mine is they had a blown out turbo which was under warranty but service center didn't want to replace. Service center didn't want to replace cause they consider the item falls under wear and tear. No idea what happen after that.

if you ask me, when its on a good day the drive is fun but when its bad day pray hard to have cash at hand and make sure this is not the main car that you have.