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gooroojee
post Mar 31 2020, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(diversity @ Mar 31 2020, 12:45 PM)
Anyone can clarify on this? Assuming no additional charges comes from prepayment on 7th month
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If you immediately dump all your monthly moratorium savings back into your loan on month 7 day 1 to reduce loan principal (net debt) then you will bring the loan principal back down to where it would have been if you never did anything, plus or minus pocket change.

There is a difference between a non-compounded interest accrued when you opt for moratorium, and a compounded interest savings made when you opt out and keep paying (because your month 2-6 interest will be lower and lower as you pay off principal). The difference is pocket change.

Also, putting your monthly moratorium savings into FD at 3% might give you an offsetting pocket income against above pocket change.

For a RM500,000 outstanding principal, we're talking about less than RM100 nett difference.

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post Mar 31 2020, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(sewjin @ Mar 31 2020, 12:13 PM)
I have a home loan with AmBank and I'm looking to continue making my repayment during the moratorium period. From my conversation with the call centre, they assured me two things if I did so:

1. The payment made during the moratorium period will 100% go to reducing principal.

2. For each payment made, there is no need to advise the bank to have the payment go into reducing principal. Everything will be automated during the moratorium. I had to clarify this because in the past when I do put additional cash into my home loan, they will just treat it as pre-payment instead of reducing the principal. So I had to give the bank a call to instruct them to have the cash reduce my principal.

To be honest, I'm quite sceptical of his answer. I'll make my payment tomorrow (1st Apr) via AmOnline and see if points (1) and (2) hold true. Anyone here has a home loan with AmBank and also thinking of continuing their payment during the moratorium period? Are you guys getting the same info as well?
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This depends on your bank loan contract terms. if contract states you need to inform bank whenever you want to pre-pay to reduce principal, then you must, or otherwise it just sits there doing nothing until it's deducted against your next scheduled payment. This is standard procedure in most banks.

Flexi loans usually don't need notice.
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post Mar 31 2020, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(Jenn77 @ Mar 31 2020, 01:23 PM)
For HP must apply. Approval subject to case to case basis.
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for HP also auto apply to all. BNM announcement override all previous bank announcements.
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post Mar 31 2020, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(diversity @ Mar 31 2020, 10:32 PM)
but lets say if you dont opt for the moratorium.

and you continue paying your unchanged monthly installment for the remaining loan tenure (apart from movements in OPR) just for an additional 6 months, how would you pay extra?

sorry for asking so much, I'm just very curious  rclxub.gif
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Sorry I don't get you question.

If you don't opt for the moratorium, then nothing changes, of course.
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post Mar 31 2020, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(diversity @ Mar 31 2020, 10:46 PM)
sorry my bad. I mean if you opt for the moratorium, and you just continue paying every month until the end of the loan tenor.

assuming the monthly loan installment remains constant apart from movements in OPR, you would still pay essentially the same number of months and amount.

so how would you pay extra if you opt in?

as per my understanding, the interest accrue will not be compounded so the interest will be added into the principal balance, hence the longer tenure is necessary to pay longer.
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If you opt in.. the bank has two ways to cater to your higher loan amount now... They can increase monthly payment amount, increase your loan tenure, or both.

You cannot take the moratorium, get charged 6 months of interest, and expect to still maintain monthly amount and loan tenure.
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post Mar 31 2020, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(diversity @ Mar 31 2020, 11:23 PM)
yup, so RHB is doing the latter which is to increase tenor.

extracted based on their website:

What would happen to my loan/financing after the moratorium period?

Will I need to pay more interest/profit after the moratorium period is over?
Is there an increase in monthly payments, or longer tenure?
The monthly instalment/payment amount will remain unchanged after the deferment period. However, the monthly instalment/payment will be adjusted should there be any revision of the Bank’s reference rates (i.e. Base Rate/Base Lending Rate/Base Financing Rate) for variable rate loan/financing.

You will continue paying the same monthly instalment/payment1 with an additional tenure of 6 months2.

You may also contact us after the moratorium period if you want to arrange for other suitable payment plans that you can afford such as increased instalment/payment or further tenure extension2.

Applicable to Home Financing, Property Financing and ASB Financing:
1The monthly instalment/payments will first be allocated to pay off the deferred interest/profit. Payment will only be subsequently allocated to reduce the principal balance once all outstanding interest/profit has been paid. 2Extension of tenure is subject to the maximum loan/financing tenure of 35 years for home financing.


That's why from the above you don't really lose out much even if you opt in for the moratorium apart from movements in the OPR. The only argument people are saying now is that if you're not short of cash, why not pay now while the BLR is so low.

But apart from the BLR savings which to me is marginal, you don't really pay ADDITIONAL interest per say. Of course after the deferment your 7th and 8th month payments will predominantly used to settle interest, so your principal amount won't touch much.
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Interesting. RHB wants to collect on all the accrued interest from the moratorium first, from month 7 onwards, before resuming your normal loan amortisation and principal reduction again.

I cannot imagine how this can work for someone who just started their loan and a large portion of their monthly payment goes to servicing interest..... In month 7, not only do you have to pay off the accrued interest, But you also have the month 7 interest to pay off as well...

Best to call up your RHB banker to clarify. My assumption is still that they increase monthly payment or extend loan tenure for as long as it takes to fully pay off the loan.
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post Apr 1 2020, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Apr 1 2020, 01:00 PM)
Given the situation, I honestly doubt the OPR is going to go up in the coming months or even years.

My question is can we opt for the moratorium, but use the amount to just pay down the principal which will lower the overall interest required to be paid. Or would that negate the terms and cancels the moratorium.

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Please ask your bank.. it depends on them..
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post Apr 1 2020, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Apr 1 2020, 03:15 PM)
I have house loan with Hong Leon Islamic,
But I didn’t receive any sms say start April the loan will defer ....
So I still need to pay?
Every month the loan amount will auto deduct from saving account....
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Call bank and ask
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post Apr 1 2020, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Walaoeh! @ Apr 1 2020, 03:58 PM)
Anyone has full flexi home loan with CIMB?
Does the moratorium applicable to full flexi loan or its considered as overdraft?
I did not opt-out, but I found the instalment amount was deducted from my current account linked to this full flexi loan.
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Ask the bank. Each bank do differently.
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post Apr 1 2020, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(CoronaV @ Apr 1 2020, 05:37 PM)
I have loan with public bank. If I choose opt in is it wise decision? I plan use the monthly loan payment to invest.
I'm not sure I understand correctly public bank policy that its just prolong my loan payment to 6 months but loan amount after the interest still the same as mentioned no compounding interest.
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No free lunch. You will be charged non-compounded loan interest every month for 6 months and this amount will be added to your loan for you to slowly pay back, one way or another.

If you don't believe this , call public bank and ask. Why is everyone asking strangers on Lowyat, some who may not even have the correct understanding, rather than asking your banker or bank agent or customer service ?
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post Apr 1 2020, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(CoronaV @ Apr 1 2020, 05:46 PM)
What is non compounded loan interest?
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Your loan got an interest rate.. if your rate is 4% then your interest charged during moratorium is 4% of principal divided 12 months.

Compound interest is interest on your previous interest charged... "Interest on interest"... when it's compounded interest on your saving account it's the same concept... You earn interest on previous interest earned which had increased your total savings each month. Same for your loan, if last month you kena interest at rm1000, then this month your interest would be 4% of (loan principal +1,000), which means every month you get charged even more interest than last month. Non compounded means every month you get charged RM1,000 for 6 months.


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post Apr 3 2020, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(smartinvestor01 @ Apr 3 2020, 03:39 PM)
Due to too many different ideology on the moratarium, i have decided to proceed my loan as usual..

Too many different ideas and views about it which makes things very complicated..
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It is just a decision between hold payment or continue payment... nothing complicated ahahaha
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post Apr 4 2020, 02:11 AM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Apr 3 2020, 10:31 PM)
Ringgit Plus comes out with a guide whether to take or not to take the deferment offer.

Malaysia Bank Moratorium: Why You Should Opt For The 6-Month Deferment For ALL Loans

https://ringgitplus.com/en/blog/loans/malay...sHy5bCveTADVnlg

It's a long article with 3 sections covering different types of credit facility. Happy reading!
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A few times the writer compared apples with oranges.

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That said, it makes sense to still take the deferment and save the money in a fixed deposit with 4% p.a. returns for the next 30 years. If you chose repayment Option 3 in the example above, you will earn a nett amount of RM22,970.51 (after deducing the interest charges in the same timeframe). It may not be much, but hey, this is RM22,970.51 more in your pocket than if you didn’t take the deferment whatsoever.


Up until the last bit where he compared the additional interest paid when taking the moratorium (worth $10k net present value), against the investment returns from taking the 6 months of deferred payments ($14k) and putting it into other investments with an equal 4% return. The writer claims doing the latter gives a better return even when the rate is the same at 4%.

No it's not. That's comparing apples to oranges to grapes.

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post Apr 4 2020, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(skyvisionz @ Apr 4 2020, 03:55 PM)
Guys, i received penangguhan sms from mbb for my hire purchase. If i dun reply, the auto debit payment will postpone also?  Will the penangguhan affect my future loan as i still afford to make the payment currently.
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Yes it's auto. Doesn't affect your future loan.
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post Apr 4 2020, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Apr 4 2020, 06:39 PM)
Are you referring to Option 2 (A) : Pay the same monthly repayment, and extend loan tenure ?
Yes, I don't know how on earth Ringgitplus calculated a "Whopping" 21 months loan tenure extension.
My calculation pointing me to approximately 14 months extension under option 2 (A) in the article.

As to your claim that RHB can do 6 months extension only @ exact same monthly instalment with interest prioritization on the 7th month onwards.....No bro, it's not possible.
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There is a lot of inaccuracies everywhere we look... Sometimes right formula, but wrong interpretation as well.. guess that's why financial advisors get paid for their service
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post Apr 4 2020, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(bubble-tea @ Apr 4 2020, 10:19 PM)
After reading this again, i hope my understanding on the article is correct.

For me, i will opt IN for 6 months deferment with Option 1: Pay the accrued interest in one lump sum after end of 6 deferment period.

Reason is:

1) As mention in the article, eventhough monthly interest is still running, it will not be compounded. So meaning there is no harm that i save up the 6 month cash with me, and have flexibility to use the cash in case of emergency.  (example my monthly fixed loan payment = RM4k, in 6 months i will have RM24k extra cash).

2) If everything are well, I will pay the loan in lumpsum after 6 months (total RM24k). By this method, i will not incur any additional cost or interest on my loan.
So in my opinion, this would be the best way for people that are financially stable but still wants to have a certain flexibility on the loan payment since we do not know what will happen in 6 months time. We might have a job now but who knows after that.

Any sifu please correct me if my understanding is wrong.
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Yes. You can even consider it an extended loan (same as what you get when you refinance to cash out money locked in your property), so there is no rush in paying it back. It's only at a 4% rate and generous repayment terms.
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post Apr 4 2020, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(victorian @ Apr 4 2020, 11:17 PM)
Sorry bro, even though monthly interest is not compounded, the normal interest is still accumulated right? So by not paying for the six months, you are actually accumulating full interest over that six months. Compared to if you continue paying for six months, your principal and interest is reduced.
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This is true. But he is correct too.

if he put the full lump sum back into the loan later on after moratorium, everything goes back to square one.
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post Apr 5 2020, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(diversity @ Apr 4 2020, 11:48 PM)
I finally gotten through RHB CS line. What they told me is exactly the same with what the RHB branch people said...which is also consistent with their publishing in their FAQ.

They reassured that assuming OPR doesn't move and IR remains the same, your monthly repayment is the same and will not increase. Additional 6 months tenor.
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This is only possible if RHB does not impose additional interests for month 7-12, which would be incredibly generous, since they are imposing interest even from month 1-6.

If your monthly repayment is 2k a month and out of that your nterest charges are 1.5k a month, then you accumulate 9k of interest over month 1-6.

If RHB wants you to pay off all interest in month 7-12, leaving your principal untouched, then it can only mean that you need to pay 9k of accrued interest plus 9k more in interest charged during month 7-12. That's 3k per month until all accrued interest is paid off, and then you can go back to your original loan schedule.. same amount, same tenure.

Note: above are rough calculations only to explain the idea.
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post Apr 5 2020, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(victorian @ Apr 5 2020, 12:07 AM)
Umm sorry but back to square one only starting from the seventh months onward right ? There will be a little bit of reducing interest missed during the first six months?

Consider this:

Case 1: continue paying, principal reduced hence interest is reduced every month? At the end of six months, remaining loan is 100k

Case 2: defer paying, principal is not reduced hence full interest is charged every month. At the end of six months, dump lump sum until the loan is 100k

Will the total interest paid over the loan tenure be the same for the two cases?
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The reducing interest is more or less mitigated by the non compounded nature of the moratorium.

Virtually back to square one, mi amigo.
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post Apr 5 2020, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(diversity @ Apr 5 2020, 09:29 AM)
The CS person didn't specifically said that the outstanding interest for the 6 months has to be repaid within 7-12 months...this is a gray area and they only told me the apportionment between interest/principal will be revised to accommodate this. Called again this morning, and RHB still reassured me its merely 6 months extension of tenor.

I recorded the call, saved the PDF copy of the FAQ and T&Cs etc for future reference
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I was quoting your quote from RHB ...

QUOTE(diversity)
Applicable to Home Financing, Property Financing and ASB Financing:
1The monthly instalment/payments will first be allocated to pay off all outstanding interest/profit. Payment will only be subsequently allocated to reduce the principal balance once all outstanding interest/profit has been paid.


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