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post Mar 17 2020, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(Sammie7 @ Mar 17 2020, 10:10 AM)
Not sure man... feel like wasted if let go now  doh.gif ... I still have holding power la... but looking at the market now, macam too late to do anything... but definitely not gonna DCA this fund anymore. I'm going to try SA with lower risk profile.
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post Mar 17 2020, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(BLKH3 @ Mar 12 2020, 08:47 PM)
I will be honest. I struggle to accept volatility.
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Then a Malaysia SmallCap fund is one of the worst choice to imagine. Who recommended this to you? This unit trust is something to mix in when you are holding 90 % Blue Chips from US, Europe, Japan and Korea to create some diversity.

QUOTE(eyerule @ Mar 12 2020, 08:52 PM)
you are looking at unit trust the wrong way. you shouldn't look at it or the charts in short term. look at it longer horizon. 5, 10 years.
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This product is not performing for 20 years already! Same NAV like in 2002, these days maybe even lower. But in 2013 there was a great chance to sell and make a good profit. One needs to manage his unit trust portfolio as active as a stock market portfolio.

But keep in mind the fees! He probably paid a high sales charge and is paying management fee of 1.5 % every year, no matter how bad the product performs.


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post Mar 17 2020, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(David_Yang @ Mar 17 2020, 06:06 PM)
Then a Malaysia SmallCap fund is one of the worst choice to imagine. Who recommended this to you? This unit trust is something to mix in when you are holding 90 % Blue Chips from US, Europe, Japan and Korea to create some diversity.

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My insurance agent. Fuck me, right? I switched to bond fun a few weeks ago but at this stage I lost RM6000 in these 2-3 years.
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post Mar 17 2020, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(Sammie7 @ Mar 16 2020, 09:54 AM)
ah... fellow investor who invested eastspring small cap funds... yes.. very painful to watch the performance nowadays. stay strong.
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Eastspring used to be top growth fund right? Never check but is it doing really badly? Especially after this market crash,..
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post Mar 17 2020, 11:09 PM

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if Eastspring Small Cap is BAD.......
what about the others?



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post Mar 17 2020, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 18 2020, 12:09 AM)
if Eastspring Small Cap is BAD.......
what about the others?
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As I said, Malaysia Small Caps are definitely not a suitable product for the "normal" investor. If you have a portfolio full of US, Europe, Japan, China and Korea stocks, then it can be interesting addition. If a insurance agent sold you this, then I don“t want to know the other stuff he sold you cool2.gif
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post Mar 17 2020, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(BLKH3 @ Mar 17 2020, 09:48 PM)
My insurance agent. Fuck me, right? I switched to bond fun a few weeks ago but at this stage I lost RM6000 in these 2-3 years.
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I think a bond fund is not a good idea. The costs will kill the performance, some will charge you a management fee of up to 1.5% per year!

I also was thinking about this, but when I made my calculations I found that in the end it cannot beat a simple FD promo even these days.
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post Mar 17 2020, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(David_Yang @ Mar 17 2020, 11:17 PM)
As I said, Malaysia Small Caps are definitely not a suitable product for the "normal" investor. If you have a portfolio full of US, Europe, Japan, China and Korea stocks, then it can be interesting addition. If a insurance agent sold you this, then I donĀ“t want to know the other stuff he sold you  cool2.gif
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any idea how many % of this small cap fund that his insurance agent tell him to allocate for his UT portfolio?
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post Mar 17 2020, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(David_Yang @ Mar 17 2020, 11:17 PM)
As I said, Malaysia Small Caps are definitely not a suitable product for the "normal" investor. If you have a portfolio full of US, Europe, Japan, China and Korea stocks, then it can be interesting addition. If a insurance agent sold you this, then I donĀ“t want to know the other stuff he sold you  cool2.gif
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Okay, fine, tell me what fund you invest in then.
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post Mar 18 2020, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(Sammie7 @ Mar 17 2020, 10:10 AM)
Not sure man... feel like wasted if let go now  doh.gif ... I still have holding power la... but looking at the market now, macam too late to do anything... but definitely not gonna DCA this fund anymore. I'm going to try SA with lower risk profile.
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how much you invest?
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post Mar 18 2020, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(BLKH3 @ Mar 18 2020, 12:53 AM)
Okay, fine, tell me what fund you invest in then.
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I am matured investor already, many years not invest in funds.

But I read the quarterly reports of many unit trusts to know what their 10 biggest positions are and how they act.

The advantage of a tiny fish in the market, you can move very fast. While funds are container ships that accelerate and break very slowly.

My current allocation is 40% stocks, 40% cash, 20% FD. FD will always remain at this level, in the next weeks I will probably reduce the cash position to 10% buy re-buying stocks (non Malaysian).

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QUOTE(David_Yang @ Mar 18 2020, 02:52 PM)
I am matured investor already, many years not invest in funds.

But I read the quarterly reports of many unit trusts to know what their 10 biggest positions are and how they act.

The advantage of a tiny fish in the market, you can move very fast. While funds are container ships that accelerate and break very slowly.

My current allocation is 40% stocks, 40% cash, 20% FD. FD will always remain at this level, in the next weeks I will probably reduce the cash position to 10% buy re-buying stocks (non Malaysian).
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thumbup.gif wow,...just 40% in stock?.....when did you start to hold 40% in stock?
can really tahan that level for how long already?
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post Mar 18 2020, 03:23 PM

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Actively managed funds perform worse than passive investing overtime. It has already been proven by academic research.
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post Mar 18 2020, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(David_Yang @ Mar 18 2020, 02:52 PM)
I am matured investor already, many years not invest in funds.
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My current allocation is 40% stocks, 40% cash, 20% FD. FD will always remain at this level, in the next weeks I will probably reduce the cash position to 10% buy re-buying stocks (non Malaysian).
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how long had you been holding on to 40% cash position?
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post Mar 18 2020, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 18 2020, 05:23 PM)
how long had you been holding on to 40% cash position?
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Not so long, last year I still had 70% stocks, 10% cash. But beginning 2020 the stocks exploded so I collected some gains in Samsung, Allianz, Taiwan Semi, Siemens ...

Then with corona I sold some chinese stuff like Alibaba and Tencent.

Certainly should have sold ALL, you always no better later on dry.gif

Now SLOWLY prepare to go in the market again. Only SMALL packet maybe during the next 6 months. Overall should be a good average price in 2020.
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post Mar 18 2020, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(David_Yang @ Mar 18 2020, 06:13 PM)
Not so long, last year I still had 70% stocks, 10% cash. But beginning 2020 the stocks exploded so I collected some gains in Samsung, Allianz, Taiwan Semi, Siemens ...

Then with corona I sold some chinese stuff like Alibaba and Tencent.

Certainly should have sold ALL, you always no better later on dry.gif

Now SLOWLY prepare to go in the market again. Only SMALL packet maybe during the next 6 months. Overall should be a good average price in 2020.
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thanks for sharing...
"....had 70% stocks, 10% cash".....the balance 20% in properties or forex investment or ? notworthy.gif
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post Mar 18 2020, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 18 2020, 07:26 PM)
thanks for sharing...
"....had 70% stocks, 10% cash".....the balance 20% in properties or forex investment or ? notworthy.gif
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No, FD in MYR, CNY and since 2020 also SGD. So, yes can call it forex also, I certainly try to sell MYR when rate is under 4.50 EUR. And sell EUR over 4.80. Worked well in the last years but now the future is unpredictable. So I started to focus on the safe haven SGD.

By the way, today I made a first tiny step back to the buying side, bought some Allianz. Probably to early, the knife is still falling, but the price now is just too attractive to resist. Also very hard not to put the gun in direction of Samsung now brows.gif


 

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