I was looking around and saw Seiko Presage and find the design nice.

However upon looking deeper, notice they are using either 6R15 or 6R35 movement.

Kind of feel the movement is lower grade...

in-house > out-source

trash as in?

6R15 is the medium end movement..

Last time this movement was used in their cheaper watches too.

And a lot of comments that this movement is not really reliable

Yes is trash, don't buy it please.

Stick is DW.

Don't talk like that. I'm being serius.

This is not /k also...

cheaper watches use 4R movement la..

seiko movement is vry reliable....

human nature... for the price you willing to pay, the 6r movement is value for money. Seiko managed to make their names standing along side with swiss brands. well if you dont like the movement, maybe you can upgrade to seiko 9r series? or get some ETA movement

FYI DW is a good watch too, ppl critic them for over charging. but if you really like it, i dont see why not owning DW. I have a DW watch too.

This post has been edited by klthor: Mar 9 2020, 02:32 PM

6R is far below ETA right?

Trash?
...or treasure?

6R15 was used at their lower end cheaper watches previously

i'll take a chronometer ETA movement any day over seiko's unregulated 6R15 even though it is 'out-sourced'

to TS, in my experience having owned a few presages and specifically the SARW041 and SRPB099 I can tell you that they make absolutely great dials, but their movement is so disappointing, particularly the one on the SARW041 where I spent over 4k only to get +20 seconds per day on its 6R27 movement.

this isn't just a problem on the lower to mid tier seikos. even your rm10k seiko can have this issue cause their specs are -10 to +15 seconds per day even on the 8L series. some might say 'ohh that's just the specs but they run better than that most of the time'. yeah the issue here is, you spent RM10k on a watch, but you still get UNREGULATED movements. you can get plenty of chronometer swiss watch for the price mentioned.

my verdict? with seiko now charging stupid price for 'limited edition' releases that are basically different colorway of the same design, i'd say it's going from good to meh now.

If you are really particular about accuracy. Get quartz bluetooth. Casio make lots of those.

have you checked out Grand Seiko? Don't simply call them trash leh...

This post has been edited by lawrencesha: Mar 10 2020, 06:39 AM

why is it when accuracy comes into the equation and especially questioning a mechanical watch's accuracy, the answer is always 'get quartz' 'get atomic clock sync' 'get smartwatch'

it's like implying one can only pick either 'mechanical' or 'accuracy' but not both when it comes to choosing a watch to buy

surely if he can think seiko is trash, he's talking about the regular seikos

i can't think of anyone into watches will be calling grand seiko trash (except for some of their sports bracelet )

You can choose both if you want. A mechanical can be accurate. Just prepared to invest in it. Either time or money.
Especially if you have lots of watches. Some people don't mind setting up the time when they wear their watches, some are lazy/cannot be bothered. After using a mechanical for a month, I returned it back. Because of the +25 sec/day and loose crown and I have lots of other watches to wear. Also most mechanicals are always thicker than their quartz counterpart. There are exceptions like Swiss and miyota movements. Most mechanicals are way beautiful than quartz. There are exceptions though.

There are also brands on aliexpress that uses seiko nh and miyota movements. If you don't mind the brand name. You can get a good homage watch.

I think Seiko did a great job in their marketing esp. the Asian market. They invest on their design, Limited Editions and also jdm made models. In order to maintain competitive pricing they provide you with a reasonable reliable movement. Knowing that most of us carry a smart phone and wrist watch is more on cosmetic purpose only.
Grand Seiko is on another league. Let's hope they don't sacrifice the quality to gain sales volume.

Yes. That's the problem. I was thinking to get a decent one. However I realize that they are using all those 6R15, 6R35, etc.
Unregulated is the keyword here.


Going up further means is closing to the price of a Swiss then no point to get a seiko anymore.


That's why the title of my thread is Seiko not Grand Seiko.


This post has been edited by novblaze: Mar 10 2020, 08:18 AM