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post Oct 22 2020, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(UrbanGraduate @ Oct 22 2020, 02:54 AM)
Is this too high for insurance under 30?

Premium: RM300/month

Coverage amount: RM 100,000
A-Lifelink 2 (Death Benefit): RM 100,000
A-PlusDisabilityCare (TPD): RM 100,000
A-PlusCriticalCare: RM 100,000
Medical Limit: RM 1,500,000 (no lifetime limit)
Deductible: RM 300
R&B: RM 200
Hospital Income: RM 100/day

Should I aim lower?
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If the monthly premium is within your means, I think you should aim higher coverage. You have many more productive years ahead.
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post Oct 22 2020, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(UrbanGraduate @ Oct 22 2020, 02:45 PM)
Currently, my premium is taking up 6% of my overall income. Am targeting just under 5% for protection as I dont think there's high risk. My cash liquidity and savings is generally enough to cover possible issues.

The coverage seems okay, compared to quotes I have at GE. But maybe you guys have better understanding perhaps? Hence why I'm asking here.

It seems that the consensus is that RM200 is good enough for decent coverage.

Plus Im also insured by my employer, on top of SOSCO and my family civil servant family program as my parents are in Gov
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QUOTE(UrbanGraduate @ Oct 22 2020, 03:03 PM)
Yeah thats right, I originally wanted to go term loan for medical card only, got no dependent, sure as heck dont need the investment linked funds (I invest in my own portfolio) but to support the agent and for the convenience of a packaged plan, i am okay with it. I paid special consideration on the exclusions and it seems fair to me.

So yeah, I guess its okay but too late to switch? Just started this year
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If you do enjoy those benefits mentioned, you may want to walk thru in detail with your adviser how best you can scale down to reduce the premium.

QUOTE(eviechu28 @ Oct 22 2020, 04:52 PM)
Alliance agent told me that their policy is one price forever once you sign on it. is it true?

while AIA is term policy so it increase a lot every 3-5yrs, true?
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For AIA, only if you are looking for a yearly renewal, the premium does vary.

QUOTE(edwin1002 @ Oct 22 2020, 06:04 PM)
Any cheapest medical insurance (online or agent) recommend for age around 54 and 60? Coverage of medical can below than 100k
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Online would be cheaper.
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post Oct 26 2020, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(chris2k @ Oct 26 2020, 03:55 AM)
Hi all, I've had Great Protectlink ILP for many years, with Lion Strategic Fund. I've now realised that the performance has been terribly bad and I've actually lost money after so long (double digit percentagewise). If I had put the money even in a savings account, I would've actually made money. Yes, that bad. sad.gif

Could I get some advice on what's the best thing to do right now? Switch to a different fund (which fund)?

Or reduce premium and put it in EPF or something else instead?

My objective is retirement funds. Thanks for your help.
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It would be unwise to just switch funds without knowing it's performance, though past performance is not a guarantee. Maybe your agent can provide you guidance what are the better funds to invest.

Reducing premium may affect your current coverage, you may have to reduce the coverage or cover for a shorter period.
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post Oct 30 2020, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Oct 30 2020, 06:10 PM)
Understand but with the increasing annual premium we have burden paying it

So with the pool of fund at RM30k++ I am thinking why not take out like RM2k per year to ease the burden rather than seeing the pool grow there

And with only RM2k per year we can continue to withdraw to compensate the premium for more than 15 years while the policy is expiring in 10 years++


Thanks!
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Unless I read wrongly, you are implying that you want to withdraw just to top up the increased premium. If that is the case, it may not be necessary. Any shortfall in your premium to pay the monthly/annual Cost of Insurance, will be auto deducted from your 'pool of fund's. That's the basic principle of a investment linked policy, you top up today for tomorrow's increase in cost. Just need to take care, don't run out of the pool of money/cash value before your expiry of the policy.
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post Oct 30 2020, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Oct 30 2020, 08:05 PM)
Yes you got what I wanted to do right

eg. premium now RM5000 and revised to RM5600 in 2021 so I plan to take RM1000 ~ RM2000 from fund depending on how much next year income from other sources

But when I asked the agent the answer is you need to pay the premium as stipulated in the letter of revised premium, no way to change so only can withdraw to use the fund
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Check with your agent again.


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post Nov 1 2020, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(adrianteo @ Nov 1 2020, 07:22 PM)
Hi all,

Not sure if this sounds stupid to ask. I bought an AIA Signature Life insurance last year. Currently planning to get one for my soon to be wife, but apparently AIA has renamed the life insurance to AIA wealth care.

I've been reading this forum closely in regards to ILP and premium. I know that for medical card, premium are revised every now and then even for ILP.

However, I want to know whether the premium for ILP life insurance will be revised like how medical card plans?

Reason being is that my agent told me that unlike medical, life insurance premium is fixed throughout the tenure.

For example, the one I plan to get for my partner is pay 10 years, coverage to 70 years old. And the premium is fixed at x amount for next 10 years.

Will this change?

Many thanks!
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Yes, the premium is fixed for the 10 year period. However the sustainability of the policy till Age 70 depends on the cash value.
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post Nov 7 2020, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 7 2020, 09:25 AM)
at times, some of the details are not or will not be available from the agents/company itself...
ex,.
what will the quantum of each increase?
how long will the increased premium stay (the same) before the next increase?

in the meantime, we consumers should also need to reviews or scale down our "wants" too if we really "afraid/concern" of the inevitable increase that are to come
examples,
the wants of Million dollars coverage
the wants of 100 yrs old coverage
the wants of no need cash up front coverage
the wants of full coverage of all  medical expenses used
the wants of full expenses coverage for all outpatience treatments/follow ups treatment/dialysis and care
etc
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Ya.

RM100 can only buy you a certain coverage. I believe the Adviser tries his best in accommodating your needs for the long term too.
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post Nov 7 2020, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(UnrequitedC @ Nov 7 2020, 05:54 PM)


Another alternative is to have an insurance now with lower premium, less coverage. Anyone got any suggestion?
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If you intend to increase your coverage at a later age, you may be subjected to further underwriting then.

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post Nov 11 2020, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Nov 11 2020, 01:35 PM)
hmm.gif
if you have this preconceived mindset about insurance,
may i suggest that you seriously evaluate and then made up your mind before planning to take up any insurance policy, as insurance is long term commitment (else it may lead to confirmed financial losses)

fyi, you are not alone in thinking that insurance is a waste of money
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QUOTE(T231H @ Nov 11 2020, 01:40 PM)
thumbsup.gif yet there are some that think ......
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There is always 2 sides to a coin, it's how best we can benefit from it.
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post Nov 15 2020, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(hakim182 @ Nov 15 2020, 11:20 AM)
Hey guys, a quick question for the AIA insurance agents - Yesterday I had a brief presentation from an agent and she mentioned that for medical there will be a rm500 deductible. is this normal? I am looking for a comprehensive plan however that focuses more on medical and critical illnesses. Appreciate the reply in advance.
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Yes, deductibles are normal in the industry. You have to pay the amount if you are hospitalized. Helps to reduce the premium.

QUOTE(Nibba @ Nov 15 2020, 03:52 PM)
Is it troublesome? I have never claim my own insurance in accident, so far I always claim other cars insurance
I just pass it to runner aka ahbeng at balai to save the hassle
Can I do the same if I need to claim my own insurance?
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The workshop would normally help to claim your insurance, more so if you sent to the panel.
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post Nov 26 2020, 06:48 AM

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QUOTE(eeesiang @ Nov 25 2020, 07:26 PM)
Appreciate your reply.  notworthy.gif Now I am affirmative with what I need to do. 

I have another question on the qualification of insurance agent and/or financial planner.

I find out that I can look for a registered life insurance agent/financial planner with the following search engines attached:
https://www.liam.org.my/customer_zone/?c=15&ct=2
https://www.fpam.org.my/cfp-members-list/

(1) If any agent/financial planner was not found in this database, does it indicate that they running the business "illegally"?

I encountered an agent self-claimed a "wealth planner" (ain't even financial planner, but I assumed it's probably referring to the same profession),

The agent is holding the title of "CMFA", "MDA" too.
(2) What do the titles signify?
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The insurance agent/ advisor name would appear in the sales illustration. Only if is different name you should worry😁.
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post Nov 27 2020, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(gedebe @ Nov 26 2020, 11:49 PM)
Can anyone confirm the last price hike is 5 or 10 years ago?
The price hike is different from sustainability because the hike affected every insurance company, refer below
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...re-costs-go-up/
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QUOTE(T231H @ Nov 27 2020, 07:51 AM)
Sorry did not answer Yr query,
Was just thinking out loud.  hmm.gif
Why is there a need for price hike if not for the sustainability of the projected coi needed to cover the duration of the policy?  hmm.gif
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Likely, when you bought the policy the COI (current and projected) was lower; and 1. with the increase in medical cost in the last few years 2. probably a higher medical inflation in future and 3. with the needs to comply with new rules on sustainability, warranted the increase in COI and premium; maybe.

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post Nov 27 2020, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Nov 27 2020, 08:50 AM)
So, due to 1 and 2,....the COI need to increase to sustain the policy....PLUS 3 new guidelines....

thus the price hike is related to sustainability and not as "The price hike is different from sustainability because the hike affected every insurance company,"

hmm.gif come to think of it...it could be related partly due to the earlier premium paid...(as you mentioned "when you bought the policy the COI (current and projected)  was lower")
for company A could have charged a higher premium (due to higher COI projection) previously, thus they will do the price "Hike" review 5~10 yrs later while Company B charge lower premium previously thus will need to make price "adjustment" more frequently than Company A.
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Your assumption on Company A and B is likely correct.

Also, the COI and premium, should increase hand in hand, to keep the policy sustained to whatever period you have chosen.
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post Nov 27 2020, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(eeesiang @ Nov 27 2020, 02:31 PM)
Well...it's not exactly different name printed on the policy but rather, I was served by a different person.

The one who attended to me was a clerk of the agency, I kept inquiring for the details of policy which was left unclarified over a long course of insured years.
(Just took over ownership from parent, and my parent is not very keen with handling all the documents)

"Your policy has been quite some time, I will look back and let you know"
More than 3 weeks later, a cover of endorsement letter was sent back to me, which is not helpful at all.
Declaration of additional riders. That's all. I need to know the exact benefits.
I sent in an inquiry to the insurance general email and got exactly what I need in just 3 working days.

After finding difficulties to answer to my queries and my clear intention to restructure my policy, then only she referred me back to the insurance agent (agency owner).
In fact, the name in charged was supposed to be another partner in the agency. But well.
Attempted to be pushy and pitch her products, I still stood on my ground. She referred me back to the clerk to proceed with what I requested.

Following up was a series of product related queries that the clerk was unanswerable for; Just a simple thing, I wanted to know minimal amount of death benefits that I could adjust to, what was the rate like?

"Not sure, we need to try in system how much lower can be reduced"

2 days later, I asked her again.

"Sorry for the delay. System currently busy these few days due to system migration. Will keep u update once i done k"

Walao, at least let me well informed la. Totally fire-fighting style.

What a big waste of both of our times.
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Established insurers like AIA allow you to check online your benefits in their portal. Maybe your insurer does too. The terms of the policy that was sold to your parents many years ago, the new agency staff who answered your call may not be familiar with the policy. Term and conditions vary within products more so after a period of time. If you do not have a copy of the policy book, do obtain one, familiarise what are the benefits. Then you can approach either the agency or customer service what you intent to do with better understanding and what can or cannot be done.



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post Nov 27 2020, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(jeffree bkt @ Nov 27 2020, 08:20 PM)
Hi insurance Sifus,
Recently, i received an email i need top up my premium due to inflation. My insurance under Allianz. Powerlink. I pay montly Rm150.The suggested amount increase by Rm115. 33. Been paying since 2015 Currently 29.
Here my questions.

1) Should i coutinue  pay 150 or fellow d suggested
    amt. My worry is later my cost of insurance will
    getting higher as age is increasing.
   
 
2)Should i surrender d policy?Look for more better ILP within my budget arround

3)or any good advice. Thx n appreciate.
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1. Cost of insurance will increase as you grow older. That is how investment linked insurance is.
2. What you should worry is the quantum of coverage you need and ability to sustain the policy till your chosen age. As suggested, you may review your coverage and riders to better manage the premium you can afford.
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QUOTE(gedebe @ Nov 30 2020, 02:06 AM)
this is so not tally with what my agent has mentioned, do u have any info for the new guideline and how come this report who did not mention abt it:
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...re-costs-go-up/
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Kindly share what your agent has mentioned to you which is different from 1. 2. & 3. that I have mentioned previously.


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post Dec 5 2020, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(den @ Dec 5 2020, 03:36 PM)
Hi, I'm curious on how the premium price is determined. There seems to be no standard reference. Does it mean agent can put a higher price to earn more commission?

Life: 100k
Critical illness: 100k
Accident: 100k
Accident medical: 2k
Medical - room 200, limit 1.38mil p.a, lifetime unlimited
Age 35 => how much would the premium costs roughly?
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There will be a minimum/floor premium based on coverage amount, riders, sustainability, but the premium can be adjusted higher if clients wish to do so.
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post Dec 6 2020, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Dec 5 2020, 06:02 PM)
There will be a minimum/floor premium based on  coverage amount, riders, sustainability, but the premium can be adjusted higher if clients wish to do so.
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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 5 2020, 09:08 PM)
since the normal system quoted price can be "up sized" by 11 from 189 to 200,.....can the same normal system quoted price be "downsized" by 11 from 189 to 178 too?...(like reduced future savings).?
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You can't go below the minimum. If the system has auto generated 189, very likely that would be the minimum.

You can adjust the benefits mentioned above lower to readjust for a lower minimum/floor premium.
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post Dec 6 2020, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Dec 6 2020, 01:40 PM)
Can I downgrade my AIA family takaful plan (the standalone one which cover me + 4 children) to cover me only instead of my whole family. The reason is firstly because of the current economy which is my family also affected. But I planning to take online product which cover pretty much the same coverage for all my children with almost 50% in reduction of premium compared to now. Of course if this is possible I will still go on with current plan + new plan for 4 months before switching in case the 120 days waiting period case happen.
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Though you can downgrade, online products generally offer much lesser benefits than that bought thru agency.

QUOTE(taiping... @ Dec 6 2020, 02:21 PM)
Pls review my thoughts

As of now, i am currently covered sufficiently by my company for medical and life

If i were to retire in the same company at say 60, and then get medical and life, would it b feasible?

What is the premium difference if i bought since 30 and the price of the premium at 60 compared to when i buy at 60?
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You premium will definitely higher compared to someone who has a policy since age 30, as you don't have a buffer ( read cash value) accumulated to support the premium.

The difference? Probably an insurance actuary can provide an answer what premiums would be 30 years from now.
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post Dec 10 2020, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Dec 10 2020, 11:22 AM)
For as low as RM71 per month, Malaysia’s first online combo insurance package offers comprehensive 3-in-1 coverage - Read more: https://www.malaymail.com/news/life/2020/12...package/1930603
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Did a quick check, AIA has a slightly lower COI for the same benefits @ 30 year old non smoking male.

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