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TSsmsid
post Feb 15 2020, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(akemwarhead @ Feb 15 2020, 04:29 PM)
Passive aggressive antivaxx. LOL. If you don't want to get vaxxed. Don't live with other people.
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Again, thank you everyone for proving my point, we got fanatics here who would discriminate anyone who are not align to their believe.
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post Feb 15 2020, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Feb 15 2020, 04:35 PM)
Memang kalau bodoh tu sampai mati jadi bodoh la kot. Sila meninggal
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Itu cadangan ke atau soalan?
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post Feb 15 2020, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Feb 15 2020, 04:41 PM)
hide behind vagueness and obscurity if it makes you safe,  thats the only way you can protect your fragile opinions from  scrutiny.
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Only fools rush in, smart people play safe.

But I would not label myself as intelligent person, caused the proof is right here:









Me replying your post. happy.gif
TSsmsid
post Feb 15 2020, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(YKayz @ Feb 15 2020, 04:51 PM)
Yea la, wait until u get virus ke apa pls don't get vaccine injection ok?  Save the vaccine for other patient. U mati tak apa, but pls dun menyusahkan orang lain by spreading ur delusion thought. Thank You.
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Takde masalah, vaccine untuk virus baru pun belum ada dalam pasaran, kene tunggu 9 hingga 18 bulan, apelah nasib badan.

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post Feb 15 2020, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(akemwarhead @ Feb 15 2020, 05:23 PM)
You think this is discriminate ? Antivaxx endangering other people life. Our government have vaccine record and some antivaxx dare to make false document so their child can go to nursery/school/etc...
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You are blaming other people for your own weak immune system, if the vaccine does work, then you should not need to worry right?

You got to praise their marketing team, instilling fears to the masses is the best way to sell stuff.
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post Feb 15 2020, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(akemwarhead @ Feb 15 2020, 05:35 PM)
This is discriminate. Yes Netflix is entertainment streaming service, but there also many educational series, there even have many documentary film.

Do you think all TV shows is same level ?

There are many educational TV shows. The Doctors (US), Safety First! (North Korea).

Even Malaysia already got, E.g. My Doctors, Siti Aware.

If your do not watch any education show, it does not mean it does not exist.
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Where do you think I get my views? Purely from reading? No

Also you do aware that in U.S most tv program has alot of drug advertisement? Won't be smart to criticise them right? Periuk nasi kene jaga okay.
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post Feb 15 2020, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(akemwarhead @ Feb 15 2020, 05:48 PM)
With all your google experience, you know what vaccine is right

"Vaccines contain a microorganism or virus in a weakened or killed state, or proteins or toxins from the organism."

It's help immune system to prepare for specific disease.
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Will all your google experience, you should know that it is not the ONLY thing they put in vaccine right?
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post Feb 15 2020, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Feb 15 2020, 05:50 PM)
u jus kicked him in the balls

lol
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I'm sorry to disappoint you.
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post Feb 15 2020, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(akemwarhead @ Feb 15 2020, 05:53 PM)
Better seek guidance from the certified professional in this field. If you really wan't to learn, there are many other proper channel like college/university.

This is not like IT field where you can just google/youtube stuff how to/guide for dummy. Try and error. (Sorry everyone involved in IT, hahaha)

This pharmacy field is all about health matter.
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I totally agree, hence the disclaimer put in place on the very first topic.
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post Feb 15 2020, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(reed90 @ Feb 15 2020, 05:58 PM)
Sohai. Its because cost of treating those diseases and hospitalization is costlier compared to just vaccinating them .
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Aiyo boss jangan banyak marah, mana saya ada kata vaccine langsung tak berguna pada masyarakat? Saya cuma mahu kebebasan dari puak pelampau.
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post Feb 15 2020, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(fuik1650 @ Feb 15 2020, 06:33 PM)
you are the reason why malaysia got polio TS
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Mana ada, takkan hari ni cakap, hari ni beranak juga?

Don't give me too much credit, this is kopitiam dei.

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post Feb 15 2020, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Feb 15 2020, 06:39 PM)
TS circlejerking himself with antivaxxer rant until contradict his own rant

Kek
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Show me where I contradict myself? Does most of you have problem in simple arithmetic? Not all created equally, hence the title.
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post Feb 15 2020, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(kuing @ Feb 15 2020, 06:51 PM)
Diamla anti-vax bodo!
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Saya sokong dengan cadangan anda, anti-vax orang memang kurang cerdik. Maka pilihlah kesederhanaan dalam kehidupan, jangan pro atau anti, katakan tidak pada extremist, knowledge is power kata orang mat saleh.

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post Feb 15 2020, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(Zentel @ Feb 15 2020, 08:17 PM)
Vaccines are simple, there is nothing to argue about.

After an army of infection attacks us, our body has special force of antibodies which will remember their faces and attack it if they see the infection again.

Problem is a lot of infections are new and we cannot recognise it before it is too late.

Vaccines are just a way to tell our bodies to recognise the villains so that we can fight them later.

Like TV and newspaper showing faces of the bad ppl so we know.

Why do we want to purposely don't learn about the bad ppl and put ourselves to danger?
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Great and simple explanation, that is the basic which I understand and have no problem with.

But I follow one simple truth, which is money can corrupt individual, everyone to a certain extend are hypocrite and can be bought, is that simple.

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post Feb 15 2020, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(Zentel @ Feb 15 2020, 09:36 PM)
That applies to everything. The education system can be corrupt also. It is also compulsory in Malaysia for ppl to get education.

Do you want to argue about this also? To let people choose whether or not to get education?
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Does above issues directly effect your health? The only thing which is worth more than money is life, health, education and freedom to make decision for oneself.

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post Feb 15 2020, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(Zentel @ Feb 15 2020, 09:49 PM)
Yes. We can get abused by teachers, bullied by other students, be indoctrinated by radical teachers, taught false values, get food poisoning at school, contract diseases like from other students.

So many risks...
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You have just proove my point, that there is good teacher and bad ones, same as vaccine.

Stop patronizing, not all vaccine does miracle, if it is, go and get your shots and stop forcing it to others. Not everyone share your optimisim.
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post Feb 15 2020, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(lowyat101 @ Feb 15 2020, 09:51 PM)
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Good points for constructive discussions.

I try not going into the details of your points, but would like to point out that whether your points are correct or not, it also applies to all other medicines, food (McD, KFC, ....), and also to other consumables.

Example, those anti-vaccine groups, do they take pills, drips, etc. when they are sick? So why only against vaccines and not those?

Why do you use toothpaste to brush your teeth? Our ancestor use only wood ash and salt for this purpose.

For sure those fast food are not healthy, but why the same group of people still taking it?
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Are any of those thing are being enforced to the mass and deny them service if don't comply? No right?

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post Feb 15 2020, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(ladytarot99 @ Feb 15 2020, 09:57 PM)

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I'm sorry, I have to ask, did you have some difficulty in constructing your own sentence? It might be the side effects I was warn about.
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post Feb 15 2020, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Feb 15 2020, 10:04 PM)
But where do you draw the line.. On one hand you say some vax are good.. Some are bad

So which is which? You cannot blow hot and cold..

To approbate and reprobate in a serious s discussion.. Eventually leads to a meaningless debate
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That is a multi million dollar question, but none is willing to pursue it because it is bad for business.

I'm not here to educate people about health, it is a complex subject, which is why doctor spend more than ten years to study and apply license to practise.

Not everything work as advertise, so keep an open mind.
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post Feb 15 2020, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(Zentel @ Feb 15 2020, 10:30 PM)
Yeah. But education is compulsory in Malaysia. If you don't give your children education you will be prosecuted.

Go complain to government.
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Do you know what happen to teacher if they were caught to abuse children, it goes really bad right? Everyone is accountable for their action, I have no problem with it.

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