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farisq
post Feb 9 2021, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Feb 8 2021, 11:30 AM)
So if I were to summarize your argument, you're basically saying since you don't see any discrimination against free-hair malay women then discrimination doesn't exist.  sweat.gif

I've seen first-hand how my female friends got called sluts and all kinds of names just because they made a concious choice not to cover their aurat. Throughout my life, girls in schools are also are forced to wear tudung as part of their uniform despite no wearing it elsewhere. Even Indonesia realises now that wearing headscarves is an individual choice. The fact that we are officially worse than Indonesia in this respect shows that we are indeed, becoming more conservative.

There had been surveys that show most women do not voluntarily choose to wear tudung. Celebrities who experimented with tudung and decided to take it off are often criticized on social media too.
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Let's try to clear things up...

Is covering up obligatory in Islam? Yes

Is there a law that enforces it? No

So long there is no law to enforces, (e.g., like the law disallowing smoking and drinking alcohol in public, by Selangor, religious department), then you not violating any law.

And then, of course there is nothing Islamic or ethical, in calling names just to pressure others to wear tudung.

farisq
post Mar 17 2021, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(alfredbeoulve @ Mar 17 2021, 11:26 AM)
Pretty sure it's against your religion to be you?

Can I ask a legit question? How do you people found out that you like the same sex and why?
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Yes AFAIK, it is not in line with Islamic teaching. But of course, this does not justifies spreading hate towards the community. After all Islam is religion of peace.

But definitely this is not acceptable in Islam. I mean it is hard to justify it when such practice is condemned in Quran.

farisq
post Mar 17 2021, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Mar 17 2021, 04:24 PM)
Unless you wanna label these guys from Muslims for Progressive Values as heretics, I guess its best to just agree to disagree.  sweat.gif
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Well I have no interest in labelling people.

To me, It is not so much about the term "homosexuality", coz overtime, human can introduce different terms. But what is the substance of it? We know that homosexuality in general is having an interest, sexually, towards similar sex (unless you have different understanding).

So what does quran says about such practice?

I leave this quranic verse here for you to judge. I mean the words itself are quite clear and self-explanatory to me...

"You come to men lustfully instead of women. No, you are a people who cross the limits" [7:81]

Like i said, if we want to focus on terminologies, logically there will be so many terms not mentioned in quran.

Anyway, i know this is not the forum for this discussion. So we can leave it at that.

My only concern is that, saying Islam does not condemn homosexuality... is misleading.

If anyone wants to practice it, its their own choice. And you certainly do not need Islam to agree with your choice. 👌
farisq
post Mar 18 2021, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Mar 17 2021, 11:51 PM)
I agree that this is not the forum for this sort of discussion but let me address a few things...

I'm no expert in Quranic matters but I don't think you're supposed to quote verses in isolation. The verse you're referring to have been refuted by many scholars arguing that the people of Lot were destroyed not because of participation in same-sex acts, but because of various other misdeeds. What's next? You're gonna say we should legalize slavery again? There are many verses about slavery, none of which condemns the practice. sweat.gif

Also, I'm muslim who happens to be gay. So rather than living a double life I'm just gonna be a proud gay muslim now. People are going to keep coming in this thread or PM me personally on their internal conflicts regarding their faith and their sexualities and I'm gonna give them the reassurance that they need based on what I know.

I may not "need" Islam to agree with my choice but it sure seems like you need Islam to justify your homophobia, though. sweat.gif
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We can continue in pm if you open to that. If not, its fine.

This post has been edited by farisq: Mar 18 2021, 09:35 AM

 

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