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Proton X70 CBU / CKD
 
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post Feb 4 2020, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Feb 4 2020, 03:49 AM)
New tech biasa lah. Let others be Volvo's test bed lah. AT is reliable, DCT? Look at Ford.

Geely can claim whatever reliability numbers they want. Buy their later gens DCT
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I remember, for small car, Honda City was one of the earliest to use CVT. At the time, many people say.....hard to repair....not reliable etc.

Now, CVT is so comon.

Geely isn't the 1st with DCT and DCT have been around for some time already.


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post Feb 4 2020, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(destee88 @ Feb 4 2020, 10:48 AM)
just let everyone know who interest in upcoming CKD with advantages for a DCT and try do not confuse ppl by compare lapsap ford DCT and geely DCT
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DCT is DCT. We shouldn't rely on just the manufacturer 350k km reliability tests right?

AT is mature tech, CVT is proven. These GBs have been used in lower-end cars for decades. DCT in cheap cars are still new, why risk it? Ok perhaps you want to try having DCT in your car at your price points, that is fine

But you are taking a risk here. To each his own. If I was in a market for an SUV, I wouldn't go for DCT from Geely for the time being
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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 4 2020, 10:47 AM)
when cars come out with CVT, they also say same thing....not reliable....hard to repair....
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kasi him chance la.. maybe he/she dun like tongsan made cars with so advance DCT GB in cheapo price and jelly
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post Feb 4 2020, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 4 2020, 10:51 AM)
I remember, for small car, Honda City was one of the earliest to use CVT. At the time, many people say.....hard to repair....not reliable etc.

Now, CVT is so comon.

Geely isn't the 1st with DCT and DCT have been around for some time already.
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4th gen City CVT

5th gen City AT

Now they are all CVT

Maybe you will face the same rate as 4th gen City owners, when it was problematic, which promoted Honda to change back to AT

At the time, CVT wasn't new tech, yet Honda still had reliability issues with it. It wasn't their first CVT car too.

Despite all this, you still want to jump in DCT with Geely. I'd say don't go for bleeding edge tech yet unproven, go for matured tech. Go AT

But hey, its your car, your choices
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post Feb 4 2020, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Feb 4 2020, 10:11 AM)
My fren had a proverb. Early buy, early privilege, later buy got cheaper deal.

So there no right or wrong answer in ckd and CBU, it just u want be early access aka beta tester or goty edition saje. whistling.gif

CKD pariah quality is bullshit IMO. Is whether the boss got tighten the local qc or not. If MD proton tighten the QC and production team, CKD can had CBU quality.
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we are talking about Chinese CBU here not neepornjin CBU.
doubt there's a quality difference
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post Feb 4 2020, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Feb 4 2020, 10:11 AM)
but the DCT installed in CKD x70 is still made in China if I am not mistaken; the car is only assembled here (from imported parts), with the most important components like engines and GB imported straight from China

DCT inherently is more problematic than AT, reliability is more important for some manufacturers since they do not have to have future headache (See Ford).
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Psstt....previous gen A-class (W176) uses DCT from A180 all the way to A45.

This post has been edited by dares: Feb 4 2020, 11:02 AM
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post Feb 4 2020, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Feb 4 2020, 11:01 AM)
Psstt....previous gen A-class (W176) uses DCT from A180 all the way to A45.
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A-class models are meant and marketed for boy racers that value speed and acceleration which can benefit from the DCT. Perhaps Mercedes have decided to streamline the design across models in the A classes. Not impossible that the chassis was designed for their DCT and having a mix of DCT and AT in that class across different models would be too expensive design as well as manufacturing wise

But in general the basic cars like C and E, or 3 and 5 all use reliable AT, perhaps due to reliability or cost concerns - or both as reliability affects the bottomline especially when these cars are broken while under warranty

These German marques must have done their numbers when choosing the design for all their cars

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post Feb 4 2020, 11:12 AM

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If wet dct than should be less issue.

If dry dct u better hope u daily drive is not high jam area if not prepare for chance of failure due to high temperature
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post Feb 4 2020, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Feb 4 2020, 11:07 AM)
A-class models are meant and marketed for boy racers that value speed and acceleration which can benefit from the DCT. Perhaps Mercedes have decided to streamline the design across models in the A classes. Bot impossible that the chassis was designed for their DCT and having a mix of DCT and AT in that class across different models would be too expensive design as well as manufacturing wise

But in general the basic cars like C and E, or 3 and 5 all use reliable AT, perhaps due to reliability or cost concerns - or both as reliability affects the bottomline especially when these cars are broken while under warranty

These German marques must have done their numbers when choosing the design for all their cars
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QUOTE(bai1101 @ Feb 4 2020, 11:12 AM)
If wet dct than should be less issue.

If dry dct u better hope u daily drive is not high jam area if not prepare for chance of failure due to high temperature
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Geely ones for the x70 ckd are wet dcts
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post Feb 4 2020, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Feb 4 2020, 11:13 AM)
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Haha then you tell BMW and Mercedes to use DCTs for all their cars la. Since you all know so much laugh.gif

So many engineers and executives here
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Feb 4 2020, 11:13 AM)
Geely ones for the x70 ckd are wet dcts
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Should be less worry than
But don't hope quality will up to par compare to the well known factory.

Many switch to dct also because of costing since AT and CVT pattern right is more expensive compare to dct
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post Feb 4 2020, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(ycs @ Feb 4 2020, 12:13 PM)
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post Feb 4 2020, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Feb 4 2020, 12:07 AM)
I actually prefer people upgrading from Proton to their dream cars (BMW, Merc, Audi, what have you) then upgrading from a Proton to T/H just because they want a foreign brand. At City/Vios and CRV/CX5 levels the local makers have corresponding models
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QUOTE(destee88 @ Feb 4 2020, 10:52 AM)
kasi him chance la.. maybe he/she dun like tongsan made cars with so advance DCT GB in cheapo price and jelly
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QUOTE(dares @ Feb 4 2020, 11:13 AM)
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Aboh how he uang besor uang besor buy BMW

We plebs go play one corner
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talk here talk there,, still not launch CDK model yet...
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QUOTE(BillCollector @ Feb 4 2020, 12:04 AM)
CBU better as no DCT gearbox which can be complex and expensive to repair when something does go wrong with it.
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the normal modern gearbox also every expensive to repair
and the term of expensive at here is how much?

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