QUOTE(jesserider223 @ Feb 4 2020, 12:31 AM)
Kasi chan la macha...Proton X70 CBU or CKD
Proton X70 CBU or CKD
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Feb 4 2020, 12:33 AM
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Feb 4 2020, 12:38 AM
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Feb 4 2020, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE(chrisseow @ Feb 3 2020, 12:07 PM) I have a customer who asking Proton X70 CBU better or CKD? but but CBU got possible wuhan virus wor ... better take CKD , new gearbox , new engine generation , confirm slightly lower price .. y still take old model CBU unit ??? want buy better buy newestMy dealer answer CBU is better because of anything import in terms of quality and also QC better. My own thinking is CKD all sort of things will be cheaper because parts are locally assembled not import so reduce in taxes. what do you guys think about it? |
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Feb 4 2020, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE(destee88 @ Feb 4 2020, 09:37 AM) but but CBU got possible wuhan virus wor ... better take CKD , new gearbox , new engine generation , confirm slightly lower price .. y still take old model CBU unit ??? want buy better buy newest New doesn't always mean better, especially when they are different technologiesIf you compare an auto GB from a reputable manufacturer, ZF for example between their old 8-speed to the newer iteration 8-speed or even the upcoming 9-speet AT, then there are arguments to be made that "newer is better" But when you compare the 6AT and the DCT, these are apples to oranges. Mechanically they are different and would have different reliability limits; you can't break physics, DCT is more prone to errors and expensive to repair |
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Feb 4 2020, 09:41 AM) New doesn't always mean better, especially when they are different technologies but but tongsan made parts very cheap only .. u can pre order parts by urself at taobao if want more cheaper .. if got money sure we wanna try DCT wet la since cannot try on mostly expensive cars .. now potong got DCT wetIf you compare an auto GB from a reputable manufacturer, ZF for example between their old 8-speed to the newer iteration 8-speed or even the upcoming 9-speet AT, then there are arguments to be made that "newer is better" But when you compare the 6AT and the DCT, these are apples to oranges. Mechanically they are different and would have different reliability limits; you can't break physics, DCT is more prone to errors and expensive to repair |
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Feb 4 2020, 09:50 AM
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I think different people have different opinion in it, that's why this poll would help buyers decision on it.
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Feb 4 2020, 09:57 AM
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CKD with 7CDT and 15HP/30NM more.
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Feb 4 2020, 10:05 AM
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Feb 4 2020, 10:07 AM
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I don't trust DCT
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Feb 4 2020, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Feb 4 2020, 12:13 AM) Those that say CBU rugi, remember that getting the car earlier has its premium. They don't rugi, just they're paying for the privilege to experience the car earlier. My fren had a proverb. Early buy, early privilege, later buy got cheaper deal. Newer model will always be better, it's business. Proton/Geely can't be expected to halt improvements to jaga hati earlier owners, they need those improvements to compete better in the market. So there no right or wrong answer in ckd and CBU, it just u want be early access aka beta tester or goty edition saje. CKD pariah quality is bullshit IMO. Is whether the boss got tighten the local qc or not. If MD proton tighten the QC and production team, CKD can had CBU quality. This post has been edited by kcchong2000: Feb 4 2020, 10:12 AM |
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Feb 4 2020, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE(destee88 @ Feb 4 2020, 09:44 AM) but but tongsan made parts very cheap only .. u can pre order parts by urself at taobao if want more cheaper .. if got money sure we wanna try DCT wet la since cannot try on mostly expensive cars .. now potong got DCT wet but the DCT installed in CKD x70 is still made in China if I am not mistaken; the car is only assembled here (from imported parts), with the most important components like engines and GB imported straight from ChinaDCT inherently is more problematic than AT, reliability is more important for some manufacturers since they do not have to have future headache (See Ford). |
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Feb 4 2020, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Feb 4 2020, 10:11 AM) but the DCT installed in CKD x70 is still made in China if I am not mistaken; the car is only assembled here (from imported parts), with the most important components like engines and GB imported straight from China aiya u worried too much la... cannot compare lapsap brand like ford ... this is geely tongsan brand we haven try yet dun judge the quality first, nowadays tongsan quality edy advacned and improved almost same level as other advanced countries... even is spoil i belief spare parts very very very cheap nia .. MADE in TONGSAN mean is sibeh cheapDCT inherently is more problematic than AT, reliability is more important for some manufacturers since they do not have to have future headache (See Ford). |
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Feb 4 2020, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE(destee88 @ Feb 4 2020, 10:23 AM) aiya u worried too much la... cannot compare lapsap brand like ford ... this is geely tongsan brand we haven try yet dun judge the quality first, nowadays tongsan quality edy advacned and improved almost same level as other advanced countries... even is spoil i belief spare parts very very very cheap nia .. MADE in TONGSAN mean is sibeh cheap whatever you want to believe about Tongsan quality, DCT is still problematic. You are not driving a performance car, there is no need for a DCT; even German marques reserve their DCT for performance models (AMG, M) while plebs like C class and 3 series only use AT |
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Feb 4 2020, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Feb 4 2020, 10:33 AM) whatever you want to believe about Tongsan quality, DCT is still problematic. You are not driving a performance car, there is no need for a DCT; even German marques reserve their DCT for performance models (AMG, M) while plebs like C class and 3 series only use AT geely try used their own made DCT mostly all on their new product sure there is purpose of it ... we will see once CKD arrive malaysia ppl can tell how good it is for DCT ..This post has been edited by destee88: Feb 4 2020, 10:37 AM |
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Feb 4 2020, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE(destee88 @ Feb 4 2020, 10:36 AM) geely try used their own made DCT mostly all on their new product sure there is purpose of it ... we will see once CKD arrive malaysia ppl can tell how good it is for DCT .. Yeah I think they want to do away with AT, and streamline all their products with DCT. If they do well, good, I still have reservations against DCT and will have my circles avoid DCT, at least for the time beingThe DCT used in this X70 CKD is a new model, Volvo-Geely claims that it is "awesome" and "reliable". They claim lah, you want to be their lab rats? If I was in a market for a car right now, Ill go for AT or reliable and proven CVT Why are you so mati2 for this DCT by Geely? You got their shares is it? Just bought Tongsan shares due to their dip yesterday? |
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Feb 4 2020, 10:42 AM
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Feb 4 2020, 10:45 AM
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which 1 give more discount?
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Feb 4 2020, 03:41 AM) Yeah I think they want to do away with AT, and streamline all their products with DCT. If they do well, good, I still have reservations against DCT and will have my circles avoid DCT, at least for the time being when cars come out with CVT, they also say same thing....not reliable....hard to repair....The DCT used in this X70 CKD is a new model, Volvo-Geely claims that it is "awesome" and "reliable". They claim lah, you want to be their lab rats? If I was in a market for a car right now, Ill go for AT or reliable and proven CVT Why are you so mati2 for this DCT by Geely? You got their shares is it? Just bought Tongsan shares due to their dip yesterday? |
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Feb 4 2020, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Feb 4 2020, 10:41 AM) Yeah I think they want to do away with AT, and streamline all their products with DCT. If they do well, good, I still have reservations against DCT and will have my circles avoid DCT, at least for the time being The DCT used in this X70 CKD is a new model, Volvo-Geely claims that it is "awesome" and "reliable". They claim lah, you want to be their lab rats? If I was in a market for a car right now, Ill go for AT or reliable and proven CVT Why are you so mati2 for this DCT by Geely? You got their shares is it? Just bought Tongsan shares due to their dip yesterday? just let everyone know who interest in upcoming CKD with advantages for a DCT and try do not confuse ppl by compare lapsap ford DCT and geely DCT |
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QUOTE(touristking @ Feb 4 2020, 10:47 AM) New tech biasa lah. Let others be Volvo's test bed lah. AT is reliable, DCT? Look at Ford.Geely can claim whatever reliability numbers they want. Buy their later gens DCT |
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