They are a lot of international schools and private schools around.

The school fees isn't really that "cheap"

Single guy like me feel a bit worry as someone I am dating(not gf, just someone I met on dating app) tells me that she wants to send her future kid to those school.

Are those parents who send their kids to these schools really rich?

This post has been edited by happyday119: Jan 30 2020, 03:19 PM

Nobody likes to spend 50~70k a year for primary/secondary education.

But look at the quality of our national school.

You are dating not your girlfriend?....

Failure of Msian education system....escape valve for those who can afford....

Just like 30 years ago, they liberalised university education, allowed many private colleges and universities, when the NEP quota in ipta hits the nons....

some parents want to separate their kids from the normal average kids so they spend more money to send their kids to private international schools for education as compare to normal sekolah kebangsaan while another group of parents are those who assumes these type of school are more prestigious and will have a better education system for their kids' future

Another perk for parents to send their kids to international school is to mix with corporate big shots & children of royalty. Thereby ensuring their children's future is secured when networking with rich kids easier for their future. My classmate told me about it & so is my cousin.

Yeah, 99% of our politicians never send their kids to SK

Jho Low's parents planned his future this way, that's why he has very rich & connected friends all over the world.

because they cash rich dowan jatuh standard go sk

Some are rich, some are very rich and some aren't rich at all.

Many of them are there because the company they work for sponsors it as a perk of a job. Many of them do get hefty discounts on the fees because they are employees of the company that owns the school.

There are also some of these schools that around 5% of the student population are there on full scholarships.

Worth the money?? Absolutely considering what kind of rubbish the SK, SRK, SJKC etc have become.

tak nak khat,
uni ada kuota,

Where there is demand.....there will be supply.....

i disagree.

in this case its "where there is kiasu, there will will be supply."

Malay is sending their kid to private school while shouting vernacular school is the problem of unity. Ban all private school first.

you dont know education industry is one of the best business around?

Few ways to approach this

1. Ditch the girl and forget about international school
2. Earn enough
3. Find clever girl to mate and get clever children so that they can qualify for scholarship
4. Work for companies that own these type of school e.g. Sapura charges 50% for employees children
5. Work for companies that pays for children's private education
6. Send children to local schools and keep your money for their tertiary education

Lol got money why go sk

The irony is if they go to a better government school, the money saved would have set the kids for life..

They know that private and international school title can easily suck the money from the rich which probably not rich enough to send children overseas or just like to keep children close

A guy name mazly cause a lot of ppl to go for private ones

People just have the false impression that if it's an international school, the quality of education is top tier. Whilst it might be true, but some local schools aren't that far off either. But you cant blame the parents for wanting what's best for their kid(s). If they have money to spare, why not.

This post has been edited by Justin Jack$on: Jan 30 2020, 10:27 PM

Last time case american ambasador son whack local kid one also international school one lol

I believe this is the path to mix with rich ppl. I saying there are people really rich and fake rich and poor who enrol the school. You get rich easier knowing these real rich people. I have relatives who enrol to know rich people or for targeting prospective son in laws.

On the bright side my nephew is one of the senior staff in Eco World rubbing shoulders with future president, the ambassador's son' case is one of the bad that happened but the potential is there for the privilege to take the opportunity.

Funny thing is most who send their children to private school never went to private school themselves. They only remember their hatred towards public school and not what they gained.

It’s just symptomatic sign of the growing inequality in Malaysia.

It’s very normal esp in KL to see one person driving Porsche and next to him is a family on one EX5 bike, the Porsche driving person will want his kid to mix with kids from better education background.

This post has been edited by kuci_mayong: Jan 31 2020, 11:11 AM

Education is money nowadays, the quality of education offered is second, the first it access to provide.

Before this small college like cendawan, everytime got new colleges founded.

I am not rich but my son's preschool is MYR 24,000 a year (MYR 2,000 a month)

We are planning to send him to Sekolah Rendah Kebangsaan and later to an international / Private school

Why?
I want him to be friends with good and educated people/family.

Worth it?
Yeap

This post has been edited by CommonPeople: Jan 31 2020, 02:15 PM

If you’re not rich and don’t plan to migrate, don’t put your children into private school.

Your child is most likely gonna work in Malaysia so mixing with own kind since small is beneficial.

Private school is liberal in nature, meanwhile our society is still pretty conservative. This may cause identity crisis and difficult for your kids to join back the society after school. I think private college is more than enough for your kid to experience other culture and diversity.

Yes, I'm a product of SK then SMK then international.

I can give you my long testimony on what I enjoyed the best from both worlds.

I don't believe in the more expensive the school the better the result. I think more expensive = you get to mingle with the higher net worth kids and better facility.

Simply, education result is based on how you and your children plan out what career path they aim to pursue next.

Also if you're rich ... boarding school dah .. kat UK, Aussie, Canada, US

So true

And it's not like international schools are of much better quality either.

After hearing stories from friends working as teachers in international schools, the grass is not so green after all in international schools.

One story I heard is that my friend was reprimanded by the HOD for giving essay question to the class just because one student find it difficult and complained to the HOD. As a result, essay questions should not be introduced to that class for the time being. Mind you, that class is going following the IGCSE syllabus. All the Head wants is to make the students happy.

Another story I heard is that the school called up a few parents to remind them not to send their kids late to school. And all of them who had been called up still come late to school. By the way, late comers are never punished in that school.

And many other stories I heard of how students wanted to be spoonfed to complete their homework.

Because Malaysian schools turn out idiot who know nothing. For example, many Malaysian believe Lynas is nuclear. That is like saying the sun rises from the West.

This shows that our public school have to buck up to solve the social divide in society. If we can give better service in public school, private school willhave to compete.

not all of them is rich.


a friend of mine goes to one of the more affordable "private school" and his school science lab doesn't have any thing in it and they learn by imagining it.

anyway the government spend around rm600 to rm900 per students per month and they have operational scales so if you really wanted to then find a school which charge more than that

it's basically like the public hospital vs private hospital.
some dumbass will falls into a marketing placebo effect and assume things that are expensive = better. so that's pretty much show how the girls mentality works.

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Right? a mixture of both worlds would produce better quality/ balance (instead of private school all the way)

SMK then international? so Form 1 - form 3 in SMK and then Form 4 - 5 international?

tell me more about it

This post has been edited by CommonPeople: Feb 4 2020, 01:18 PM

Yes, because school is another form of business entity.

Yes, more freedom in terms of discipline.. especially handphone, laptop, tablets, hair color, length of hair.

So long students do wear official school uniform its fine, they won't make so much noise.

At the end, school do their part, parents would need carry out their duties as well. So if you send your kids late = your problem if your kids cannot adapt later stages.
The final examination is IGCSE so papers are provided from the official institution so even you complain essay work, etc you still cannot run from facing the official exams and students are well aware of that.


I don't know how to justify if I am a better quality. Imho, I did have a better balance of friends. Higher net worth friends end up carrying out business for their parents, one even invited me to their wedding (both my classmates) this month. So young get married.

I did mine from SK 1-6 then Form 1. Most friends from SK went to the same SMK, did have a lot of friends in SMK since there are so many classrooms, each with 30-38 average students. I moved to intl nearing the end of Form 1, graduated 1 year earlier than my friends in SMK.

The quality of education really depends on your kids discipline and his/her circle of friends. The syllabus will be slightly tailored towards whatever exam your kids are taking, mine was IGCSE so I received British textbooks and followed the same syllabus as them. I entered intl in Year 9 (should be equivalent to Form3) so I had to learn add maths and those science subjects. When picking the school for your children I think you should do a little research as well as to what year he/she might enter .. what's the difference in the syllabus with a government school.

If you asked me what's the biggest contrast with government school, students are expected to copy down notes in books and then memorize them (potentially). Whilst, some teachers in intl can be very 'extra'.. walking into class, turn on ppt and lecture the whole way for 2 hours. You can either jot down notes or type them into your computer. The first lesson will always be a lecture about the topic then follow by tutorials or something interactive later on. By 2/3rd week teachers will handout assignments and expect you to complete in week 5/6. This applies to other subjects as well sometimes date may clash in a week where you have a lot of deadlines when exams are in the corner. That's when parents come in to complain about this and that .. lol (usually that's the case people generalized about international school students are strawberry generation). Later stage of my life entering to college then uni .. this is the same process, lecture, tutorials, assignments, exams. It's not hard to adapt especially started earlier than government school students how to do research, formulate discussion, referencing and presentation. Yes, it is silly when you're graded for presentation (sometimes they grade the way you speak, etc).

Finally, the best part, going on trips! I love it but some parents would disagree with their kids going on trips because of 'virus, people died in the sea, air pollution' when the school decides to go places like Beijing, Bali, etc... and usually parents voiced out their disappointment because they are expected to fork out RM3000,4000 per year for extra trips. Luckily parents didn't question much since they are okay, I went to Bali, Beijing, Hangzhou, Suzhou, Sarawak (volunteering to clean orang Asli house, free labor). Why it is the best? I get to meet new friends from different campuses from different states. Every trip about 130+ students and every year see different faces or same ones... best lah so many memories everywhere we went. Later also, same time uni and go to different countries end up meeting them for lunch/dinner occasionally (usually i only lunch with amois, also grow up beautiful liao ).

The bad side of international school = weed, drugs. Whoever the dealer makes shit tons of money because they are willing to pay for whatever the price, no sense of appreciation towards money?? I don't know. Also, the wrong circle of friends = gone case... cheong starting at 15 y/o. I guess you can't blame entirely on school, friends and etc since also part of duty as parents to be aware of children's activity. It wouldn't be fair to the school, sometimes they can't shut it down completely, worst-case scenario expulsion and the bad apple will just proceed to the next international school to start such culture. There are cases that happened but silenced out completely since no police report to be made that will tarnish school image and parents' background... things like this don't happen maybe once or twice a year for special students.


Edit #1
I typed until here forget to tell you the best side about public school as well. Friends in public school best, helps bringing you at your feet because they represent the average working class of Malaysian. Seeing your friends in private school spending on food, shopping, or the latest gadget may be difficult for a student, especially girlfriends all already carry Chanel, Hermes... then boys... Lolek, Patek, Ap... living the dream at that age yo! As I mentioned, public school friends will help you stay on your feet because of some high achievers will always challenge you to stay competitive, thats for me. If he can enter into unis like Imperial College, Oxford through his hard work, then you should do something about yourself as well. They don't need materials to flaunt, reflecting a hardworking culture. Government school friends some also follow parents business or joined Big 4 and good MNCs.. not too bad themselves.

Education? I guess sometimes teachers may be young + rotating from different states / passive-aggressive/aggressive methodology - you get funny responses as student. I'm afraid of some teachers who goes ape shit in class and couldn't care less about teachers who don't have passion/effort in their teaching.. especially those who read from a textbook the whole 1 1/2 hours.

Good ? Better sports activity, facilities such as tennis, badminton, pingpong, track, football, cricket, etc etc.
+ Cheap canteen food... in intl school the prices are rip off. SMK average daily food prices 6/7. Intl average daily food price 10-15.

This post has been edited by ClericKilla: Feb 4 2020, 04:44 PM

I send my daughter to private school is because SK is like sekolah agam nowadays. Also 90% of most schools students are malay. Don't like chinese school way of teaching.

My household income is only 35k monthly, don't mind sending my daughter to a private school and pay only around 15k per annum.

sending child to this school is to join those rich people so in future can form a society that you help me i help you in those so call top management company.

Gomen fucked up the education system.

Private entities set up international schools to attract parents who fed up with gomen.

A win for private sectors and gomen (they will allocate lesser funding for following year).

Wow, you wrote 968 words 5,679 characters. Thanks for sharing your life experience. Truly appreciate it

Completely agree with all your remarks and my plan is similar to your path.

Yes, British education. I tot of sending him to British Council as extra curriculum.

The pros and cons that you have mentioned are OK compared to taking 100% risk in public schools.

Drugs and Alcohol? Let them be, its a phase of growing up. I really dont mind of them going thru that process as long do not go overboard. Eventually anywhere in this World, be it UK or US or AUS - they will face this kind of phase (curious and enjoy) - just a matter of time

Materialistic? Well not just in school - later in UNI he will meet this kind of group as well so I think its not a problem. Yeah of course I cant compete with the ultra rich parents but at least my son will have the chance to befriend with them plus the inheritance of family business and network - that is the objective.

My family was moderate but somehow they managed to send us in Private uni and Overseas. Personally, sometimes It is hard to keep up with the rich kids but actually they need someone from our background because they are naive as fuck (all they have is money, no hard life experience)

Which International School did you go to? Mind to share? I am very interested to send my son to King Henry IV college in Cyberjaya or ISKL

How about your Uni?

Absolutely agree! Education business can last for a century...

King Henry is quite good compared to many. If british ed, good option is Alice Smith. Its Board of Governors are all parents.

I have my fair share of Public and Private schools.
Standard 1-6, I went to SRJK©, Chinese school. Chung Kwok.
Form 1 and 2, SMK Katholik PJ.
Form 3-5 Private School Sri Garden (Now known as Taylor's International School)
College TARC (Semi Govt Semi Private)
University USA for Bachelor and MBA.

I'm close to all my friends. But what I can tell is that, the people I met at private school, they were all pretty well off financially. Even in school, they were wearing branded watches, not exactly Rolexes, but there were quite a few Tag Heuers, and some designer brand watches that costs easily RM1k+ back then (about 20 years ago).

Friends from my primary school, they were mostly not so financially capable, but guess what? As we're approaching 37 this year, I do not know of any of my ex classmates from SRJK© that doesn't have a stable source of income. We have an annual meet up for Low Sang, and we met just 2 weeks ago.

We have someone who's owns one of the largest pork butchers in Malaysia. We have a few who's working as professionals, engineers, accountants, and some owns their own firm, and some working in Singapore. We even have a doctor who owns 8 aesthetic clinics around Klang Valley. I personally worked in USA for 5 years till my H1B expired, came back to Malaysia, worked another 2, before starting my own commercial press printing factory.

Whereas, those that went to private school, I'm not sure if I can say the same about them. They're all pretty good friends. Of course, most of them went on to take over their parents' business. Some had pretty good careers too, I suspect, because through their good education, they are able to strive in the society. Some migrated to Australia, USA, Singapore, UK, etc. There are a few drug addicts, spending away parents' money and does nothing. And funny thing, there is also a well known scammer of MLM / Money Game, that we can no longer locate him. He's gone somewhere nobody knows.

I can also say, those that I met from private schools, most of them at least drive a luxury branded car (BMW/Merc/Audi), a few have Vellfire with drivers, and a few have exotic cards like Ferrari, Lamborghini.

The friends that I met from government schools drive from Myvi, all the way up to S Class, 7 Series, Vellfire with drivers. But these people I met from government school seemed to be a lot modest / humble, unlike those from private schools who like to compare. First thing they ask when we met for LowSang was "Eh, hi Gong Hey Fatt Choy. I heard you changed a new car. What car are you driving now?" Things like this will not fly in our government school gatherings. Nobody gives a shit. You could take an LRT or a private helicopter, and nobody gives a shit.

But for sure I know what I want for my kids.

I'll send them to the same primary school as me, which is Chung Kwok. They have a great education system. Morning session is government syllabus. Then afternoon session 1-4:30pm, Singapore syllabus. I swear by this school. Why? I was built in that school, and none of my friends today are bums, no drug addicts, no scammers, no showers, all humble people.

As for secondary school, I'll most likely send them to a government school that teachers government syllabus, but with Chinese taught as well, just like Katholic. I could possibly move them to private school for Form 4 and 5.

For college of Uni, what I learned, instead of sending them here for twinning program, send them to USA, join a community college. The last time I was there when I checked, tuition was only about $2.5k USD per semester. First 2 years done at a community college, then credits transfered to a sister 4 year college. For example, if I cant to send my son to Purdue, I'd send him to a community college in Indiana that works closely with Purdue. The overseas experience is important for exposure. My overseas experience made me look at the world a totally different way. The way I work, compared to locals, very different. Discipline, views, concepts, etc.

Just my 2 cents.

Chinese
=> speak 8/10, written 3/10

Malay
=> speak 2/10, written 2/10

English
=> speak 9/10, written 8/10

Where shall the kids go for secondary school?
Need advice..

In terms of education, both sides are debatable depending on your expectations. I would say the main reason for sending kids to private/international schools are for long term relationships and exposure. I have seen first-hand, how much value the right connections can take you when it is done from young.

Myself, I started out life in a Catholic church supported kindergarten then went to what was once a very good SJKC in PJ that I finished Std 5, then I went on to a State of Vermont school and then to a state supported public uni in the State of Texas. I will give it to the SJKC, many of the good work ethics I now have has its origins from my time there, absolutely thankful for the good foundations in Mandarin I was given considering these days though working for an Anglo-American company 70% of my income comes from China and Taiwan. We had a very varied background of students but one background that was missing was you could hardly find anyone whose parents were the upper middle classes, why?? The answer is very simple, in 1983 most preferred SRKs that were closest to their homes, they did not want their children to go through that Remove year when they went on to a SMK and finally very few ever dreamed in 1983 that China would open up and be what it is today.

My wife, she attended a certain kindergarten, SJKC and then a Chinese independent school, after that she went to a private college for UoL LLB and only then she went on to LSE for her Masters. She has enviable academic results but sadly one of the things she cannot do is think or analyse or constructive criticism very well, probably a good thing I suppose else she won't be with someone like me

Our children, my daughter who is now 12, we never sent her to any playschool or kindergarten till she was 5, only thing we did was when she was 3 we hired a Filipina maid who has a university degree to watch over and read as well as play with her during the day and in the evenings the mummy would take on a tutor role. Weekends I taught her all the important life skills in the world which meant at 6, she knew how to change all kinds of light bulbs, she knew how to use basic handtools, she also knew how to drill holes using a power drill and with some help, she could even assemble an IKEA furniture. In her early years she had very few toys, I only bought her Lego blocks, a Mecano set and some stuff toys, pencils, pens and paint, never allowed any TV, phones, computer etc. When she was 4 I bought her a bicycle. Writing on the wall with a pen? Scribbling using pencils on furniture? Using her fingers to paint on the wall? We never once reprimanded her for it, instead we encouraged her to use papers. When she was 4, she developed the obsession to clean up all her drawings and writings on the wall. I taught her how to repaint walls instead. When her little brother was born when she was 5, each time he tried to use a pen and pencil where he wasn't supposed to she would bring papers for him.

She wasn't sent to any special kindergarten, just one that was selected simply because it was closest to our then home. After that she was sent to the nearest SRJK[C] as we were rather tight on money at that time and felt the financial risks involved wasn't something I could stomach especially as the wife had big plans that she wanted a family sized that would make a Vellfire a necessity. She attended it till 11 years old, when I pulled her out to join an international school. Only when she was 9 I started sending her for some extra English classes as her pronunciation was rather poor and I felt she didn't speak sufficiently in English which is every bit as if not more important than speaking Mandarin.

It wasn't necessarily an easy decision to move her to an international school, I thought very long and hard over it, in the end the decision largely centered upon 3 main criteria, firstly I did not like the way SRJKs had a tendency to mould and standardize, just about everyone that comes out of there are mostly the same. The next was I felt the entire schooling system had too much politics and it had simply become a political football, heck even the PIBG had political camps and factions in it and finally it still felt very archaic and more in tune for the 90s rather than 2030, positions of influence simply couldn't be touched as the old farts continued to dominate and squat there and the world is moving on, jobs are more and more being automated and plenty of people rushing for the fewer and fewer jobs, there won't be room for 90s era thinking and systems in as little as 2025 let alone 2035. In the end I decided I had to act in her best interest rather than traditions and cultures.

Am I happy with the decision?

A semester has passed. My daughter enjoys her school and the new friends she has made. I see a big improvement in terms of her confidence levels, ability to reason and interestingly her level of Mandarin is every bit if not better as at the international school though Mandarin is taught just as a language subject it is taught by far better teachers than those in a SJKC, the school does not take anyone as teachers unless he or she has 5 years post qualifying experience in either China or Taiwan. I wish that Taiwanese woman is teaching me Mandarin as well The kind of extra curricular activities available are simply second to none. The biggest difference between the 2 schools?? That would be the ability to allow the pupil to learn or do something because the pupil enjoys it rather than need to because have to pass exam.

I am happy if she is happy.

Is the mummy happy? She wasn't at first but she is warming up to it.