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TSken_hidaibuki
post Jan 22 2020, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(SheepGeeks @ Jan 22 2020, 10:01 PM)
If TS doesn't want to spend endless money to upgrade your current engine, just go for 4G93, higher CC = more torque & power.

Turbo setup is not cheap either and it will required exhaust modification. Apart of that, turbo maintenance is totally different from a NA engine especially long distance travelling.
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Can give me pointer on how to maintain on long distance driving?
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post Jan 22 2020, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(ken_hidaibuki @ Jan 22 2020, 10:06 PM)
Remove what restriction in cylinder head.. Heard some mentioning on compresion ratios... What was that?
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It’s more like allowing more air flow when through the valves to and from the cylinder head. Don’t scratch your head on this. Focus on other mods available.
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post Jan 22 2020, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(ken_hidaibuki @ Jan 22 2020, 10:07 PM)
Can give me pointer on how to maintain on long distance driving?
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Driving a turbo, don’t feel itchy keep boosting. It’s very tempting, I know.

GSR 1.8 turbo is a really good engine. You can try to survey on this on even the 4g93 dohc
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post Jan 22 2020, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(cyapd @ Jan 22 2020, 10:13 PM)
Driving a turbo, don’t feel itchy keep boosting. It’s very tempting, I know.

GSR 1.8 turbo is a really good engine. You can try to survey on this on even the 4g93 dohc
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4g93 is oversquare engine right.. Before buying this wira c98 i do consider c99 4gp3p sohc.. But then considering there are not alot c99 a/b available that why i choose c98 a/b sohc. My first plan was to change from sohc to dohc but my mechanic say it will make the lifter tappet making clicking sound and and will be affecting the auto gb.. He also say that auto cant boost too much. Maybe 0.7 bar only..
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post Jan 22 2020, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(cyapd @ Jan 22 2020, 10:11 PM)
It’s more like allowing more air flow when through the valves to and from the cylinder head. Don’t scratch your head on this. Focus on other mods available.
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I dont really get your point on this.. Which part to change to archieve this?
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post Jan 24 2020, 09:55 PM

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I own 1.6 Wira and mode to 1.8 before and let me tell you if you still want to stick to Auto. Upgrade to 1.8 4G93 SOHC is more better compare to modify to DOHC as Auto need a lot of torque at low RPM. DOHC is suitable for manual as the power is all at high RPM like over 3~4k rpm. Auto usually will shift gear around 2~3k rpm so you will need a lot of torque at low end to drive and shift better and the fuel economy also did not impact much compare to DOHC mod.

SOHC - Cheapest, more fuel efficient and easier to maintain drive
DOHC - Expensive and need to mode ECU to add piggyback to get the full potential. Parts are more expensive compare to SOHC and getting even rare.

Auto cars need a lot of torque at low rpm, the only mods i did in my previous 1.8 wira only direct transplant the 4G93 SOHC engine with the extractor from half-cut. The rest exhaust still maintain, if you mode to bigger pipe or take out the catalyst converter the torque delivery also will drop. Even the intake also maintain same, using original OEM filter and change every 20k mileage.
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post Jan 24 2020, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Jan 24 2020, 09:55 PM)
I own 1.6 Wira and mode to 1.8 before and let me tell you if you still want to stick to Auto. Upgrade to 1.8 4G93 SOHC is more better compare to modify to DOHC as Auto need a lot of torque at low RPM. DOHC is suitable for manual as the power is all at high RPM like over 3~4k rpm. Auto usually will shift gear around 2~3k rpm so you will need a lot of torque at low end to drive and shift better and the fuel economy also did not impact much compare to DOHC mod.

SOHC - Cheapest, more fuel efficient and easier to maintain drive
DOHC - Expensive and need to mode ECU to add piggyback to get the full potential. Parts are more expensive compare to SOHC and getting even rare.

Auto cars need a lot of torque at low rpm, the only mods i did in my previous 1.8 wira only direct transplant the 4G93 SOHC engine with the extractor from half-cut. The rest exhaust still maintain, if you mode to bigger pipe or take out the catalyst converter the torque delivery also will drop. Even the intake also maintain same, using original OEM filter and change every 20k mileage.
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What you said echo with what my mech said. Just wanna ask should i change the auto gb to 1.8 or 2.0 gb after i put bolt on turbo in this car?
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post Jan 25 2020, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(ken_hidaibuki @ Jan 25 2020, 12:17 AM)
What you said echo with what my mech said. Just wanna ask should i change the auto gb to 1.8 or 2.0 gb after i put bolt on turbo in this car?
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If you want to play turbo, just direct get a GSR turbo half-cut and transplant
Dont waste time & money rojak here n there, you will get a lot of headache and mechanic will be happier as you will always visit his place to fix here n there.
A lot of people never calculate the time and side effect of bolt on turbo to car. The original engine and ECU is tune to N/A, if want to modify to turbo you need to upgrade a lot of internal engine stuff & ECU/piggyback which cost a lot of money and may not be done right if the mechanic is not good in this.

If you want to stick to Auto, the best choice is just upgrade to 1.8 4G93 SOHC engine.
The gearbox can still maintain from 1.6 Auto gearbox but recommend to just upgrade or add on oil cooler for the gearbox.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jan 25 2020, 10:56 AM
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post Jan 25 2020, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Jan 25 2020, 10:55 AM)
If you want to play turbo, just direct get a GSR turbo half-cut and transplant
Dont waste time & money rojak here n there, you will get a lot of headache and mechanic will be happier as you will always visit his place to fix here n there. 
A lot of people never calculate the time and side effect of bolt on turbo to car. The original engine and ECU is tune to N/A, if want to modify to turbo you need to upgrade a lot of internal engine stuff & ECU/piggyback which cost a lot of money and may not be done right if the mechanic is not good in this.

If you want to stick to Auto, the best choice is just upgrade to 1.8 4G93 SOHC engine.
The gearbox can still maintain from 1.6 Auto gearbox but recommend to just upgrade or add on oil cooler for the gearbox.
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I see.. Thanks for your insightfull comment.. Btw which gb should i be looking if i want to change the gb
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post Jan 25 2020, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(ken_hidaibuki @ Jan 25 2020, 01:49 PM)
I see.. Thanks for your insightfull comment.. Btw which gb should i be looking if i want to change the gb
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I tot you mention that your wira is already 1.6 Auto.
You want to change to manual? If want to modify also same just go buy from half-cut area.
Dont waste time & money on this also.
If you just want manual only why not just go buy a 2nd hand manual satria or Putra it is cheaper nowadays.
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post Jan 26 2020, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Jan 25 2020, 03:57 PM)
I tot you mention that your wira is already 1.6 Auto.
You want to change to manual? If want to modify also same just go buy from half-cut area.
Dont waste time & money on this also.
If you just want manual only why not just go buy a 2nd hand manual satria or Putra it is cheaper nowadays.
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Sorry i forgot to say change auto gearbox to better auto gearbox..
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post Jan 26 2020, 01:43 PM

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Thought nowadays not easy to do engine transplant like 20yrs ago ?
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post Jan 26 2020, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(sitescope @ Jan 26 2020, 01:43 PM)
Thought nowadays not easy to do engine transplant like 20yrs ago ?
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Still easy. In fact still have people stamping the engine chassis so the engine shows 1.6 or 1.8L instead of 2L. So they pay 1.6L road tax instead of 2L road tax. Save 300 a year
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post Jan 26 2020, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(ken_hidaibuki @ Jan 26 2020, 01:15 AM)
Sorry i forgot to say change auto gearbox to better auto gearbox..
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As per feedback before 1.6 Auto gearbox can be fit with 1.8 engine 4G93 SOHC without issue.
There is no need to upgrade the gearbox, just add an automatic oil cooler good enough.
Dont waste money bro, Auto gearbox is not cheap also.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jan 26 2020, 06:16 PM
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post Jan 26 2020, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Jan 26 2020, 05:59 PM)
As per feedback before 1.6 Auto gearbox can be fit with 1.8 engine 4G93 SOHC without issue.
There is no need to upgrade the gearbox, just add an automatic oil cooler good enough.
Dont waste money bro, Auto gearbox is not cheap also.
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Okay bro thanks for your advice. I think i will be sticking with 4g92 soch plus td04l with rechip ecu.. I will be posting my finished project later on..

This post has been edited by ken_hidaibuki: Jan 26 2020, 08:55 PM
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post Jan 27 2020, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(ken_hidaibuki @ Jan 26 2020, 09:54 PM)
Okay bro thanks for your advice. I think i will be sticking with 4g92 soch plus td04l with rechip ecu.. I will be posting my finished project later on..
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Good luck and may god find you a good/honest mechanic to advice you on your modification route/cost. laugh.gif

Still if i were you, if die die want to get for the turbo itch.
Is better to buy another ride which already done the turbo modification/transplant
Since a lot are in mudah & carlist nowadays just get your trusted mechanic to go inspect the car before purchase.
This will save more time, money and less headache for both owner & mechanic. icon_idea.gif

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jan 27 2020, 12:29 AM
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post Jan 27 2020, 09:50 AM

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Last time i used to own a year 1993 wira 1.6xli auto.
Started with simple mode from sohc to doch head.
Then complete half cut mivec.
Gear box just dont last(change atleast 3 times)
At the end sold it off as the car is aging fast. Just too many issue with car.(too many to list out)

Honestly modding a 1.6xli is waste of money.
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post Feb 14 2023, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(ken_hidaibuki @ Jan 26 2020, 08:54 PM)
Okay bro thanks for your advice. I think i will be sticking with 4g92 soch plus td04l with rechip ecu.. I will be posting my finished project later on..
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hey bro, how's your upgrading project? Completed? interested to see the end results. mind to share. thanks.
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post Feb 24 2023, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(minibeany @ Feb 14 2023, 12:24 PM)
hey bro, how's your upgrading project? Completed? interested to see the end results. mind to share. thanks.
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Hello sorry for the late reply. My project got stuck after overhauling. But still high hope to finish it.. I will post mt result when done.

 

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