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Dong Jiao Zong admits Jawi not intended to convert students, says Mujahid
Bernama -January 15, 2020 11:22 PM
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Religious affairs minister Mujahid Yusof says the issue is on the method of implementing Jawi and this requires constructive discussion among all parties.
PUTRAJAYA: Chinese educationist groups Dong Zong and Jiao Zong (Dong Jiao Zong) today concurred that the proposed introduction of Jawi writing into the Bahasa Melayu subject at national-type schools is not intended to convert non-Muslim students into Muslims.

Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Mujahid Yusof said this was conveyed to him during his meeting with representatives of Dong Jiao Zong and 11 Chinese and Tamil education-related organisations at his office here today.

He said they agreed that there was no motive of Islamisation in the move to introduce Jawi writing to non-Muslim students and accepted Jawi as part of the country’s cultural heritage that should be respected by all parties, like Chinese calligraphy, Tamil writing and those of other ethnic groups in the country.

“We also agree that there is no issue of Dong Jiao Zong being against learning Jawi and that Dong Jiao Zong is not a racist organisation.

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“The issue that was raised is on the method of implementing it, which requires constructive discussion among all parties,” he said in a joint statement at a press conference shortly after the meeting.

Among those present at the one-and-a-half-hour meeting were United Chinese School Committees (Dong Zong) chairman Tan Tai Kim; Malaysian Association of Chinese School Teachers Association (Jiao Zong) chairman Ong Chiow Chuen; the Federation of Chinese Associations Malaysia (Huazong) deputy secretary-general Yong Yew Wei and the Global Organisation of the People of Indian Origin (GOPIO) president A Ravendiran Arjunan.

Mujahid said all of them also agreed on the need for all races to collectively oppose any racist agenda to safeguard the harmony enjoyed by the people in the country and avoid racial animosity.

He said all parties also agreed on the need to unite to ease the tension on issues that touched on the sensitivity of others.


Meanwhile, Tan said the meeting was important as it provided an opportunity for them to give their views and stand on the matter, as well as other issues of concern to the public.

“Dong Zong is open-minded and respects diversity. It is prepared to hold dialogues and interact with the relevant parties to resolve any misunderstandings for the sake of the country’s harmony and unity,” he added
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So, what was with the fuss before?
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Doh. Takkan baru tahu not?

It's all about wayang. To show that DJ plotek Chinese interest. That is all there is to it
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“We also agree that there is no issue of Dong Jiao Zong being against learning Jawi and that Dong Jiao Zong is not a racist organisation

So.. what now? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:21 AM)
So, what was with the fuss before?
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Joint Statement Made by Dong Zong and Jiao Zong
Joint Statement Made by Dong Zong and Jiao Zong

December 12, 2019



Dong Jiao Zong does not accept, agree with and execute the Jawi Scripts Learning Guidelines imposed by the Ministry of Education; it not only defies the decision made by the cabinet and DSKP, but also disregards the “Education Act 1996” in which sovereign rights were endowed to national-typed Chinese primary schools including other vernacular schools. The parent empowerment to decide on Jawi scripts learning implemented by the Ministry of education not only ruptures the harmonious and amiable relationship of national-typed Chinese primary schools, but also further marginalises the rights of the Board of Directors and Parent Teacher Association. More severely, this to-be-implemented practice will cause the loss of sovereign rights of the Board of Directors towards national-typed Chinese primary schools.



In view of this, the expanded joint meeting between Dong Zong and Jiao Zong held on December 12th unanimously decided to act responsively to defend the sovereign rights of the Board of Directors and protest against the absurd decision of the Ministry of Education with the following pronouncements:

Dong Jiao Zong insists that the Board of Directors of national-typed Chinese primary schools owns the decision making rights, the Jawi Scripts Learning Guidelines forwarded to these schools by the Ministry of Education must be withdrawn at once;
Dong Jiao Zong calls all national typed Chinese primary schools to return the Jawi Scripts Learning Guidelines to the Ministry of Education as a gesture of protest;
Aiming to unite all the Chinese communities in this country, a nationwide Chinese communities meeting will be held on the 28th of December to urge the central government to attend to public opinion, viz., to withdraw the Jawi scripts learning intent in both national-typed Chinese and Tamil primary schools; and
To inform all Board of Directors of the member states to hold a Board of Directors and Parent Teacher Association joint meeting to strongly protest against the implementation of Jawi scripts learning, as well as to collect signatures and stamps for petition.

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Jawi cannot bring money in to Malaysia or give job to graduate. Jawi is for what?
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 16 2020, 08:21 AM)
So, what was with the fuss before?
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in short, they want to have a say in the matter and involve in a joing discussion to be in part of the decision making to stay relevant.... so stir this shit up so to force a dialogue.
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post Jan 16 2020, 08:35 AM

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Apa lagi Dong Zong dickheads mahu.
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QUOTE(zeese @ Jan 16 2020, 08:26 AM)
dr mazlee already quit. mission accomplished?
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I think DZ scared of Thanos la. Thats why suddenly DZ make u turn.
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jan 16 2020, 08:26 AM)
Joint Statement Made by Dong Zong and Jiao Zong
Joint Statement Made by Dong Zong and Jiao Zong

December 12, 2019



Dong Jiao Zong does not accept, agree with and execute the Jawi Scripts Learning Guidelines imposed by the Ministry of Education; it not only defies the decision made by the cabinet and DSKP, but also disregards the “Education Act 1996” in which sovereign rights were endowed to national-typed Chinese primary schools including other vernacular schools. The parent empowerment to decide on Jawi scripts learning implemented by the Ministry of education not only ruptures the harmonious and amiable relationship of national-typed Chinese primary schools, but also further marginalises the rights of the Board of Directors and Parent Teacher Association. More severely, this to-be-implemented practice will cause the loss of sovereign rights of the Board of Directors towards national-typed Chinese primary schools.



In view of this, the expanded joint meeting between Dong Zong and Jiao Zong held on December 12th unanimously decided to act responsively to defend the sovereign rights of the Board of Directors and protest against the absurd decision of the Ministry of Education with the following pronouncements:

Dong Jiao Zong insists that the Board of Directors of national-typed Chinese primary schools owns the decision making rights, the Jawi Scripts Learning Guidelines forwarded to these schools by the Ministry of Education must be withdrawn at once;
Dong Jiao Zong calls all national typed Chinese primary schools to return the Jawi Scripts Learning Guidelines to the Ministry of Education as a gesture of protest;
Aiming to unite all the Chinese communities in this country, a nationwide Chinese communities meeting will be held on the 28th of December to urge the central government to attend to public opinion, viz., to withdraw the Jawi scripts learning intent in both national-typed Chinese and Tamil primary schools; and
To inform all Board of Directors of the member states to hold a Board of Directors and Parent Teacher Association joint meeting to strongly protest against the implementation of Jawi scripts learning, as well as to collect signatures and stamps for petition.
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Sovereign right should have limit if you’re a govt school. Otherwise become private school la then you have full autonomy.

QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 16 2020, 08:31 AM)
in short, they want to have a say in the matter and involve in a joing discussion to be in part of the decision making to stay relevant.... so stir this shit up so to force a dialogue.
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Typical malaysian. Benda boleh gaduh, buat apa bincang?
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DZ u-turn because Tun is now acting Education Minister. DZ scared later they all cannot cari makan.
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QUOTE(zeese @ Jan 16 2020, 08:26 AM)
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Thanos was the one behind it. Dr Mazlee was a shield people said smile.gif
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so all the fuzz over nothing?
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So that does mean dong zong tak kisah bawa balik jawi?
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so before this its just a wayang to attack maszlee?
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So? Didn't change the fact that someone always get what they want...
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 16 2020, 08:21 AM)
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jan 16 2020, 08:26 AM)
Joint Statement Made by Dong Zong and Jiao Zong
Joint Statement Made by Dong Zong and Jiao Zong

December 12, 2019



Dong Jiao Zong does not accept, agree with and execute the Jawi Scripts Learning Guidelines imposed by the Ministry of Education; it not only defies the decision made by the cabinet and DSKP, but also disregards the “Education Act 1996” in which sovereign rights were endowed to national-typed Chinese primary schools including other vernacular schools. The parent empowerment to decide on Jawi scripts learning implemented by the Ministry of education not only ruptures the harmonious and amiable relationship of national-typed Chinese primary schools, but also further marginalises the rights of the Board of Directors and Parent Teacher Association. More severely, this to-be-implemented practice will cause the loss of sovereign rights of the Board of Directors towards national-typed Chinese primary schools.



In view of this, the expanded joint meeting between Dong Zong and Jiao Zong held on December 12th unanimously decided to act responsively to defend the sovereign rights of the Board of Directors and protest against the absurd decision of the Ministry of Education with the following pronouncements:

Dong Jiao Zong insists that the Board of Directors of national-typed Chinese primary schools owns the decision making rights, the Jawi Scripts Learning Guidelines forwarded to these schools by the Ministry of Education must be withdrawn at once;
Dong Jiao Zong calls all national typed Chinese primary schools to return the Jawi Scripts Learning Guidelines to the Ministry of Education as a gesture of protest;
Aiming to unite all the Chinese communities in this country, a nationwide Chinese communities meeting will be held on the 28th of December to urge the central government to attend to public opinion, viz., to withdraw the Jawi scripts learning intent in both national-typed Chinese and Tamil primary schools; and
To inform all Board of Directors of the member states to hold a Board of Directors and Parent Teacher Association joint meeting to strongly protest against the implementation of Jawi scripts learning, as well as to collect signatures and stamps for petition.
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QUOTE(Milano7 @ Jan 16 2020, 08:46 AM)
so before this its just a wayang to attack maszlee?
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You mean Thanos order MCA to order Dong Zhong to attack Maszlee?
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if don't want. just give whatever excuse.
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Dude I studied Jawi also

I also worked in Middle east

Cant use whatever jawi I learnt so why TORTURE and waste young students TIME in learning something not USEFUL





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QUOTE(helpful @ Jan 16 2020, 09:12 AM)
Dude I studied Jawi also

I also worked in Middle east

Cant use whatever jawi I learnt so why TORTURE and waste young students TIME in learning something not USEFUL
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QUOTE(wadepak @ Jan 16 2020, 08:19 AM)
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Dong Jiao Zong admits Jawi not intended to convert students, says Mujahid
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Religious affairs minister Mujahid Yusof says the issue is on the method of implementing Jawi and this requires constructive discussion among all parties.
PUTRAJAYA: Chinese educationist groups Dong Zong and Jiao Zong (Dong Jiao Zong) today concurred that the proposed introduction of Jawi writing into the Bahasa Melayu subject at national-type schools is not intended to convert non-Muslim students into Muslims.

Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Mujahid Yusof said this was conveyed to him during his meeting with representatives of Dong Jiao Zong and 11 Chinese and Tamil education-related organisations at his office here today.

He said they agreed that there was no motive of Islamisation in the move to introduce Jawi writing to non-Muslim students and accepted Jawi as part of the country’s cultural heritage that should be respected by all parties, like Chinese calligraphy, Tamil writing and those of other ethnic groups in the country.

“We also agree that there is no issue of Dong Jiao Zong being against learning Jawi and that Dong Jiao Zong is not a racist organisation.

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“The issue that was raised is on the method of implementing it, which requires constructive discussion among all parties,” he said in a joint statement at a press conference shortly after the meeting.

Among those present at the one-and-a-half-hour meeting were United Chinese School Committees (Dong Zong) chairman Tan Tai Kim; Malaysian Association of Chinese School Teachers Association (Jiao Zong) chairman Ong Chiow Chuen; the Federation of Chinese Associations Malaysia (Huazong) deputy secretary-general Yong Yew Wei and the Global Organisation of the People of Indian Origin (GOPIO) president A Ravendiran Arjunan.

Mujahid said all of them also agreed on the need for all races to collectively oppose any racist agenda to safeguard the harmony enjoyed by the people in the country and avoid racial animosity.

He said all parties also agreed on the need to unite to ease the tension on issues that touched on the sensitivity of others.
Meanwhile, Tan said the meeting was important as it provided an opportunity for them to give their views and stand on the matter, as well as other issues of concern to the public.

“Dong Zong is open-minded and respects diversity. It is prepared to hold dialogues and interact with the relevant parties to resolve any misunderstandings for the sake of the country’s harmony and unity,” he added
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can you ask this minister to upload minute of meeting signed by all involved?
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QUOTE(faizalfaizal @ Jan 16 2020, 08:39 AM)
DZ u-turn because Tun is now acting Education Minister. DZ scared later they all cannot cari makan.
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lol i suspect the same too

Whenever ppl do dubious decisions in politics, almost always it involves some money game
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#MOHON SHARE AGAR SEMUA TAHU#

Hari ini saya menjejaki Bangunan Dong Zhong bersama beberapa pimpinan tertinggi iGuru untuk menyerahkan memorandum bantahan terhadap Dong Zhong berhubung polemik tulisan jawi.

iGuru diwakili saya bersama Ust Agus Lokman Timbalan Presiden dan Dr. Sharifah Hanum bt Syed Sahuri. Manakala pihak Dong Zhong diwakili En. Ng Chai Heng selaku Setiausaha Agung dan En Yap Heng Lung Eksekutif Projek Silang Etnik dan Budaya.

Meskipun di permulaan diskusi agak tenang tetapi ia menjadi semakin panas ketika membahaskan isu sekolah satu aliran dan polemik tulisan jawi. Pihak Dong Zhong tegar menolak pembelajaran jawi di tahun 4 SJKC dan SJKT dan berkeras supaya hal keputusan pembelajaran tulisan jawi di serahkan kepada Lembaga Pengelola Sekolah bukan pihak PIBG , ibubapa dan murid- murid.

Pihak iGuru telah menjelaskan pendirian tegas membantah tindakan Dong Zhong yang cuba mencabar kedudukan Bahasa Melayu dan menyeru untuk menghormati apa yang termaktub di dalam perlembagaan dan Akta Bahasa Kebangsaan.

Kesimpulan yang dapat difahami ialah ;
1. Dong Zhong melihat naratif pendidikan melalui kacamata perspektif "kecinaan" dan menganggap kewujudan sekolah- sekolah cina sudah lama bertapak dan British mengiyakan perkara tersebut.

2. Dong Zhong menolak konsep sekolah satu aliran dan memperjuangkan konsep multi language. Ini bererti pihak Dong Zhong akan terus berjuang untuk pengekalan sekolah vernakular.Sehingga kini terdapat 80 buah sekolah SMPC.

3. Perjuangan Dong Zhong merentasi parti dan meletakkan identiti, bahasa dan budaya mesti dipelihara melalui pendidikan. Justeru badan yang paling berkuasa ialah Lembaga Pengelola Sekolah ( LPS). Sebarang keputusan pihak KPM tanpa mengambil kira perbincangan LPS akan membawa konflik antara dua pihak.

4. Dong Zhong menganggap pembelajaran jawi adalah satu bentuk islamisasi. Ia turut disokong pihak kaum India yang mendakwa ramai anak india memeluk islam disebabkan belajar tulisan jawi walaupun ini hanya tuduhan tidak berasas.

5. Dong Zhong konsisten memzahirkan sikap rasis dalam memperjuangkan pendidikan cina. Oleh itu kakitangan dan staf adalah mereka di ambil dari mereka yang boleh bercakap Bahasa Cina.

6. Dong Zhong tidak menggunakan silibus sejarah yang ditetapkan pihak KPM. Mereka menggubal kurikulum sejarah menurut perspektif sendiri dan memasukkan lebih banyak kandungan berkaitan sejarah dunia berbanding sejarah Malaysia. Mereka melihat penulisan sejarah negara dimanipulasi orang politik. Hakikatnya mereka gagal memahami sejarah negara dengan tepat dan betul.

7. Dong Zhong kekal ekstrim dan bersifat cauvinis dalam mempertahankan pendidikan kaum cina meskipun berdepan ugutan mana- mana pihak termasuk kerajaan yang memerintah. Bagi mereka kepentingan kaum itu adalah mempertahankan identiti dan bahasa mereka. Oleh itu mereka akan all out untuk hal tersebut dari sudut kewangan dan fasiliti.

8. Dong Zhong menganggap sistem pendidikan sedia ada hanya mementingkan satu kelompok sahaja iaitu mereka yang belajar di SK manakala murid- murid di SJKC/ T dipinggirkan atau berlaku diskriminasi. Sebenarnya pihak Dong Zhong menolak untuk menerima sistem pendidikan aliran perdana.

Semoga rumusan ini adalah permulaan mengkaji lebih mendalam sistem pendidikan kelolaan Persekutuan Persatuan- Persatuan Lembaga Pengurus Sekolah Cina Malaysia.

iGuru akan terus memberanikan diri berdepan dengan pihak Dong Zhong secara lebih berdepan dalam mempertahankan kepentingan nasional.

Petikan dari Fb Presiden iGuru, Ust Azizee

#SHARE SEBELUM TERLAMBAT#

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Dong Zong takut already because now MOE is Tun M a.k.a Thanos...
Anytime Tun M can snap his finger and haramkan Dong Zong...
Thats why Dong Zong pun pandai u-turn... ahahahahaa whistling.gif rclxs0.gif
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QUOTE(helpful @ Jan 16 2020, 09:12 AM)
Dude I studied Jawi also

I also worked in Middle east

Cant use whatever jawi I learnt so why TORTURE and waste young students TIME in learning something not USEFUL
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Add math isnt useful to 60-75% of the students too why torture the students for 2 years

Heck why stop there

PJ not useful
Accounting too
Bio chem physics
BM can reduce syllabus by 80%
95% of math isnt used in daily life too

Habis liao humanity everything dont want learn
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QUOTE(ikankering @ Jan 16 2020, 08:57 AM)
malaysian brain.

if don't want. just give whatever excuse.
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Yeah, similar like people also protest against the ICERD here
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Even Dong Zhong u-turn lmaooo
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QUOTE(red4900 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:20 AM)
Add math isnt useful to 60-75% of the students too why torture the students for 2 years

Heck why stop there

PJ not useful
Accounting too
Bio chem physics
BM can reduce syllabus by 80%
95% of math isnt used in daily life too

Habis liao humanity everything dont want learn
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Can start by repairing engine already.

Or learn how to program a robot.

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Actually it does not matter, what with Dong Zong.

If it's not in the interest to learn the subject, for example if I don't want to learn Japanese, you cannot use that as something to create racial hatred...as what is happening now, it is not right, socially, morally or even religiously.

Bear in mind, whatever you do to others, there is judgement day which you cannot escape.

Those who have ear, let him listen.

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 16 2020, 08:21 AM)
So, what was with the fuss before?
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It have always been the implementation and syllabus issue.
Hence it's an education issue.

But there are too much noises and diverted Dong Zong's voice.
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QUOTE(faizalfaizal @ Jan 16 2020, 08:39 AM)
DZ u-turn because Tun is now acting Education Minister. DZ scared later they all cannot cari makan.
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thumbup.gif thumbup.gif DZ kecut bola
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QUOTE(zeese @ Jan 16 2020, 08:26 AM)
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QUOTE(red4900 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:20 AM)
Add math isnt useful to 60-75% of the students too why torture the students for 2 years

Heck why stop there

PJ not useful
Accounting too
Bio chem physics
BM can reduce syllabus by 80%
95% of math isnt used in daily life too

Habis liao humanity everything dont want learn
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this guy gets it lol

why the hell we learn geography types of soil types of clouds lol

heck why should we even learn literature novels and those even makes it into the exam lol
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QUOTE(Sycamore @ Jan 16 2020, 09:24 AM)
It have always been the implementation and syllabus issue.
Hence it's an education issue.

But there are too much noises and diverted Dong Zong's voice.
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Syllabus issue? It’s not a whole subject of jawi, it’s only 3 pages of explaining what’s written in common thing you see in Malaysia.

They don’t even bother to taught alif ba ta..
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:31 AM)
Syllabus issue? It’s not a whole subject of jawi, it’s only 3 pages of explaining what’s written in common thing you see in Malaysia.

They don’t even bother to taught alif ba ta..
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I think you are out of the loop.

You should read up previous news.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:31 AM)
Syllabus issue? It’s not a whole subject of jawi, it’s only 3 pages of explaining what’s written in common thing you see in Malaysia.

They don’t even bother to taught alif ba ta..
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just make 3 web page for it, encourage student to surf it. no need make it text book. I do not agree DZ about it will convert student but i also do not agree MOE add it into syllabus although it was mere 3 pages, there is no guarantee MOE wont go add another few more page next year after implement for the student when they go to standard 5. and even more then they go to standard 6.
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the future of education in malaysia is bleak..spend so much time on this jawi issue instead of trying to improve the standard of teachers and creating more dynamic teaching method that will benefit the students as a whole.
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What is the function of Dong Lanjiao Zong btw?
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QUOTE(keny2020j @ Jan 16 2020, 09:43 AM)
just make 3 web page for it, encourage student to surf it. no need make it text book. I do not agree DZ about it will convert student but i also do not agree MOE add it into syllabus although it was mere 3 pages, there is no guarantee MOE wont go add another few more page next year after implement for the student when they go to standard 5.  and even more then they go to standard 6.
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Well yeah. You can find ways to promote them to understand the words. Not necessarily in text book.

I like you also don’t agree with either MOE and dong zong. But they way dong zong protest will have bigger implication to GE15 than the 3 pages of jawi. That’s what I am frustrated about.
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I think DZ scared of Thanos la. Thats why suddenly DZ make u turn.
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Well yeah. You can find ways to promote them to understand the words. Not necessarily in text book.

I like you also don’t agree with either MOE and dong zong. But they way dong zong protest will have bigger implication to GE15 than the 3 pages of jawi. That’s what I am frustrated about.
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yup, even dong zong no protest also will impact the GE15. that y umno pas playing race and religion card on daily basis, they do not have any idea to improve the country at all. if they keep on like this, the only 1 that most suffer is malais themself
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Those nincompoops are really braindead.

How many times the nons have to say this, we opposed not because we are afraid of Islamization( our faith is strong enough to repel all subtle conversion attempts)

We just felt the whole thing is useless and won’t land u a job anywhere except for working as a imam or a janitor in madrasah


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QUOTE(red4900 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:20 AM)
Add math isnt useful to 60-75% of the students too why torture the students for 2 years

Heck why stop there

PJ not useful
Accounting too
Bio chem physics
BM can reduce syllabus by 80%
95% of math isnt used in daily life too

Habis liao humanity everything dont want learn
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red1942 Your dupe?

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:59 AM)
Those nincompoops are really braindead.

How many times the nons have to say this, we opposed not because we are afraid of Islamization( our faith is strong enough to repel all subtle conversion attempts)

We just felt the whole thing is useless and won’t land u a job anywhere except for working as a imam or a janitor in madrasah
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But i doubt you'll understand. Oh well.
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Add Maths isn’t useful?

What kinda human waste planet these guys come from

Add maths is not just a numerical problem, the subject teaches u to approach and attack a math problem and find the ways to unlock it and solve it.

It’s not only numbers game... doubt those idiots who doesn’t understand add maths know this

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Why are people butthurt by DZ? They are expressing their opinion only.

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QUOTE(haroldz123 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:18 AM)
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6. Dong Zhong tidak menggunakan silibus sejarah yang ditetapkan pihak KPM. Mereka menggubal kurikulum sejarah menurut perspektif sendiri dan memasukkan lebih banyak kandungan berkaitan sejarah dunia berbanding sejarah Malaysia. Mereka melihat penulisan sejarah negara dimanipulasi orang politik. Hakikatnya mereka gagal memahami sejarah negara dengan tepat dan betul.

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Fitnah ke betul?
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Sorry, not trolling but what's wrong about studying "memasukkan lebih banyak kandungan berkaitan sejarah dunia"? hmm.gif
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i think all this can be avoided if the news of learning jawi come out earlier that its 3 pages teaching the words meaning on the paper money.

its very normal, for example most places teach about latin words on their country crests or badges.
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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 16 2020, 08:24 AM)
Doh. Takkan baru tahu not?

It's all about wayang. To show that DJ plotek Chinese interest. That is all there is to it
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Just disband je lah.. Useless headline grabbing DZ
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This is what in Malay idiom called as SUDAH MELUDAH DIJILAT SEMULA.
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QUOTE(8bitguy @ Jan 16 2020, 10:00 AM)
red1942 Your dupe?

Plotek not very smart oh this person.
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not a dupe

I just thought if you oppose to learning any kinds of knowledge, you are kind of dumb

There is no useless knowledge, only useless human
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dah racist tu jd la racist..buat2 baik lak...bongok tul
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QUOTE(red4900 @ Jan 16 2020, 12:08 PM)
not a dupe

I just thought if you oppose to learning any kinds of knowledge, you are kind of dumb

There is no useless knowledge, only useless human
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I only oppose time wasting ""knowledge" that has no commercial value. So yeah, you can quote me on this.
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I only oppose time wasting ""knowledge" that has no commercial value. So yeah, you can quote me on this.
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If everything done on the name of commercial, humanity would nvr advance
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Jawi cannot bring money in to Malaysia or give job to graduate. Jawi is for what?
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To learn the history of Malaysia ~
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Continue study your Jawi. Not gonna stop you. Why you kecoh? LOL.
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QUOTE(New Klang @ Jan 16 2020, 10:02 AM)
Why are people butthurt by DZ? They are expressing their opinion only.
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I think only one group butt hurt. I know DZ argument got flaw, but that one group keep bringing it up like he represent whole non population for some reason.
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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Jan 16 2020, 11:50 AM)
Sorry, not trolling but what's wrong about studying "memasukkan lebih banyak kandungan berkaitan sejarah dunia"?  hmm.gif
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those anti dz people wan you bangga and think that you are world no 1 with 10.15s for 100m malaysia record but if you know the world record for 100m is 9.58s will u bangga?

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Add Maths isn’t useful?

What kinda human waste planet these guys come from

Add maths is not just a numerical problem, the subject teaches u to approach and attack a math problem and find the ways to unlock it and solve it.

It’s not only numbers game... doubt those idiots who doesn’t understand add maths know this
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if they recognize math usefulness then they also need to recognize Olympiad gold medalist so they denied it with all their soul and propose something that no meaning at all.

sos
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QUOTE(Clement1001 @ Jan 16 2020, 12:18 PM)
To learn the history of Malaysia ~
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What sort of history?
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DZ aim was to get rid of Mazlee as Education Minister, since DZ already win, there no point keep fighting.

That why DZ now admit Jawi is not for converting students.

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What sort of history?
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QUOTE(Clement1001 @ Jan 16 2020, 04:44 PM)
Still useless, cannot even find a good job.
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DZ aim was to get rid of Mazlee as Education Minister, since DZ already win, there no point keep fighting.

That why DZ now admit Jawi is not for converting students.
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win? what win? Avke to get rid the proxy. But now the master take over.

straight away ball shrink and u turn on jawi.

Even Ms Teo now is having difficulty to move..scared with Tganos.
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Still useless, cannot even find a good job.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 16 2020, 08:21 AM)
So, what was with the fuss before?
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The truth is this....

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win? what win? Avke to get rid the proxy. But now the master take over.

straight away ball shrink and u turn on jawi.

Even Ms Teo now is having difficulty to move..scared with Tganos.
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I read the history of Opss Lalang. I suspect DZ is actually working for Thanos.

Thanos is the fisherman, DZ is the net.


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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 16 2020, 08:21 AM)
So, what was with the fuss before?
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they bypass the school board of director and direct taking opinion of PIBG
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PIBG reject learn 3 pages jawi. how?
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DZ is step down it show because Dr M on Edu minister seat..... and false move it will be over for DZ.....deep inside we sill know DZ still hate the jawi thing

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Jawi 3pages in BM memang bodo. The 3 pages better used for thinking and intensify bahasa language . The 3 pages can be used to generate new words in bahasa or spelling quiz. Instead it was written as a jawi introduction to the students. I think I can explain this verbally without wasting the printing cost, designer cost, writer etc. 3 pages cost rm 0.50 cents. 1 million pages sudah berapa? Publisher yg kaya. Bodo punya PH.
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