if planning for a change, you wont start at a 250cc. unless you are dead set not to do your B Full and ride bigger bikes in the near future.


Chinese 650cc bikes are around 30k now. not that much more than the 250.

The real irony is, the z250 naked is 5k more expensive than the Dominar 400. Despite both under Modenas. yes the Z is a twin and arguably with a better reliability record, but that's the premium you'd pay to stay in B2.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Jul 29 2022, 01:49 PM

Nope don't think I tagged the wrong person.

If you got a full B, don't bother with a 250. Just get a used bike of a bigger capacity for the price as a learner bike.

If it's a stepping stone don't buy a new bike.

But you will get very quickly bored of the 250.


Weight is just something you will get used to after a few months of riding. Actually, a bigger, heavier engined bike might even be easier to ride as a greater proportion of the weight is centred lower on the bike. As mentioned before, the riding schools heavy z650 is much much easier to handle than my lighter but top heavy dominar 400 for tight maneuvers.

Usually. But shops also know they won't sell used bikes if not allowed to test.

I think mostly if they think you are serious or not or just out for joyride.

I road tested my dominar TWICE before buying. First time no helmet no licence also. Hahaha. 2nd time no license still but at least I brought a helmet.

Usually I get offered to test ride but I usually dont unless I am already certain to buy.

Don't think so. Suzuki thinks the 8S will be closer to 50k. Will know this weekend.

What was the old price?? Wasn't it the same?

Haha, that's right. The zx25r is a hobbist bike. Fine bike to take to a track or mountain roads. Any of the newer middleweight twins will leave it in the dust in the street.

Just be happy someone is still making such a bike for those that know what it is for.

Really? Cannot be. For 25k 250cc bike.



It's a stupid thing to omit due to cost. And here I am wondering what else they would include due to the price hike.

The vstrom 250x has ABS.

But picture got front ABS ring wor...

I suppose it depends on the ABS actuator. I hate the front ABS on my dominar in an off road scenario (understand it was not built for that sort of duty). Everytime my front tyre gets off the ground, ABS is triggered leaving no front brakes because the actuator/sampling rate is really slow to recover. So instead of the front washing out, you get no brakes. . Brown pants moment when going downhill.

Jumping speed humps going down genting will also lead to no brakes to slow down for the corner. Have to be very precise on braking. Can only initiate braking (I tend to trail brake all the time) once the front tyre is firmly on the ground ..if not that 1-2 second delay from the ABS will mean you won't slow down enough or able to transfer weight to the front for the upcoming corner.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Sep 9 2023, 09:12 AM

Can.. but not got off my lazy ass to put a switchable fuse bypass. I need a 10mm socket to get off my seat to get to the fuse box, so it's not exactly convenient until I get the switchable bypass.

ABS works. No questions about it. In 95% of on road riding and emergency situations, ABS (and other electronic aids) will make a difference. In everyday riding with changing road conditions, traffic, sand etc, I appreciate the additional safety net.

It's only special and rare circumstances on perfect conditions that manual braking be better. Even so, there are a lot of different ABS performance on bikes..some better than others. Some with very low threshold and very aggressive, some will allow you to be very hard on braking before it engages.

Going around the MAEPS parking lot again?

lol, wait what? That bar is meant for you to attach stuff. That said, most handlebar mounts are exactly that, 22mm diameter for the handlebar. The GPS mount is smaller. but you CAN find those U Bolt type. Or even smaller ones. Worst case scenario, just add a few layers of rubber.



Maybe try those that be mounted on mirror stalks. They have a smaller diameter. Just check the diameter of the GPS bar...should be 15 or 18mm.

I have my China 22mm handlebar quad lock mounted on my accessories bar which is 18mm. Just needed to add a strip of rubber. Been on there for 3 years.

That's the best place to mount a phone. Less glare... And you don't have to take your eyes off the road as much. Besides..mounted there mean my old eyes have it easier.

PS. Don t mind the charger. Wire wasn't long enough to route behind the binacle. Lazy to extend.

Edit. Just do yourself and the phone a favour by attaching a safety lanyard to the phone no mater how secure the phone mount looks. Many a phone has been lost/broken ........

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Apr 15 2024, 12:13 PM

Actually they do. The better ones are 1:1 even with "QL" box.

I have the better one in 1" ball mount.


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