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limeuu
post Jan 15 2020, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(kkboy @ Jan 15 2020, 09:04 AM)
Looks like i wont be booking Malindo air anymore lol
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Malindo are not flying the max.....all maxs worldwide are grounded....they use the 737ng which is extremely safe...
Which is why this disaster happens.... Boeing wants to ride on the familiar safe ng to sell the max....rather than design a brand new aircraft....
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post Jan 15 2020, 11:01 AM

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https://qz.com/1776080/how-the-mcdonnell-do...737-max-crisis/

This helps explain why....

When businessman and non technical people take over....
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post Jan 15 2020, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Jan 15 2020, 04:00 PM)
The new flight controls malfunctioned, is it through manufacturing problem or maintenance problem? Would additional training have helped in control failure situation? Why can't Lion Air get knowledge transfer from Malindo Air, which was already flying the Max?

So many questions, so few answers, but as typical in the court of public opinion, the one who was rude is the guilty party.
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You obviously haven't been keeping up with the issue....it's a hardware defect which Boeing attempted to correct using software....when the software malfunction, the pilots were not trained to do the right thing....they should not try to correct the aircraft, but switch off the auto stabilizer. The aircraft will then correct itself....

So it's both a hardware and software problem intrinsic with the design of the aircraft....

Additional training on a simulator will alert pilots to this problem, how to react, and likely prevent the crashes....
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post Jan 15 2020, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Jan 15 2020, 05:46 PM)
Sounds like something that can be covered with an email. No wonder Boeing rage. Ini machiam also want simulator???
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Boeing knows the potential problems, but thought the software will work, in the background, and therefore no need to tell airlines and pilots....

Email?....lol you are so ignorant about flying.....lol

Boeing was very against additional simulator time because that's how they sell the max....by assuring airlines and pilots it will fly exactly like the 737ng....it doesn't because the new software change how the aircraft behaves....this is not something you teach by "email".....
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post Jan 15 2020, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Jan 15 2020, 06:21 PM)
Aiya Boeing shares taking a nosedive (pun intended) now that Airbus is eating into their market share, many people hating on Boeing. Their customer handling may be bad, but that doesn't mean they're obliged to provide a simulator training if not covered in purchase contract.

They're in the airplane building bitness, not in the pilot training bitness. Mati lo if losing money already still have to train pilots.
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Your ignorance is amazing....lol
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post Jan 15 2020, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Jan 15 2020, 07:25 PM)
Yes, can. Why cannot? You've probably never operated a machine before.

In other words, it's the same as flying a 737ng sim with an email about the stabilizer.

Man no wonder you guys are losing out in the value chain.
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Therein lies the reason for the disaster, and what caused the slide in Boeing technology.....

"Value chain".....
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post Jan 15 2020, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Jan 15 2020, 07:29 PM)

In that case,  I suggest you all go back to driving school each time you change car.
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I was waiting for the "drive car" analogy....

Here it comes....

Yes, pilots actually go back to driving school when switching aircrafts....it's called conversion....
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post Jan 15 2020, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Jan 15 2020, 07:37 PM)
Or a simple a communication problem. Learn how to look for root cause instead of blame la
We're talking about the same aircraft here.
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Ah....that's the point..... Boeing wants people to think it's the same....it's not....

When the Ng was launched in 97, pilots needed to undergo conversion training....because of significant cockpit differences....

However, the more advanced a320 changed the game maintaining the same operations across the family 319/320/321/CEO/neo.....thus allowing pilots to be rated to fly all of them....that fact helps sell a lot of 320s (not to mention close similarity with the 330/340 as well, making conversion easy)....

So Boeing wants the same "value chain" to sell the max.....

Except the max had one big problem: engine too big for the low wings.... solution: put it in front.....

Guess what happens to the centre of gravity when you move 2 heavy engines forward?.....

Good "value chains"?.....lol
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post Jan 16 2020, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Jan 15 2020, 11:35 PM)
I tire of this nonsense being thrown about

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Air_Flight_610

Basically, a co pilot who never took the sim already briefed the crew how to fix the malfunction, but the next crew failed to heed the advice, and because of lousy pilot skills, crashed the plane. I'm not saying Boeing is not at fault (never did) but you can't deny that a training sim is unnecessary, as Boeing also issued an operational guide to inform pilots.

You also seem to be obsessed with the words "value chain", not only do you not know how you use them, you had demonstrated you can't add value to the discussion proving me right in my judgement that you have not moved up the value chain. Being too busy finding fault can do that to people.
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Rubbish.....

Boeing never inform pilots.of the mcas....

An intrinsic defect in the aircraft to be corrected by a co-pilot's advice?....seriously? That's how you would solve this problem?

Would a sim training avoid the crashes?.... subsequent SIM simulation crashes.....because pilots reaction to mcas was different from Boeing's expectation.....so it may certainly pick up problems with pilot reactions....

Finding fault?....me?....Why would the whole world ground all maxs, if it's not at fault?....I didn't ground them....

As to value chain....its obsession with the whole idea that caused Boeing to keep modifying an aged frame instead of a new aircraft....even to the extend a /k discussion needs to "move up the value chain".....lol
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