Boeing Mocked Lion Air For Requesting Extra 737 Max Pilot Training Year Before Crash

By Ryan Beene, Harry Suhartono, and Bloomberg

January 14, 2020

Indonesia’s Lion Air considered putting its pilots through simulator training before flying the Boeing Co. 737 Max but abandoned the idea after the planemaker convinced them in 2017 it was unnecessary, according to people familiar with the matter and internal company communications.

The next year, 189 people died when a Lion Air 737 Max plunged into the Java Sea, a disaster blamed in part on inadequate training and the crew’s unfamiliarity with a new flight-control feature on the Max that malfunctioned.

Boeing employees had expressed alarm among themselves over the possibility that one of the company’s largest customers might require its pilots to undergo costly simulator training before flying the new 737 model, according to internal messages that have been released to the media. Those messages, included in the more than 100 pages of internal Boeing communications that the company provided to lawmakers and the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and released widely on Thursday, had Lion Air’s name redacted.

But the House committee provided excerpts of those messages to Bloomberg News that un-redacted the Indonesian carrier’s name.

“Now friggin Lion Air might need a sim to fly the MAX, and maybe because of their own stupidity. I’m scrambling trying to figure out how to unscrew this now! idiots,” one Boeing employee wrote in June 2017 text messages obtained by the company and released by the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee.

In response, a Boeing colleague replied: “WHAT THE F%$&!!!! But their sister airline is already flying it!” That was an apparent reference to Malindo Air, the Malaysian-based carrier that was the first to fly the Max commercially.

How can they say these vulgarity in emails?

So not professional

Lion Air had initially raised concerns about the need for simulator training on the Max but ultimately accepted Boeing’s recommendation that it was unnecessary.

How can they say these vulgarity in emails?

So not professional

wowww... when something bad happens. all fukin emails come out. better stay professional. looks like private email from one employee to his co-worker. i doubt this was circulated to more employees. Boeing IT guys probably just pulled all references to lion air in their server from start of order date to crash date and they got private email communications as well.

wowww... when something bad happens. all fukin emails come out. better stay professional. looks like private email from one employee to his co-worker. i doubt this was circulated to more employees. Boeing IT guys probably just pulled all references to lion air in their server from start of order date to crash date and they got private email communications as well.

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Full article: https://fortune.com/2020/01/14/boeing-lion-...imulator-crash/

In response, a Boeing colleague replied: “WHAT THE F%$&!!!! But their sister airline is already flying it!” That was an apparent reference to Malindo Air, the Malaysian-based carrier that was the first to fly the Max commercially.

Betul ka Malindo pakao Max Series     

i tot they flying 737 model biasa

OD used 737MAX for a few flights before handing to JT

wahhh so lucky        maybe me also pernah naik max with malindo

did malindo use Max for KUL - BKI route?

i can't recognized which one Max or old model

My flightradar subscription doesn't allow me to retrieve more than 90 days.

It used to be KUL, SIN, BKI, TSN (Charter) and some other charter routes in China that I can't recall back.