As far as i know muslims are prohibited to touch a dog. They need to wash their hand with some special water if really touch one..but...



He is renowned muslims and very religious ????

Jib’s lawyer also keep a dog

Must wash with RO water.

Who is that?

Too dark

Weird.. Saudis keep doge

Can touch dog, kena sertu afterward. But cannot eat la of course

Not advisable cuz byk issue with dog for muslim.

Honestly i dont mind dog, they are cool

not prohibited la, some section (mazhab) allows contact with dog.

Since when prohibited to touch a dog?

Special water? Mana ada... Its muddy water adala

I think if u touched u need to wash ur hand 7 times with mud water

i think you dont understand .. its not special water its only water mix with tanah only ..

Ya something like that..i heard this during my primary school...that was 30 years ago..ahaha...
Its special thou...

So if you keep dog, tiap2 hari u need to wash ur hand 7x for few times a day..gila kah...

TS salah faham, muslim can touch dog

only cannot sembahyang after touch since dog is dirty

special water? no la, just any clean water with tanah only

Muslim can touch dog without needed to clean it with mud water if both hand & dog are dry.

What's special about this water? Even longkang water got sand. Or is it special sand?

This one. And its not that hard to clean as per Islam's req. My pants got smelled by a dog before while working, I thought the dog was friendly that's why I did not shoo her off. Later see her nose kinda wet, I went back and dip my pants in some muddy puddle near my house, then wash back with water. Settle.

I dunno la i mean if you ter touch

Nothing special. As long as you're confident there's no other animal poop in the sand/dirt, you can mix it up with clean water and pour it on the place touched by any wet part of the dog. Then just wash the whole thing off with clean water. Pretty simple.

Any dirt or sand will do as long as its "clean" (no other poop in there before)

prophet time.

They have no access to clean water, hygiene was an issue back then, when your hands are dirty u cant simply wash your hand with water and soap like today, I dont know how they clean themselves daily but I can imagine, they all were stink and dirty, they dont wash their clothes, they wear them over and over again, water is just like gold, cant afford to waste it esp when u are in the middle of the desert with little to no water at all. If the lives of human being was that bad, now imagine how the animals were, dogs in particular. They probably infected with viruses and bacteria, now u dont want to get too close to them do u, death from dog bite probably too common back then to. Now u dont want to get bite u dont hav anti bacteria soap so what do u do. DONT GET CLOSE DONT TOUCH THEM.


Our time.

We have water and soap. Can get it pretty much everywhere.

kubur masing masing.

I heard other mazhab are cool with it. Even our Malaysian mazhab still okay.. but some "group" will potek potek say haram 100%..

Well... idk.. maybe it's true..

Well, its not that black and white. Like anything, you pretty much stick what you have been taught.

Also you're not locked to that specific, as you learn more, you'll have more question and wonder why this and that so in the end, easier to follow one. Tho even following one is not enough if everyone interpret it differently.

As guard dog is allowed.

Can touch as long dog not dirty or wet.

just use water mix with soil for cleaning.

usually muslims who keep dog as pets dont bring it in areas where he pray, usually in prayer room dog cannot come in.

the thing is its best not keep dog as pet if not necessary, because the issue arise when it comes to pray, if the house have dogs walking around it is not clean due to dog hair and saliva.

so that is why most muslim preferred not to keep dogs

Raj's banana leaf restaurant used special water to wash plates too!

2 things. Islam was not spread in the middle of desert. The cities were build around oasis which provides ample of water.

Another thing is that soap is not modern invention. They were known to be used since the ancient Babylonian time. Different cultures used different thing when making soap. Germanic tribes and those from Gauls uses animal fat mixed with ashes to make soap. The Arabs already have soap factories at least by 7th century in Basra, Kufa and Nablus where soaps were made by extract of olive oil.

Greeks and Romans however dont prefer soap as they prefer to use blocks of clay, pumice, sands and ashes mixed with water to wash their bodies.

Maybe the instruction to add soil into water was better than any available method to nullify any germs that comes with dog's saliva?

Wallahualam.

This post has been edited by aliesterfiend: Dec 17 2019, 07:46 PM

lel my ex melei neighbor also feed stray dog what

Touch dog when dry ok

but when dog start licking with fluid...then have to wash 1 time with mud water and 6 times with normal water

Thats all

not really lol

different sects got different ruling such as this dog issue

one sect prohibits squid prawn and crab altogether lol

Only apply to the poor

The rich dun even care much

Anti hadith also got
They dont pray 5 times a day
Because in quran, there’s no word for praying 5 times a day
All come from hadith
While the problem with hadith, there’s over 700,000 false hadith, a totally made up
How do u know witch one is true?
So that’s why this anti hadith group exits

what about m40 lol

Greeks and Romans did have soap and used it as early as 1st century AD

Soap comes from the GREEK word sapon, which is used today in the process known as saponification

Romans also rinsed with water and oil, which is also effective, but adopted soap during the Imperial Roman period after effectively conquering the Greeks

Likely the Arab use of sand is due to general lack of water in near-desert areas

Exit to hell?

Focus? He's been whining for a while now.

So nobody really knows whether this is just the normal practice because of conditions back then, but is no longer relevant today?

So what is it? Religion? Culture? Best practice back then, but no longer applicable today?

Human beings make up a lot of rules over time. It is not clear what is supposed to be religion vs what human being made up.

football players all no ikut 1. Players like salah and mane maybe they really follow. I know muntari really follow the proper way until mourinho openly insulted his religion while he was managing inter.

Ya but still, playing like a bb still better Malaysian first 22 combined. But you get the drift.

The attitude used to be more relaxed with the dogs compared to nowadays.

Some school of thoughts prescribed that only the saliva of the dog that's considered as najis/impure, whereas other parts of the dogs are no different than any other pets & animals.

This post has been edited by lucifer_666: Dec 17 2019, 09:10 PM

Wtf you're comparing a world record breaking transfer to our players? What weed you're on?

i see many tepuk tangan ...

tak insap2 lagi ke

lol. nope

Cukur kapir ktard alim ugama Islam.

Saw many Muslims with dogs - not in Malaysia. No problem.

This is "Muslim can/cannot touch dog" tered number God knows what edy...Dah2 la tu, don't become 9gag, every week/month take turns posting the same sh*t over and over again...

This post has been edited by killerjeya: Dec 17 2019, 09:46 PM

isu bijan lagi sensitif, berapa topik dah 2 hari ni

Of course they use soap. Actually the romans adopted them from the conquered gallic/germanic tribes, not greeks.

The bedouins live near deserts. They were not muslims during the prophet's time. The Arabs live in cities/towns where there are water sources. The process of sertu or cleasing is by using water where 1 out of 7 times is water mix with soil.

Arabs never uses sands for cleansing. On the event there are no water, dust can be use for tayammum before prayer. Not related to dogs and sertu.

tambah satu lagi faveret is tered tapai alkohol haram ke tak
mmg KEK
tak sedar2 lagi depa ni

Clean and unpolluted soil is safe from germs and most germs cannot survive in soil. The reason soil is so protective is very tiny living things that exist in soil are deadly enemies of harmful germs.

I'm not a scientist. Maybe someone familiar with the stuff can explain more.

The reason for the practice back then was to remove germs. That's why even the greeks and romans uses soil in their bath too.

If there are modern alternatives then by all means do it.

only apply to those who care la, after all it is between you and God for this sin.


This post has been edited by bangaubagus: Dec 17 2019, 10:04 PM

No need to find reason other than God commanded it.
If you layan these ktards, u will end up sinning due to questioning Islamic ways.

I actually don't know now, I always thought Muslims are prohibited to touch dogs... I brought my dog to a vet in Kota Damansara, one of the vet assistant is a Muslim woman with tudung who has no qualms touching more than 10 dogs in one day

This post has been edited by ghostcommand: Dec 17 2019, 10:09 PM

dont tipu

i read newspaper some samaritans muslim feeding stray dogs

u jgn fitnah

Soil is full of germs - trust me.

But let's say soil is protective. But nowadays, we have all sorts of medication that are far better.

So, "don't touch dog", and "use soil" are not longer relevant.

So, it is religion? or just practice back then which is no longer relevant to today's world?

my muslim fren nearly cried when she got approached by a dog...

indogland dawg eater laffing

the poor if do will kena kecam....the rich do no ppl dare to say anything

Dogs are cool.
Considered special kind of dirty in islam, but never prohibit interaction with it.
Just need to cuci if got interaction and some DUMB n confusing rule kenot keep as pet.

Everything bout dogs n pigs is just confusing af in islam.
Got some say like dis, some say like dat.
Even the cuci name oso not rly known which one lol. Sertu or samak.

Donno y some muslim so anti dogs until kecam all ppl dat have interaction with dogs, even just a lil bit.
Even vet doktot oso kena in mesia. Bodo gila.

This post has been edited by bukankhadam: Dec 17 2019, 11:13 PM

Who say cannot touch?

is all about politics. here people like to use race card

Anjing itu indah

Unlikely because the Gauls and Goths were considered barbarians

More likely the Greeks as the Greeks were considered the educated and classy people of the time and the model of civilisation to be emulated

But possibly the tradition arose from conditions when there was lack of water?

There would have been times where people went travelling around outside the cities and near the desert also and possibly this is why there are allowances given?

/k are like that

Explanations also they report

Malaysians... one time I was caned in school for explaining too

There're reasons for every God's command. Quran does not only ask to do this and that or dont do this and that but puts responsibility on every individual to personally question, analyse and verify (39:18, 17:36, 5:105), calls not to accept or follow anything mindlessly, warning that doing so would lead to eventual interrogation by the course of nature (17:36), describes unquestioning minds as polluted (10:100), demands substantiating arguments with hard evidence to validate a conventional belief (2:111, 4:174, 5:104-105, 8:42, 10:100, 11:17, 17:36, 37:156-157), insists that believing in a ready-made proposition or accepting a popular hypothesis, without deep observation and reasoning, is misguiding (2:170, 5:104, 10:100-101, 31:21, 33:67, 37:69-71) and so on.

dog's nose is wet , cannot dry, sometimes they will lick their nose

as the nose need to keep moisture to function, i guess

yeah i followed some animal shelters

usually can see some malays posting dog photos asking for help, definitely will say the malays at their area dislike dogs, and want to report to catch them away

i dont know why believe in god created all things but end up they hating dogs just because of laws


the worse one is some Malays lazy to do cleaning then they choose to hate dog ..



understand if you may not touch, but you can wear gloves or what, dont like but dont harm

This post has been edited by daimon: Dec 18 2019, 01:41 AM

Greeks considers Romans barbarians and Roman considers Greeks as toga lifting faggots. Romans actually considers everyone not Greek or Romans as barbarians including the eastern civilizations like Persia.

Romans actually staryed using their ultimate weapon, the gladius after encountering them when fighting the 'barbarians' in Spain and using chainmail armour after encountering them against the 'barbarians' in Gaul.

You were right about the allowance. That is why in case of tayammum you can use dirt if there is water to be found. Main purification is still water. My argument is regarding the claim of the scarcity of water in Arabia which is not the case at all.

Regarding the thing with dog's saliva, requirement still to use water with 1/7 time is water mix with soil. I've read somewhere that the method can kill germs that comes from dog's saliva bit I'm really not familiar with scientific journals (not my favorite subject) so I cant guve you the actual source.

What is religion to you? Sets of rituals or way of life?

I believe on that era.. the dog looks like this.
Anjing kurap.



And because of that, its dirty to touch.

And if u touch u need to wash your hand, since on that era their is no dettol handwasher.

The prophet said to use dirt instead.

But come on, why still need to use dirt if we already have dettol handwasher?
Also nowadays most of the dog that we touch have no ringworm (ajing kurap).

Even if we touch, and if we try to wash our hand with dirt, then see our hand through telescope or something, i believe we still can see bunch of germ or ring worm.

Unless we use this...




But sometimes.. or most of the times.. muslim are too "lurus bendul" or too "naive".
If the prophet suddenly alive now, i believe he also laugh.

This post has been edited by Gyazo: Dec 18 2019, 02:25 AM

Dogs also scared to touch. Lelz.

Bit of a stereotype, although true in some situations

Romans in general had a strong appreciation for Greek knowledge, philosophy and technology, even arts and culture. The upper class Romans were often educated by Greeks.


Well, yes, but that didn't stop them from regarding most Gaulish practices as barbarical

So on balance, it is more likely the Romans copied Greek soap-using practices rather than barbarians.

It's just ritual cleansing in this day and age

Soap works better for any practical purpose

👏🏻👏🏻

This post has been edited by ladytarot99: Dec 18 2019, 03:40 AM

Lipoted

try use a cat to guard your house or cat-9 unit use cat to sniff drugs or search and rescue

anjirrrrrrr

for all my understand..dog is a big test for muslim..smart creature but cannot touch..for heaven of course..if touch need to wash with water+soil water..7:1..

more like test for your mind.

Fit for purpose lah.

Even then there are dogs suited for such roles.

u dont see they use cat to guide the blind?

And you don't use a Myvi to plough the field. Good day to you sir.

yea you dont ban the myvi dont you? or everytime must shower before you drive your myvi ? Good day for you sir

This post has been edited by Theoutspokenguy: Dec 18 2019, 06:42 AM

Kalau x boleh pegang hanjing..yang banyak selamatkan tu sapo..orang kito

Muslim can use dog for that purpose, just not as pet.

Just curiosity.
If touch but didn't wash
what will happen to that person?

Depends on your luck. If the dog isn’t carrying any harmful germs, then you should be fine.

I'm referring to regilion pov

If you are talking about islam, then the answer is depending on which extrapolation you follow. If could be as good as nothing would happen or the worst is just sin points is added to yours.

Why does no one in this thread seems to know the existence of gloves?

syiah dupes

Doggie is innocent, my dog just went missing last week 😖

Also, where does the concept of 'touching a dog is a sin' come into anyway?

From my understanding, the dog/pig is only considered 'najis' which implies it only prevents you from performing solat until you have cleaned/purified yourself with the appropriate method. As I see it is never said that touching a dog/pig is considered a sin.

If like that everytime you piss/poop you will also sin, because you are in contact with 'najis' also.

Everything made with yeast, including bread will have alcohol as one of the side effects of using yeast itself (Yeast consumes sugar and produces carbon dioxide & alcohol). Because of this all types of bread will inevitably have some traces of alcohol in it.

Why is no one questioning this instead?

there are many people from malay community help dog and cat....problem is some asshole just not seeing it and keep seeing the bad one...its our job as community to highlight and praise the good one and bash the bad one...right now the good one being sideline...

here one of the recent thing that i follow since come from my whatsapp....

Are you sure it's just dog that is manyak issues?

U are misled and misinformed on the religion like 99% of sohai ks here who are uneducated katak bawah tempurung.

What is so special about water mixed with soil that is superior to water with soap?

Just curious.