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post Dec 1 2019, 11:36 AM, updated 6y ago

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Interview: Toyota’s sales and marketing chief says there’s no demand for EVs - Electrek

https://ww.electrek.co/2019/11/25/interview...demand-for-evs/

dead company before 2025.

Gonna join the likes of kodak, Chokia, Enron, GM
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post Dec 1 2019, 11:37 AM

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post Dec 1 2019, 11:37 AM

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Is this website even reliable?
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post Dec 1 2019, 11:38 AM

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They have hybird oredi

They won't be left behind that's for sure.
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post Dec 1 2019, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(ClericKilla @ Dec 1 2019, 11:37 AM)
Is this website even reliable?
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you can google the interview word by word.

Anyways, yeah.

Remember kodak, Chokia, Enron, Lehman Brothers, Blackberry?

soon Ford, Toyota, gonna join this list. gonna be fun
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post Dec 1 2019, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(Nachiino Etamay @ Dec 1 2019, 11:41 AM)
you can google the interview word by word.

Anyways, yeah.

Remember kodak, Chokia, Enron, Lehman Brothers, Blackberry?

soon Ford, Toyota, gonna join this list. gonna be fun
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post Dec 1 2019, 11:43 AM

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because raw oil as limited source was a pure hoax. it was all lies.

we are not going to ran out of that.






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post Dec 1 2019, 11:43 AM

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Electric cars, self driving AI cars is the future...

Those fail to spot this trend will be left as dinosaur fossil. Same like toyoda dino engine and gearbox
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post Dec 1 2019, 11:43 AM

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post Dec 1 2019, 11:48 AM

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the website advocate EV, they are so pro EV but not concern about the slavery of children workers for cobalt.
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post Dec 1 2019, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(Avex @ Dec 1 2019, 11:48 AM)
the website advocate EV, they are so pro EV but not concern about the slavery of children workers for cobalt.
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ice vehicles use cobalt too. in order to take away sulfur from the oil cracking process, they use, surprise surprise, cobalt

dont blame cobalt for the blame of being anti-EV. cobalt is innocent, its just a metal and an element in earth. its up to companies to use cobalt responsibly.

And most EV manufacturers now are reducing cobalt content in their batteries , and finding new sources.
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post Dec 1 2019, 11:54 AM

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not enough demand yet for them to take any action.

and they got hybrid technology anyway. it is easy for them to transition to full ev in the future, should the demand rise.

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post Dec 1 2019, 11:57 AM

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As i grow older, i prefer to work and live right outside the city to avoid unavoidable jam when live in the city.
And get salary similar to the city.
And when i need to go to the city, i'll go on the weekend.
I find peace this way.
When i was 20's, i use to stay in PJ and drive to KL. It was horrible 1 half hours in jam (one way)

e.g. of places outside the city, but drivable to the city, and city pay
setia alam, putrajaya, cyberjaya, klang, shah alam

Share your experience.
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Dec 1 2019, 11:54 AM)
not enough demand yet for them to take any action.
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sure. every ice car in the luxury segment now are getting massacred in europe and US, because EV's offers "sports-like" features at "super low prices.

things are going to change soon. Belgium already joined Norway in making anti-ice legislations. china going to be zero ice by 2025. Once they ramp up their thresholds, second hand ice cars will flood the market but no one wants them, ultimately destroying the second hand market

its just about time. 2020-2025 will be super fun. we gonna see maybe tesla, nissan, volkswaggen, and maybe a handful of china companies survive. and the car industry will parmanently be off the hands of the japanese.

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post Dec 1 2019, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(Nachiino Etamay @ Dec 1 2019, 11:57 AM)
sure. every ice car in the luxury segment now are getting massacred in europe and US, because EV's offers "sports-like" features at "super low prices.

things are going to change soon. Belgium already joined Norway in making anti-ice legislations. china going to be zero ice by 2025. Once they ramp up their thresholds, second hand ice cars will flood the market but no one wants them, ultimately destroying the second hand market

its just about time. 2020-2025 will be super fun. we gonna see maybe tesla, nissan, volkswaggen, and maybe a handful of china companies survive. and the car industry will parmanently be off the hands of the japanese.
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And as usual malaysia will completely miss this opportunity
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post Dec 1 2019, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(Nachiino Etamay @ Dec 1 2019, 11:51 AM)
ice vehicles use cobalt too. in order to take away sulfur from the oil cracking process, they use, surprise surprise, cobalt

dont blame cobalt for the blame of being anti-EV. cobalt is innocent, its just a metal and an element in earth. its up to companies to use cobalt responsibly.

And most EV manufacturers now are reducing cobalt content in their batteries , and finding new sources.
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until today no car company has advocate that on responsible mining of cobalt in their supply chain nor have thorough process of disposal or recycle used batteries. EV car market is still far.

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They can still sell cars to Malaysia. We will take another 20 years to adapt EV
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post Dec 1 2019, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(Avex @ Dec 1 2019, 12:06 PM)
until today no car company has advocate that on responsible mining of cobalt in their supply chain nor have thorough process of disposal or recycle used batteries. EV car market is still far.
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google

first hit

https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/a...rals-report.pdf

this is why google should be thought in primary school

sigh.
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post Dec 1 2019, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(Raddus @ Dec 1 2019, 11:59 AM)
And as usual malaysia will completely miss this opportunity
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Offer free lands to Elon set up tesla gigafactory hub here
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post Dec 1 2019, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(lagista @ Dec 1 2019, 12:09 PM)
Offer free lands to Elon set up tesla gigafactory hub here
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just reallocate the bloody kereta terbang money to spearhead the EV industry oso cukur delilah already.
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QUOTE(Nachiino Etamay @ Dec 1 2019, 11:51 AM)
ice vehicles use cobalt too. in order to take away sulfur from the oil cracking process, they use, surprise surprise, cobalt

dont blame cobalt for the blame of being anti-EV. cobalt is innocent, its just a metal and an element in earth. its up to companies to use cobalt responsibly.

And most EV manufacturers now are reducing cobalt content in their batteries , and finding new sources.
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Dude in oil cracking, cobalt is used as catalyst, not one of its reagent

Lmao



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post Dec 1 2019, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(Revamperz @ Dec 1 2019, 11:43 AM)
because raw oil as limited source was a pure hoax. it was all lies.

we are not going to ran out of that.
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unless ev car battery offer 1000-2000km range per charge n 10 minutes recharge then oil industry is obsolete totally
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post Dec 1 2019, 12:19 PM

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let say if ev will totally replace the petrol car.

and all the vehicle also eventually change to electrical and oil is phased out.

so what will happen to the oil? keep underground forever? after a super long time what will the oil change into?
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QUOTE(pandah @ Dec 1 2019, 12:19 PM)
let say if ev will totally replace the petrol car.

and all the vehicle also eventually change to electrical and oil is phased out.

so what will happen to the oil? keep underground forever? after a super long time what will the oil change into?
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post Dec 1 2019, 12:25 PM

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“No demand for EV”

translation:

“I can’t make EVs that customers will want”
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post Dec 1 2019, 12:25 PM

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post Dec 1 2019, 12:28 PM

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2 - 3% of total car sales are made up of EV.

Toyota alone sold around 10mil cars a year for 2018, the whole EV industry shipped 5mil.

Btw full EV car is easier to make then traditional fuel powertrain. There are currently close to 500 full EV models with completed prototype. But due to low margin, intensely fierce competition and shortages in batteries supply, most company do not want to go that route for now, unless there is subsidies from Gov such as in China.

Even Dyson can make EV,so do you think its so hard for Toyota to make one ? Its whether is commercially viable to market it.
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post Dec 1 2019, 12:28 PM

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Firstly, solve the issue of charging station. Poor country like Malaysia we stay in condo and park road side, the car isn't going to charge itself.
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post Dec 1 2019, 12:31 PM

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toyota hard to die.

Ford die 10 times also not yet reach toyota.
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post Dec 1 2019, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Dec 1 2019, 12:28 PM)
2 - 3% of total car sales are made up of EV.

Toyota alone sold around 10mil cars a year for 2018, the whole EV industry shipped 5mil.

Btw full EV car is easier to make then traditional fuel powertrain. There are currently close to 500 full EV models with completed prototype. But due to low margin, intensely fierce competition and shortages in batteries supply, most company do not want to go that route for now, unless there is subsidies from Gov such as in China.

Even Dyson can make EV,so do you think its so hard for Toyota to make one ? Its whether is commercially viable to market it.
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dyson ev is dead.

and go look at every single large japanese/US/EU manufacturer history of EV

= golf cart on wheels


Only nissan, tesla, maybe daimler and volkswaggen as well as a handful of chinese companies have a chance.

Every Ev company with a compelling product will sell every car they produce

every ice company will live on thin strings, until a point their next product fails, then its gg.

their asset, machines, and factories: worth garbage because no ev companies want ice factories

their receivables and loans : worth garbage because colloteralised by ice cars

when all your assets are garbage + heavily indebted, effectively every ice company now is running on near zero asset, infinite gearing.

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Toyota die?

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post Dec 1 2019, 12:37 PM

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They got the tech. Just wait for battery development. Once they achieve that, petrol will die sooner or later.
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post Dec 1 2019, 12:39 PM

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EV is relatively easier to make and maintain than ICE cars. The hard part is software actually and this is where Tesla is so far ahead of others.
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Dec 1 2019, 12:28 PM)
2 - 3% of total car sales are made up of EV.

Toyota alone sold around 10mil cars a year for 2018, the whole EV industry shipped 5mil.

Btw full EV car is easier to make then traditional fuel powertrain. There are currently close to 500 full EV models with completed prototype. But due to low margin, intensely fierce competition and shortages in batteries supply, most company do not want to go that route for now, unless there is subsidies from Gov such as in China.

Even Dyson can make EV,so do you think its so hard for Toyota to make one ? Its whether is commercially viable to market it.
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Dyson have cancelled their plans to make EV.

Thing with EV is battery cost. It's coming down but not that much yet. Obviously still got long way to go before a simple short range EV becomes cheap
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Toyota said that demand is slow is not unfounded.

https://www.straitstimes.com/business/china...re-firms-hop-on

486 EV manufacturers in China alone!!!
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QUOTE(un.deux.trois @ Dec 1 2019, 12:39 PM)
EV is relatively easier to make and maintain than ICE cars. The hard part is software actually and this is where Tesla is so far ahead of others.
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Yeah man. Their software at the moment is second to none.
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post Dec 1 2019, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(Nachiino Etamay @ Dec 1 2019, 12:34 PM)
dyson ev is dead.

and go look at every single manufacturer history of EV

= golf cart on wheels
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Are you a Tesla stock holder ? I've seen many of those holding TSLA confusing the company with the industry.

Liked you said, Dyson EV is dead. Why is it dead ? Cause they don't have the tech ? No it's cause the industry no need to 2 Tesla, its too small of a segment for two Tesla to compete and be profitable.

Current market share for EV is too small. You are either upper segment of slick electric vehicle, or large commercial vehicles like buses if you want to be profitable in Electric.

In the middle, it its still dominated by the likes of Toyota, Volkswagen, GM etc. If you are a Tesla stock holder, you should be happy the mid segment would not want to compete with you.

Just image If BMW go full EV, the worse off would be TESLA. Cause BWM is taking a big addressable market and shrink it down to compete head to head with Tesla on a niche market, causing a blood bath between those two to secure sales from a small addressable market.
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Dec 1 2019, 12:50 PM)
Are you a Tesla stock holder ? I've seen many of those holding TSLA confusing the company with the industry.

Liked you said, Dyson EV is dead. Why is it dead ? Cause they don't have the tech ? No it's cause the industry no need to 2 Tesla, its too small of a segment for two Tesla to compete and be profitable.

Current market share for EV is too small. You are either upper segment of slick electric vehicle, or large commercial vehicles like buses if you want to be profitable in Electric.

In the middle, it its still dominated by the likes of Toyota, Volkswagen, GM etc. If you are a Tesla stock holder, you should be happy the mid segment would not want to compete with you.

Just image If BMW go full EV, the worse off would be TESLA. Cause BWM is taking a big addressable market and shrink it down to compete head to head with Tesla on a niche market, causing a blood bath between those two to secure sales from a small addressable market.
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i personally want more people to make EV's.

chinese have lots of companies, but most of them majority of them make less than 1,000

In order to move the needle of transition, we need EVERYONE TO GO EV's. in the best case scenario, if all capital moves away from ice towards EV's, we can have a zero ice environment by the start of 2040.

To me, any manufacturer who doesnt go EV, deserves to be slaughtered. im a big fan of volkswagen and some chinese companies who have the guts to make the transition. it may be the thing that save them.

If not, their clock is already ticking. Every ICE sports car is inferior to the mid range EV's in terms of performance, and whoefully inferior in safety. its basically a bomb on wheels, i fail to understand why we put soo many people lives at risk by putting them on a bomb on wheels.

shit man, we need everyone to build EV's
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can afford battery replacement cost? Audi battery cost 45k, labour another 40k, can afford?
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QUOTE(Nachiino Etamay @ Dec 1 2019, 12:53 PM)
i personally want more people to make EV's.

chinese have lots of companies, but most of them majority of them make less than 1,000

In order to move the needle of transition, we need EVERYONE TO GO EV's. in the best case scenario, if all capital moves away from ice towards EV's, we can have a zero ice environment by the start of 2040.

To me, any manufacturer who doesnt go EV, deserves to be slaughtered. im a big fan of volkswagen and some chinese companies who have the guts to make the transition. it may be the thing that save them.

If not, their clock is already ticking. Every ICE sports car is inferior to the mid range EV's in terms of performance, and whoefully inferior in safety. its basically a bomb on wheels, i fail to understand why we put soo many people lives at risk by putting them on a bomb on wheels.

shit man, we need everyone to build EV's
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Bottle neck is the infrastructure and battery supply chain keeping adoption low. Last time the infrastructure for cars many were build or lobbied using money from oil companies.

For the new EV industry, nobody has the cash like the old oil giants to burn. You can see some oils company are starting to build infra for EVs but not in big scale like last time. Cause EV is not profitable like oil tongue.gif
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Make a 50k EV car in MY. And the charging station maybe in all petrol station.

Confirm got demand.
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TS thinks he knows the market more than billion dollar companies.

They are the market leader for hybrid with Prius. You think they don't know what consumer can afford?
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QUOTE(lagista @ Dec 1 2019, 12:15 PM)
unless ev car battery offer 1000-2000km range per charge n 10 minutes recharge then oil industry is obsolete totally
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loooooong way to go need all in support oso.

MY baru got 20-40km ev , incentive suda kana tarik. sigh.


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QUOTE(Randomization @ Dec 1 2019, 01:09 PM)
Make a 50k EV car in MY. And the charging station maybe in all petrol station.

Confirm got demand.
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here ev consider luxury item. which is totally WTF.
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Instant Torque vs Diesel?

Electric's the future man. Look at the Cybertruck
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thats why... work hard, or drive a toyolta.....
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I call bs, toyota won le mans with their hybrid tech car. Will only spur more sales and r&d
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Nvm they still have taiwan thai indo market.

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