at first say no more, and then u-turn say no hurry, and then say no more

No more arts/science streams for Form Four next year
KUALA LUMPUR: The arts and science streams for Form Four will be scrapped next year.

Deputy Education Minister Teo Nie Ching today said the government would replace it with more relevant subjects, including electives.

She said the arts and science streams would be replaced with STREAM (Science, Technology, Reading, Arts, Music) education.

She said a letter on the changes had been sent out to secondary schools nationwide.

“The letter/circular contains advice to schools across the country on how to encourage, evaluate and explain about the new subjects available from next year.

“This (the abolition of arts and science for Form 4 students) needs to be done according to the capabilities, availability, suitability (facilities/infrastructure), as well as considerations of each school,” she said at the Parliament lobby, today.

Streaming is the practice of sorting students into different “study path/direction” based on their intellectual capability and interest.

The streaming segregation at schools was based on the PT3 results. Students go into the Arts stream, choosing subjects like Accounting, Commerce, Economics, and Arts, or the Science stream, opting for subjects such as Physics, Biology, Chemistry and Additional Mathematics on top of the core subjects taught in schools.

However, earlier this year, Education Minister Dr Maszlee Malik had proposed that a new educational approach had to be adopted by introducing more practical and career relevant subjects, matching students’ talents.

“We want schools to encourage students to choose a path or stream which they are keen on, so that they will excel in that subject.

“In the letter/circular we also explained on how the school can attract and separate its students accordingly without misleading them,” Teo added.

The study paths that Form Four students can choose include engineering, science, maths, living skills, technical studies and a few other options which are still in development stage.

“Students can also pick up to five elective subjects and mix between the subjects in this new system.”

Meanwhile, touching on the growing number of local students seeking education at international schools, Teo said it was up to the parents to decide.

“The decision to send a children to private or international school lies with a child’s parent.

“However, this does not mean that our national education system is less effective or substandard.

“We constantly learn and improve on our study syllabus to make sure the education taught at government schools are on par with the international standards,” she said.
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2019/11/...-four-next-year

This post has been edited by IdiuU: Nov 19 2019, 08:24 AM

Guys.

Its not uturn. Its just roundabout.

calling it stream when there's no streaming
what a confused ministry

STREAM (Science, Technology, Reading, Arts, Music)

so instead of art and science. They further specialize (divide) our students.

Technology, Reading, Music stream future do what? later no job, complain protest pulak.

last time , when student in science stream consider 'smart'

art stream consider 'kaylehfeh'

Ok le tu more option

Compare to last time self and auto assume science stream = pandai

Art stream = for bodoh people

For once, I agree

Music is not Art? Or Art is now for those Business subjects like Accounting, Economics, etc.? (then why don't call it Business? So confusing).

What's Reading? Don't tell me at Form 4 there's student still trying to learn Reading? WTF!

And whats the difference between Science and Technology?

Fuckin hell can I know how much thought was actually put by Maszlee and his people into this?!

Complain je pandai

kesian schoolkids jadi bahan experiment..

Oh so you think its good idea? Why don't you answer my queries there if you think it's brilliant?

Technology can do a lot wei. Jgn bodoh.

Reading...maybe become teacher?

Music - a lot wei. Music engineer, producer, musicians etc. But maybe Malaysia market is stagnant, elsewhere should have better opportunities.

I do actually agree

Why need to differentiate art n science

All kids should learn the same thing to have a chance to discover what they excel in

really WTF, 20+y.o also only know mandarin and can't speak/read english and bahasa, only know how to flash OKU card.

good move. no issue here.. only pundek bising2 here

Double U turns = No U turn... bagus PH...

This post has been edited by shirohamada: Nov 19 2019, 08:56 AM

Science = phychembio
Technology = engineering, it programming
Reading = linguistics
Economy = accounting business
Art = drawing, music, dance
Math = math, calculus, actuarial science

Cmon la ministers I made better segregation than u.

Jangan persoal
Here is prc

This stupid DAP Teo Nie Ching has no brains

All these copy idea only. Others defined as

STREAM (Science, Technology, Religion, Arts and Mathematics)

We should customized like adding Basikal Lajak

social science and gender studies mana?

history also hilang on purpose kekw

I guess they jz wanna come out with the word S.T.R.E.A.M

And alot sohais here is taking words for words. Reading = baca? Lulz. Deswai theres so many uneducated assholes here in msia spreading their stupidity.

Got include Jawi or not?

Another fuck up from education ministry

Mazlee Malik needs to resign and bungee jump into the well without a rope

I am guessing the status quo remains, just a different name... window dressing

Setakat cakap je, masa sekarang ni...

betul betul.. kasihan those who choose art = bodoh.. but now those 'art' ppl many kaya raya d

Exactly! Hence my query on how much thought they actually put in if even the segregation category so imbecilic.

But then some people here seems happy with the mediocrity that we get from our government.

This sounds like we're adopting US style education? Students go to classes they choose, while they'll share some common classes. It'll take time for people to adapt, but it sounds like a better way to go.

after that berebut masuk Matriks...

Its okay guys.

Private school kan ada?

U tak suka u send ur spoil brat to private school la

This is not uturn anymore..

deswai you never become minister. have to be stupid to become 1.

I swear to God that I could prolly run the country's education system better than any of these jokers

why i am not surprised?

lol. PT3 syllabus macam kindergarten level

Waiting to see all the chaos created by this rushed policy

/k/tard 200iq thinking amusing one

reading = baca

KEKW

it is a single stream. so it is still stream.

also, i think it works like college where ppl may go for different classes that they are interested in and yet share the same class for basic subject like bm bi sejarah etc.
im curious how it will be handled and im pretty sure it wasn't "cause more segregation" as claimed by intellectual /k.
the abbreviation of the word STREAM is just to say it is a single stream that consist of all together.

Careful later got plotek mendiskliminasi pendidikan islam hahaha

Just wondering, they did enough study/research already? Later teachers/parents will complaint this and that....

Logistically wise (scheduling of the classes), can the school/teachers/students handle it?

biasa ph style

hari ini announce tomorrow adopt

topkek

Sabar lar, ppl just announce u pancut dah

the one that will bising is asian parents
1. nothing to compare their kids with
2. why my kids study with lower grade students

Tapi bila benda yg announce pun bunyi macam tak pikir panjang kena la bagi pendapat. You think so far they have been doing good job? There is no trust in our current ministers competency anymore right now. Btw, as TS said, this was announced before la.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a good idea in general but then it's not exactly something very cutting edge with other countries already using it. Like following Finland's education system or Japan's before, all just announce with no actual details or plans. Already 1.5 years. Only 3.5 years left. Want to wait until when?

Instead of blaming the students they should improve the teaching abilities of the teachers first

This post has been edited by ruffy_z: Nov 19 2019, 10:00 AM

Last time i was i Perdagangan stream. Really makes no sense. There was only 2 classrooms between 70 people. And we could opt to upgrade to science or downgrade to arts anytime in the 2 years. Only 3 students from the 2 classes opted that. 1 to science and 2 to arts.

All above make it compulsory la.

bodohlah buat music stream.

tak cukup lagikah artis-artis katak-katak sumbang di malaysia?

instead of fixing, NOW, they are going to break broke it.

well, buat STREAM apa pun tak guna kalau budak SPM dikehendaki lulus cemerlang menjawab soalan level STPM....

Division is key to stopping Unity.

This is government tactic to maintain status quo.

well, buat STREAM apa pun tak guna kalau budak SPM dikehendaki lulus cemerlang menjawab soalan level STPM....

now how unker and aunty boast their kids go science stream?

You already considered bodo here for supporting kachats, why need to further embarrass yourself?

this just messed up everything
ph really duwan vote from teacher ka
lain janji lain dapat
cukur je la

Can a student choose subjects not belonging to his stream?

A bright student should be allowed to choose as many subjects as he wants.

u turn or not..make any differance??
dulu clerk or admin need SPM level...
now after Uni graduate kerja admin juga.

so what the differance?
inb4 dan pinjam ptptn bayar balik wei

but why art and music separated??

No need at stream, cos in malaysia art is very niche market, provide very little jobs

Great, all the science labs can be rented out to International schools..

Just in case you guys dont know, almost all uni in Malaysia, including private unis, report a big drop in the number of students doing science, engineering and technology courses.

For some reasons, students nowadays donwan to do these courses anymore. Why not, being a youtuber can easily get some money.

imagine ... getting a bachelor in reading... lol

Kuatkan sistem sekolah vernakular!

"reading law", so perhaps law, social science, international relations, etc.
technology more towards engineering while science is natural sciences (those 4 subjects)

Money

study engineering slog like cow, get low income

then some marketing grad join the company, do sales, get high income

that rage and burn is high

apa kaitan kaya dengan bodo/pandai?

TIADA

ahmad maslan can do better than this ph minister

This is no longer U-turn, it's now a roundabout.

This is easier said than done. Not necessarily bad since US system uses this system where they choose the subjects.

It is VEry IMPORTANT howare they going to implement this system and how our 50-60 years STREAM can adapt to this change. Also how Universities will rank our "SPM" now.

This post has been edited by metaloid: Nov 19 2019, 11:39 AM

but the problem is facility. students move around like college/uni students, depending where their classes will be held. at school how? end up doing streaming. those who take sciences, end up in one class, those who take technology under 1 class, etc.
hmmm

It's a scaling up for how some students take Islamic Studies and those taking Moral studies. Possible, but infra is needed to support multiple smaller classes. Most new schools nowadays are moving to interconnected buildings with central court, so movement should be much smoother. Students will also need locker ala American schools so that they don't have to lug around textbooks to all their classes.

Honestly, these first few years will be tough. Facilities will be the least of the problems. Can imagine the complaints ranging from parents complaining their smart kid are in the same class as slow students to not enough students for unpopular classess.

Study engineering for what. Trash course. Semua kena tapau but low salary.

senang nak bodohkan rakyat.

What cutting edge you want? Step by step la. Relekz, dont pancut so awal, 1.5 years is nothing if u want to implement something in a country with so many different type of schools and so many different races and background. A jawi crap also can stir till like no turn back better take thing slowly but toward to correct direction la.

Adoi comprehend la. I'm not asking for cutting edge solution. I said this is not something new pun since other countries done already. They have already announced this before, now announced again, but the thing announced like not given much thought pun. As I said, if you are happy with the mediocre work done by our ministers now then good for you la. Tunggu la another 2, 3 years for them to implement. As things go now don't think they have much time pun.

Just gip time, keep complaining pon apa guna?
Is not that they are not doing anything or doing anything wrong in this, just move slower je

DEJAVU!!!

education this and that, in the end, all go into foodpanda/grab + ehailing jobs only

Do lah pilot dulu kat sekolah pilihan and see the effect, give advise to school then depends each school, like that most schools also don't know how to do, man power training how, new books new exercise new teaching syllabus semua siapa develop? Ke dah develop?

Give time not an issue if things you announce don't sound dumb.

For example: 'Give us time to rectify Malaysia economy, just wait2 we are going to make perotiga flying car, build jambatan bengkok, let foreigners buy our properties at cheaper prices, bla bla', you think we should just keep quiet?

Wait, I already know your answer, never mind.

Ini cakap edu or other matter?

It's an example. If you can't comprehend, I give another one la senang sikit you nak relate:

Example: 'Give us time to rectify Malaysia education system, just wait2 we going to change to black shoes and socks, we will send student learn swimming in hotel pool, we will have study khat, we will follow Finland system, no Japan, wait no we will have no more streaming, eh will still have, aisey sorry no more streaming, so student at Form 4 will learn Science, Technology, Reading, Arts, Music. What? What different between Arts and Music? Why Reading? Err.. eh...hmm.... just wait2 slow2 ok everything good. Give us 5 years ok, BN got 60, we 5 years only whaaattt.....

Ok I get you.

YouTube in Malaysia easy?
I got a fren recently hookup with this youtuber "ambition"
Keep saying how hard this that, I think he said watch time 4000 hours

Good that u actually get it. Give them more time.... Bn do get their 60 years

Kek. Hope you happy with mediocrity because I don't. We will agree to disagree on that.

Is fine, we human, different view

No... Its keluarpattern

The most worrying part is how readily/mature the student to decide for the course.
Nanti I join art and music class because amoi all there

then when apply Uni baru realize comp science need attend technology course. Regret pulak nanti

This post has been edited by Sone Shin: Nov 19 2019, 02:14 PM

Technology depend what they teach bro.
-> If they teach programming/soldering/PCB design, I am perfectly fine.
-> If they teach how to use powerpoint, excel 2010, sorry bro. I cannot accept.

Music
-> later tons of music grads can't find work blame gov then gov need pour money to create market and job pulak

you should look at sekolah kampung. my previous school still couldn't get a new block (4 level block); i've heard from my brother that previous previous principal had requested it. so every major exams, all non-exam classes have to be relocated - i had to transfer to chemistry/science lab back then.

i AGree to this !

Drifting uturn roundabout PH! Pusing Harapan

I know. Honestly, the freedom to choose your elective is a noble goal. But our schools or more accurately our nation lacks the infra to do it right. And funding is lacking cause our cities/town/villages are rarely planned, but grown organically. I imagine rural schools will end up offering smaller selection of classes then those in cities. But i guess schooling inequality even happens in US of A, so good luck MoE.

talk kok manyak. who removed the computer class from primary school?

i should take music and science, then make music for club, become popular as hell, can be first muslim dj in tomorrowland