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post Dec 26 2019, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 26 2019, 12:53 PM)
banks and other financial institution would be doing their own reporting if the transacted amount goes above the reporting threshold. You do not need to do any reporting to them
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Yes. And if anything suspicious, the authority will instruct bank to freeze your account, or lhdn to knock your door, or immigration department to suspend your passport and so on.

And I must emphasis, the only entity that can sell units to you legally is agent banks. Any other way is in grey area, and may not governed within the law.
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post Dec 26 2019, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Dec 26 2019, 04:05 PM)
that's true, but no way i'm going to transfer 100k to an unknown person at one shot. food for thought.
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But there will be always a lot of willing people to do so.

Otherwise there wouldn't be so much online scam victims in this country.
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post Dec 26 2019, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Dec 26 2019, 10:05 PM)
Speaking of LHDN and the authorities, it's interesting to know suspicious activities always involve the good guys. Transactions for scammers who scammed tens/hundreds of thousands all went through without a glitch (Getting caught later is a different story, but the transactions were successful).
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Because it involved money mule. Victim doesn't transfer money to scammer directly.

Edit: And for ASNB units case, things get complicated if buyer is using huge amount of illegal money to buy seller's units (for whatever reason, procedure of money laundering etc). Authority got the absolute power to do whatever thing to one's bank account, including freeze or even confiscated.

This post has been edited by vanitas: Dec 26 2019, 11:41 PM
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post Dec 27 2019, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Dec 27 2019, 12:50 AM)
Exactly. Cash deposit machines should be banned in malaysia. Dirty money can be used to pay credit card debt when money deposited into machines. Over time the card can be used to buy goods and cash withdrawn from the card. We should all go back to the 1970s to deposit cash at the bank counter and declare the cash is clean and providing the source of money. Otherwise people should be implicated for money laundering.

Not scaring you guys, just saying. tongue.gif
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While I know you are being sarcastic, but for cash deposit machine case, we are intend to heading towards cashless society for this reason. Also for 25k cash limit rule.

As for credit card, I not sure what are you talking about. There is a limit on credit card based on your credit, and bank can suspend your card if you did whatever tricks too much, too frequently. Edit: some may heard cases that someone top up and withdraw with bigpay card too much, too frequent and get suspended.

The thing is when it involved 5 digits or more, one must be very cautious with the transaction.

This post has been edited by vanitas: Dec 27 2019, 08:47 AM
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post Dec 31 2019, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Dec 31 2019, 02:08 PM)
despite putting in so much efforts to buy ASM123, I got bupkis only
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If you really want the table calendar, you can request for it via email afaik.
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post Feb 11 2020, 11:42 PM

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Anything that is repetitive can be automated easily, I don't think using tool/script to automate the process only (not hacking) is a crime at all, unless it is stated.

But selling to gain profit without proper permission (i.e. not authorised agent) could be seen as abusing the transfer feature.
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post Jun 30 2020, 10:41 PM

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One reason that it is harder to fish now is because of those unauthorized sellers. They are buying everyday because they can sell it later with inflated price. Then buy again, sell again.

Lazy buyers are feeding to the fake demand and complaining it is difficult to fish.


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post Jun 30 2020, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(feeho @ Jun 30 2020, 11:15 PM)
If PNB terminate the transfer ,I will keep the units forever as a saving .
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That's obvious, no need to mention that.

QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Jun 30 2020, 11:18 PM)
it is legitimate to transfer units from 1 person to another.
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Transfering for free yes.
But illegitimate to,
1) charge a fee for a no fee fund, as an
2) unauthorised seller.
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post Jun 30 2020, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Jun 30 2020, 11:35 PM)
that i leave it to subjective interpretation.
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Specifically transferring frequently to random people as a method to generate income itself is deemed as a business.

If it is still transferring, then no selling in this world. That's my own interpretation, no need to agree or disagree.
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post Jun 30 2020, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jun 30 2020, 11:37 PM)
Appreciate if u can show proof on that, TQIA.
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- Any financial product would need license to sell, even if it is insurance, or any funds.

- Agent itself need to pass some exams before able to sell them and get commission.

- There is a list of authorised agents in asnb page.

So to sell is illegitimate. But one can argue it is transferring, this subject to personal interpretation.

QUOTE(feeho @ Jun 30 2020, 11:41 PM)
The demand is still there
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If you buy today and keep forever, you will only buy once.
If you buy today, sell today, and repeat for tomorrow, then you will be buying much more times, thus more demand.
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post Jul 1 2020, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(feeho @ Jul 1 2020, 01:15 AM)
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The Fund size biggest like this , because of this few ant transfer to other can make a lot  people can't buy unit their own? My mathematics very bad can you calculate for me how many of the member here who transfer fund to other and the total amount?

Do you think this few ant making the demand? You will never know how large how big the demand on the market. Pls if you really can't buy a unit , I suggest you quit your job and use all your time every minute clicking Asm button I sure you can buy too.
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Fund size isn't the amount of people who try to top up or sell to asnb daily la.

You are doing something wrong, showing statistics doesn't make you right.
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post Jul 1 2020, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(roy_zu @ Jul 1 2020, 08:56 AM)
For ASM3, account remaja max fund limit is 50k?

Got the below error when trying to top up

The account or fund that you selected have reached maximum holding limit (109)
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I think any fund in account remaja also limited to 50k.
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post Jul 1 2020, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jun 30 2020, 09:07 PM)
1st time hearing this. if you can provide proof, please let me know so i can suspend any transaction offers or dicsussions
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I can give example that how buy or sell in this way could be used by scam artists, and innocent people being investigated by police at the end.

Based on the example, you wish to do what or nothing also nvm.
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post Jul 1 2020, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(feeho @ Jul 1 2020, 10:37 AM)
What i mean is the unit trasfer from the member here is just like a ant. the fund size 20 billion and tansfer amount just few ten thousand.
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Fund size got no relation here.
E.g. 100b fund size doesn't mean got people sell 1b daily.
There is limited amount of selling everyday, in your term, like an ant size.
So ant size people buying from ant size selling.
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post Jul 1 2020, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(feeho @ Jul 1 2020, 10:37 AM)
if you thinking this is the wrong way pls make a report to PNB and ban the transfer. Asm fund in markert long long time with the the transfer button Do you think PNB Won't know about this .
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I am more interested on someone exploit the transfer, used it for scamming scheme.

Then I can see another usual online scam scenario driven by greed.
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post Jul 1 2020, 11:43 AM

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It was quite funny that people who abusing the transferring feature to make profits keep defending themselves.

Aiyo, just tell you are greed, this is the way you can think of for income, no one will stop you, even I didn't stop you all doing so.

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post Jul 1 2020, 11:56 AM

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Dear PNB,
Can I using the transfer feature to sell my units to a lot of random people in the internet?

I will be charging them 1% fee on top of that. And no, I won't declare the fee as income, won't be paying tax or register a business for that.

Thank you.
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post Jul 1 2020, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Jul 1 2020, 12:57 PM)
greed itself is subjective actually. just like is asking for salary increment = greed? food for thoughts.
wrong thinking, u should be asking PNB, is it legal to transfer units from one person to another random person? how and what others wanna do is another matter. and of course, those who got scammed, unfortunate for them for not thinking it through.
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So it is legal to transfer money from one person to another random person, how and what doesn't matter for you. Perfect candidate for money mule.
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post Jul 2 2020, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Jul 1 2020, 11:57 PM)
aiya, few hundred bucks 'profit' only. think so free meh taxmen.
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But frequent 5 digits in and out on personal bank account. And who cares about how much profits, freeze first and investigate later.
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post Jul 15 2020, 07:55 PM

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Easiest way is to ban online top up for whoever abuse the online transfer feature.

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